The Incredible Hulk CGI Thread

[Godman]

just the face looks more real not the body

I agree to an extent but the bad thing with the new model is it's TOO exaggerated. The muscles to the expressions to the texturing to the EVERYTHING! I hate the new overly detailed for unnecessary reasons Hulk. The Ang one was a simple model so to make it better to work on details that matter.

 

[Godman]

this is a decent night shot.

although i agree that the night shots in TIH are better than the day shots in TIH.

Damn it the only beef with him is he had too much beef. Dang he was too big.

 

[Godman]

I disagree. Everyone always posts this picture so I guess it's the money shot, but it's one of my least favorite shots in Ang's.

When Hulk hopped out the container and yelled with all the water splashing off him was AMAZING...Dang that Hulk was a damn good model just not good night lighting and overly explanatory script that dove too deep into the mental aspects overshadowing the physical aspects of Hulk.

 

[Godman]

There is no winner yet, as we haven't seen the finished movie with finished effects. I have seen a couple of scenes from TIH that I thought were better than Ang's, to me this says, if they can get it right in some places then chances are the other parts are being worked on to be at this standard.

You also have to remember that Ang Lee is an Oscar winning director and a damn good visionary. Hulk had many great aspects to the visual aspect of it. from the panels to the action when it did come and also the emotional feel. I guarantee you that the new movie will NOT capture ha;f the magic that is memorable from the 2003 one. I hate the execution of the story and the father character who was absolutely irrelevant, but everything else was done very well. ILM really worked hard on that since it was really the most CGI that had to work on in the movie and didn't have much else to worry bout. Size shifting Hulk was wack too. Instead of growing bigger at least greener or just meaner looking.

 

[Godman]

I thought they only did additional effects in SR? And had no idea about Daredevil.

Why did they go with them? Really if you were in charge of a young company would you like hearing what you have to say? (No offense.)

Chances are, they worked for cheaper (even with a bigger budget than Hulk) as costs went to other things. Either that or Marvel wanted more studios working on the effects for several projects.

You cannot exactly blame Marvel for hiring an Oscar winning studio. It's not like all their resume has is their work like Alvin and the Chipmunks on it.

I personally think their work with animals is amazing. Albeit stylized, therefor I cannot really call it "photo-realistic" then again, if you've seen my posts... I won't call anything in the cinema photo-realistic yet. Not TIH, Not Hulk 03, not Transformers, not Iron Man, not Kong, none of them have really met the "photo-realistic" standard for me.

I don't know, Kong was damn good

 

[Weadazoid]

Which is the Hulk I have always loved. Though it does beat the purpose of him being pure rage.

pure rage releases him...


but essentially he is very child like...a child can go from calm to temper tantrum in .01 seconds.

I have always felt the Angry Green Hulk has the inteligence of a say 2 to 4 year old boy. 4 when he is concentrating 2 when he is enraged.

 

[Godman]

pure rage releases him...


but essentially he is very child like...a child can go from calm to temper tantrum in .01 seconds.

I have always felt the Angry Green Hulk has the inteligence of a say 2 to 4 year old boy. 4 when he is concentrating 2 when he is enraged.

I guess I can agree to that which is what ANG lee captured very well since he is an emotional director. That in Hulk will never be replicated again. The Emotion. Can't do that better than Ang.

 

[Weadazoid]

You mean the one they won an award for? Hmmm, critical acclaim and you say its mediocre. You're entitled to your own opinion. Substantiate it with fact, not heresay. While the Golden Compass failed at the BO, it was visually engaging. Especially all the creatures. Can you generate something with your pc? No. Didn't think so. The Hulk will be fine.

I'f fine with Riddim and Hues. In all honesty photo real and hyper real are not always the way to go.


Some people call me crazy but I actualy prefer the lion in Jumanji to the Lion in Narnia. Its very early CGI...but it was almost as if the people behind that CGI knew they weren't going to get things perfect so they went for Sureal...rather then perfectly real.





Also if we are going to compare hulk to hulk lets compare Hulk out sequences


everything on that Bridge/overpass sequence already to me surpasses what Ang did with the Talbot transformation or the transformation with Daddy at the end.





There is a sense of utter and totla dismay on Nortons face as the gas fills the room., I like Angs Hulk but Banna never looked that terrified....that helpless



and from what I have seen with the hand on the glass....ect ect...

it seems LL has done a far better job of mixing in what worked best in terms of the TV series and the comics

 

[Godman]

Mel Gibson would have been a GREAT director for Hulk. After watching Apocalypto, Braveheart, and The Passion, Gibson deals very well with agression and has proven himself as a top caliber director.

 

[Godman]

I'f fine with Riddim and Hues. In all honesty photo real and hyper real are not always the way to go.


Some people call me crazy but I actualy prefer the lion in Jumanji to the Lion in Narnia. Its very early CGI...but it was almost as if the people behind that CGI knew they weren't going to get things perfect so they went for Sureal...rather then perfectly real.





Also if we are going to compare hulk to hulk lets compare Hulk out sequences


everything on that Bridge/overpass sequence already to me surpasses what Ang did with the Talbot transformation or the transformation with Daddy at the end.





There is a sense of utter and totla dismay on Nortons face as the gas fills the room., I like Angs Hulk but Banna never looked that terrified....that helpless



and from what I have seen with the hand on the glass....ect ect...

it seems LL has done a far better job of mixing in what worked best in terms of the TV series and the comics

Let's not compare LL and Ang Lees directorial style. Ang Lee is far superior and his movie has scenes that are unmatched and will never be matched in another Hulk movie again. The desert entire scene and the San Fran Betty scene will most likely never be topped again.

 

[El Payaso]

Damn it the only beef with him is he had too much beef. Dang he was too big.

Doesn't look too much bigger than in that pic with Tim Roth.

 

[FrostBite]

Let's not compare LL and Ang Lees directorial style. Ang Lee is far superior and his movie has scenes that are unmatched and will never be matched in another Hulk movie again. The desert entire scene and the San Fran Betty scene will most likely never be topped again.

If that was the pinnacle of Hulk looks like I will never get to enjoy Hulk on the big screen.

 

[FrostBite]

nah I agree on other things with you, but Gollum was a great CG character and fit very well into those movies. Gollum just had waaaay better texture than Hulk, but as for animation I'd put them on the same tip.

Not saying he doesn't. But others are acting like it's better than most out today (including Hulk) and I simply cannot agree. In comparison he's simply hideous to me. Although at the time being top-notch.

 

[wobbly]

Doesn't look too much bigger than in that pic with Tim Roth.

The new Hulk is a flat 9ft tall, or thereabouts (no height changes this time round) so Ang's Hulk was about 3ft taller (a 4th as much again) in that Betty night time shot (he was 12ft at that stage) and beefier all round too. By the time of the desert tank fight he was 15ft tall.

Something to remember when looking at Roth next to the Hulk too is that Roth is quite short. A 6 footer would at least be up near the Hulks chest...rather than squarely facing his crotch

 

[FrostBite]

If those aren't creative geniuses of cinema then I don't have a clue what you think creative is.

Well Burton back in the day was a genius imo, but creative geniuses are people who blow my mind time and time again. Which is why Burton would be for you I'd assume.

Del Toro was one you mentioned, and I didn't bold him because he never ceases to amaze me.

I honestly do feel the Wachowski's (despite how much Matrix Revolutions sucked!) are creative geniuses. When the Matrix came out there was nothing like it and it simply blew my mind. Despite it's lackluster reviews (mostly for taking a chance) I felt the same with Speed Racer's style. Albeit cartoony... it was the point.

When I saw Sin City, that was creative genius to me.

Tarantino can be good, at times, but really there isn't much I like... and I'll always have a stigma about him after Kill Bill.

 

[Marvin]

ang lee hulk vs norton hulk?


why is this nortons hulk again?

 

[dark_b]

You mean the one they won an award for? Hmmm, critical acclaim and you say its mediocre. You're entitled to your own opinion. Substantiate it with fact, not heresay. While the Golden Compass failed at the BO, it was visually engaging. Especially all the creatures. Can you generate something with your pc? No. Didn't think so. The Hulk will be fine.

i dont understand this type of thinking.

 

[Sarg92]

Ok...

Let's talk about something new and positive.

What ya think of this "finished" CGI?

 

[The Chris]

That's beautiful

 

[Marvin]

beautiful work indeed

still lacking tho
maybe it works better in motion but
someone at R&H needs to figure out a lighting/rendering system that works, it's just so pastel like at this stage

and i know they can do it, cause every now and then they have powerhouse shots

(the hair needs highlight...even black hair reflects)

 

[Sarg92]

maybe it works better in motion

Go on www.incrediblehulk.com and watch the behind the scenes footage to the very end and you will see the scene in motion.

 

[Marvin]

like your avy,

works better in motion

 

[Kirmit]

Ok...

Let's talk about something new and positive.

What ya think of this "finished" CGI?

The only problem I have with this shot is that basically all the night time or dark shots look level with this whilst the daytime shots are lacking. I'm not fussy over the CGI, I do genuinely think it looks very good but the daytime shots could be better.

 

[Godman]

Well Burton back in the day was a genius imo, but creative geniuses are people who blow my mind time and time again. Which is why Burton would be for you I'd assume.

Del Toro was one you mentioned, and I didn't bold him because he never ceases to amaze me.

I honestly do feel the Wachowski's (despite how much Matrix Revolutions sucked!) are creative geniuses. When the Matrix came out there was nothing like it and it simply blew my mind. Despite it's lackluster reviews (mostly for taking a chance) I felt the same with Speed Racer's style. Albeit cartoony... it was the point.

When I saw Sin City, that was creative genius to me.

Tarantino can be good, at times, but really there isn't much I like... and I'll always have a stigma about him after Kill Bill.

Speedracer is the most visually stunning movie I have ever watched followed by Sin City, 300, The Matrix and Transformers.

**** the critics on Speedracer. I loved that movie and I feel it was amazing for any true artist to appreciate. I can see the average shmoe being dissapointed just like Hulk, but when you too, write and illustrate characters more movies appeal where the average audience misses the point. Speed Racer was like an inerchanging painting for two hours and was a Masterpiece in it's own right.

Ang Lee should have gone more all out on Hulk than play it safe which ended being the downfall. He had comic panels and great visual FX just nothing inspiring about the actuual feel of the movie.

In the future I am going to make an EXTREME Batman movie with the exagerated Sin City style and Speed Racer visuals where we know it's straight out of a comic book and go 100% with that in mind where it feels like a live action comicbook which is what Ang tried but not enough substance to keep us caring.

 

[Godman]

The only problem I have with this shot is that basically all the night time or dark shots look level with this whilst the daytime shots are lacking. I'm not fussy over the CGI, I do genuinely think it looks very good but the daytime shots could be better.

The speed racer HULK trailer had waaay more Hulk footage and my god it was garbage no matter what. The texture or something is just not good at all. We actually see him landing on the ground in this one from the bridge. When he lands there is absolutely no redeeming quality about what we see. For an unfinished CG work they sure don't care about the quality of promotion they do.