The Incredible Hulk CGI Thread

[DarthPollo]

Just a question as dentist would you say with the hulks mouth spread that large should we be seeing more of the inner mouth? Like the tongue and inside of the cheek etc etc.[/quote]

Well this has to do with the amount of light that is reflecting in the open mouth, and since this is CGI we can't tell the truth, because it can be either way, a ray of light reflecting inside and letting us see more of the tongue etc..or like this....i think if we see a little bit of more tongue (texture and color) and this will add more realism to the shot...also to the teeth they usually have more colors, they are not just plain white...so if they put some yellow closer to the gum...maybe some little cracks, it will look better, but hey, I really haven;t seen this scene in the Big Screen so it might look better than on my laptop

 

[DarthPollo]

WOW! what the crap!!! I didn't mean to post 3 times in a row!...well now 4...hehe

 

[Kirmit]

nothing prosthetics can't solve.

That's very true but not what my post was in response to. In your post you said if Hulk had normal human skin he'd look like any old human, my post was disproving that .

 

[M.O.Steel]

That's very true but not what my post was in response to. In your post you said if Hulk had normal human skin he'd look like any old human, my post was disproving that .

true...but i went on to say a very ugly man. i think it was a miscom, cause waht i meant to say was that he's more human looking than thing, alien, predator. He's on par with hellboy and hyde (LXG), but those two are very disproportioned/deformed also.

 

[Kirmit]

true...but i went on to say a very ugly man. i think it was a miscom, cause waht i meant to say was that he's more human looking than thing, alien, predator. He's on par with hellboy and hyde (LXG), but those two are very disproportioned/deformed also.

Yeah exactly, he's a Humanoid with features very similar to human beings but not a human being himself because of his proportions being so drastic, exactly like Hyde.

I myself would like to see what they could so with a guy in a suit as hulk because I am a disbeliever in it actually working, I'd like to see if it could though.

 

[M.O.Steel]

did you watch LXG with hyde. i think he looked great (for that time. extended that by 10 years, and we might be onto something)

 

[Kirmit]

Yeah, I actually loved Hyde in that, I don't really know why but I just don't see it working for hulk, maybe it's because everytime I imagine a person playing hulk I get the image of Lou Ferringno in my mind lol, which I really would not like for a 21st century Hulk movie.

 

[Mercurius]

I changed the colour of the skin from green to a more flesh type colour...

What do you all think now?

This is way too artificial.

I REALLY don't like this movie's CGI, and I think the critics will badmouth it heavily, and with a reason this time.

 

[Infinity9999x]

That shot of him screaming does look very animated. The one where he's just getting up out of the crater after falling out of the helicopter though, that one looked much better I thought.

 

[HULKFish]

I changed the colour of the skin from green to a more flesh type colour...

What do you all think now?

The colors aren't quite right but yeah, looks great! This is ISARAELI HULK SMASH!!!

Make this face in the mirror and watch how the skin stretches. Also, yeah, it is reminiscent of I AM Legend but it is just the angle I think along with the face is similar in shape. The nostrils are a little weird. I think the texture looks great still and HULK has ALWAYS had big teeth...

 

[Doc Samson]

I've been a hardened Ang Cgi supporter from day one, but after seeing the trailer on the big screen, I have to say that this new Hulk just may not be that bad. I shouldn't even say "bad" because I think the design was a step in the right direction. I think just the nature of it being more "stylized" this time around will make its shortcomings less obvious. Ang went for the ultra realistic "if Eric Bana Hulked out this is what he'd look like" angle, and therefore, any slight issue with the cgi was magnified 1000 times over. For me, watching the new trailer, it isn't as glaring as maybe it should be, because I just don't go into it expecting it to be all that "real" looking in the first place, if that makes sense. Maybe its the way I've been so jaded by weathering the onslaught of negativity from the first film, maybe I'm naive and just want this film to succeed beyond its effects, whatever the reason I, and many in my theatre, were really entertained by the trailer. It got the most reaction out of all the others, including TDK & Indy, so who knows, maybe the general public just wants Hulk smash after all, no matter how it looks...

 

[Weadazoid]

ANGS Hulk looked hyper real..cept for the fact that his head seemed to change in size


sometimes it was HUGE..other times it was tiney.

 

[M.O.Steel]

the thing is...ang lee's hulk was great...but far from perfect. and i expected TIH to exceed 03 by fixing all the mistakes it made, making it as close to perfect as possible. but based on what i've see, and i'm comparing trailers, not the finished movie to an unfinished trailer, it almost looks like a step back. it looks worse.

ofcourse, if it's as good as empire says it is, then it might look different. but based on what i've seen so far...not impressed (with hulk, not the trailer which looks kick-ass)

 

[Godman]

I've been a hardened Ang Cgi supporter from day one, but after seeing the trailer on the big screen, I have to say that this new Hulk just may not be that bad. I shouldn't even say "bad" because I think the design was a step in the right direction. I think just the nature of it being more "stylized" this time around will make its shortcomings less obvious. Ang went for the ultra realistic "if Eric Bana Hulked out this is what he'd look like" angle, and therefore, any slight issue with the cgi was magnified 1000 times over. For me, watching the new trailer, it isn't as glaring as maybe it should be, because I just don't go into it expecting it to be all that "real" looking in the first place, if that makes sense. Maybe its the way I've been so jaded by weathering the onslaught of negativity from the first film, maybe I'm naive and just want this film to succeed beyond its effects, whatever the reason I, and many in my theatre, were really entertained by the trailer. It got the most reaction out of all the others, including TDK & Indy, so who knows, maybe the general public just wants Hulk smash after all, no matter how it looks...

It's because it's officially the first Trailer for Hulk where as the other was a teaser. TDK is on it's second promotional run with trailers and people have already made their minds up on it long time ago. TDK isn't one of those movies that needs super promotion the first movie did that job well. Indy is Indy, you either care if you did before or you don't if you never have.

 

[Godman]

ANGS Hulk looked hyper real..cept for the fact that his head seemed to change in size


sometimes it was HUGE..other times it was tiney.

Which is why Ang's has that step up on it. I could imagine ILM getting a second run and fixing all the issues. Would have been GREAT but alas that is not the case. I do agree with the size issues. That really bugged me in the movie.

 

[Nivek]

nothing prosthetics can't solve.

Jesus... Okay, how would these imaginary prosthetics work on his hands? And his feet. Oh, and how would the skin bend? How would reflexes work? Would he be able to pick stuff up? Would there have to be umbilical cables to run the servos? Are they going to be remote?

If you think full body prosthetic appliances are the way to go, you better come up with some pretty inventive ways to reinvent them to make them plausible, realistic, and most importantly cost effective. Because when top FX people like Baker, Winston, and even mid-teir guys like Steve Johnson admit Hulk works better as full CG, you better bring some mind blowing reinvention to the table to make it work as well.

 

[Doc Samson]

It's because it's officially the first Trailer for Hulk where as the other was a teaser. TDK is on it's second promotional run with trailers and people have already made their minds up on it long time ago. TDK isn't one of those movies that needs super promotion the first movie did that job well. Indy is Indy, you either care if you did before or you don't if you never have.

I hear what your saying, but if the effects were...um...effecting people as much as it is around here, then they wouldn't have cared about the trailer regardless, they would've just been quiet for all of them. I've seen IM 3 times in 3 different places, and each time the reaction to the Hulk trailer is the same, people really seemed excited about it. Its the tone of this film that people will like, the cgi, as long as its serviceable, which it is at the very least, isn't such a concern to the average viewer like it is to us. People loved "I am Legend," (me included) the Hulk can't be any worse than that...

 

[Godman]

I hear what your saying, but if the effects were...um...effecting people as much as it is around here, then they wouldn't have cared about the trailer regardless, they would've just been quiet for all of them. I've seen IM 3 times in 3 different places, and each time the reaction to the Hulk trailer is the same, people really seemed excited about it. Its the tone of this film that people will like, the cgi, as long as its serviceable, which it is at the very least, isn't such a concern to the average viewer like it is to us. People loved "I am Legend," (me included) the Hulk can't be any worse than that...

if you realize though that most things (music and media alike) are accepted by the general public through the aw factor or just something NEW to their faces. Wait to see if ANYTHING the general public get excited about like that ever becomes classic material. Honestly it doesn't happen that way. All my friends who are more into realism and movies like Batman Begins, the Crow, and the X men dramatic aspects were like...oh that looks bad and even females. The average person is easily wowed by effect but that should not allow laziness, cause when people started accepting corny uninspiring music is when the industry started accepting more cheesy rappers and punk rock pop stuff to be released at the lower level of the human mind. batman begins could have gone with that pop cultural crap but no!!! They made a great movie based on realism and the smarter people of cinema. Hulk trailer just looks honestly like they have thrown out ALL the elements from Ang's which some were excellent and just gone with Hulk Smash!!! bagh!

 

[Nivek]

Okay, let me put all this freeze frame from the trailer in perspective for all you "downers". That daytime shot is not what will stick in peoples minds. This shot below is what people will remember. Same model, same texture, same beast, just a different perspective...

 

[Doc Samson]

if you realize though that most things (music and media alike) are accepted by the general public through the aw factor or just something NEW to their faces. Wait to see if ANYTHING the general public get excited about like that ever becomes classic material. Honestly it doesn't happen that way. All my friends who are more into realism and movies like Batman Begins, the Crow, and the X men dramatic aspects were like...oh that looks bad and even females. The average person is easily wowed by effect but that should not allow laziness, cause when people started accepting corny uninspiring music is when the industry started accepting more cheesy rappers and punk rock pop stuff to be released at the lower level of the human mind. batman begins could have gone with that pop cultural crap but no!!! They made a great movie based on realism and the smarter people of cinema. Hulk trailer just looks honestly like they have thrown out ALL the elements from Ang's which some were excellent and just gone with Hulk Smash!!! bagh!

I agree with you to a certain extent, I love Ang's film, but you have to understand the situation we're in right now. To go with another psychological film, as much as I would prefer that, would kill this franchise for the forseeable future. For whatever reason, the same level of depth that BB had and the Crow had aren't what people want from a Hulk movie, they've already proven that. And at the end of the day, this isn't Godfather we're talking about here, its a summer blockbuster that must put people in the seats, or else we ain't gettin' no more Hulk smashin nuthin' for a long time.

Of course this movie will lack the deeper elements of Ang's film, it kinda has to at this point. They're almost forced into making a Hulk smash movie in order to get another chance at the character in a few years. And while the mindless public may lower the level of intelligence in just about ANY product or form of entertainment, these movie studios & music labels are in business, if crap is what the public wants, you can't really blame them for pushing it out there for mass consumption. Batman succeeded AFTER Batman & Robin, they had no choice but to make BB something smarter. Leterrier and Co. are in a similar position, while Ang's movie wasn't B&R by any stretch, it also wasn't what they were expecting, box office-wise. We'll see if change is really good after all in a few weeks....

 

[Godman]

I agree with you to a certain extent, I love Ang's film, but you have to understand the situation we're in right now. To go with another psychological film, as much as I would prefer that, would kill this franchise for the forseeable future. For whatever reason, the same level of depth that BB had and the Crow had aren't what people want from a Hulk movie, they've already proven that. And at the end of the day, this isn't Godfather we're talking about here, its a summer blockbuster that must put people in the seats, or else we ain't gettin' no more Hulk smashin nuthin' for a long time.

Of course this movie will lack the deeper elements of Ang's film, it kinda has to at this point. They're almost forced into making a Hulk smash movie in order to get another chance at the character in a few years. And while the mindless public may lower the level of intelligence in just about ANY product or form of entertainment, these movie studios & music labels are in business, if crap is what the public wants, you can't really blame them for pushing it out there for mass consumption. Batman succeeded AFTER Batman & Robin, they had no choice but to make BB something smarter. Leterrier and Co. are in a similar position, while Ang's movie wasn't B&R by any stretch, it also wasn't what they were expecting, box office-wise. We'll see if change is really good after all in a few weeks....

I agree 100% but I feel people need to demand better out of their products and not be lackluster but people will be dumb and stupid in general forever. it is the order of things.

 

[Doc Samson]

I agree 100% but I feel people need to demand better out of their products and not be lackluster but people will be dumb and stupid in general forever. it is the order of things.

Exactly, your talking to someone who grew up in the era of "real" artists, both musically and in cinema, and nothing is worse than to witness the total destruction of art in all of its forms. it also saddens me that the Hulk must be relegated to a mind numbing experience, but like I said when this whole thing started to unfold, I hope people come out in droves, this is what they demanded, this is what they're gonna get, I hope they love it

 

[FrostBite]

if you realize though that most things (music and media alike) are accepted by the general public through the aw factor or just something NEW to their faces. Wait to see if ANYTHING the general public get excited about like that ever becomes classic material. Honestly it doesn't happen that way. All my friends who are more into realism and movies like Batman Begins, the Crow, and the X men dramatic aspects were like...oh that looks bad and even females. The average person is easily wowed by effect but that should not allow laziness, cause when people started accepting corny uninspiring music is when the industry started accepting more cheesy rappers and punk rock pop stuff to be released at the lower level of the human mind. batman begins could have gone with that pop cultural crap but no!!! They made a great movie based on realism and the smarter people of cinema. Hulk trailer just looks honestly like they have thrown out ALL the elements from Ang's which some were excellent and just gone with Hulk Smash!!! bagh!

What are you babbling on about? Dark and Gritty realism IS the new pop cinema culture.

Show me something flashy that does well now. On the main page for the Speed Racer clip there are 30 grown people complaining that a movie based on... get this... a cartoon... looks like... get this.... a cartoon. Some literally wanted a dark, gritty, realistic, Speed Racer. (Just saying that seems wrong.)

Things like Batman Begins paved the way for a soon to be flood gate of serious movies, just as Lord of the Rings served to open the pop culture flood gate of "Epic" movies.

 

[FrostBite]

I agree with you to a certain extent, I love Ang's film, but you have to understand the situation we're in right now. To go with another psychological film, as much as I would prefer that, would kill this franchise for the forseeable future. For whatever reason, the same level of depth that BB had and the Crow had aren't what people want from a Hulk movie, they've already proven that. And at the end of the day, this isn't Godfather we're talking about here, its a summer blockbuster that must put people in the seats, or else we ain't gettin' no more Hulk smashin nuthin' for a long time.

Of course this movie will lack the deeper elements of Ang's film, it kinda has to at this point. They're almost forced into making a Hulk smash movie in order to get another chance at the character in a few years. And while the mindless public may lower the level of intelligence in just about ANY product or form of entertainment, these movie studios & music labels are in business, if crap is what the public wants, you can't really blame them for pushing it out there for mass consumption. Batman succeeded AFTER Batman & Robin, they had no choice but to make BB something smarter. Leterrier and Co. are in a similar position, while Ang's movie wasn't B&R by any stretch, it also wasn't what they were expecting, box office-wise. We'll see if change is really good after all in a few weeks....

Really from what I have read of the leaked script... it's far from a mindless smash fest. But it also (like you said) doesn't delve as deep as Ang did into the mind of Banner. It still seems like a serious film from what I read, but instead of focusing on the inner workings of Banner and his personality, focuses on his "man on the run" way of life.

 

[Godman]

Exactly, your talking to someone who grew up in the era of "real" artists, both musically and in cinema, and nothing is worse than to witness the total destruction of art in all of its forms. it also saddens me that the Hulk must be relegated to a mind numbing experience, but like I said when this whole thing started to unfold, I hope people come out in droves, this is what they demanded, this is what they're gonna get, I hope they love it

I agree