The Incredible Hulk CGI Thread

[X Knight]

how 'bout a side-by-side comparison of the 03 Hulk and the 08 Hulk?

could anyone post some comparison shots of the 2 hulks?

 

[Nivek]

I have to say I always find the "taken out of the movie" comment a little curious when it is aimed at CGI.

Seriously, when you guys watch the old Sinbad films, or 'Jason & the Argonauts' or 'Clash of the titans', are you "taken out of the movie" whenever all that jerky stop motion puppetry takes over the screen?

How about Star Wars (original editions) with the obvious masking of the ships against any light backgrounds? The original alien bar scene, That giant eel/sock puppet thing in Empire Strikes back, or the rancour in ROTJ? Admiral Ackbar's oh so obvious head mask? Muppet Yoda?

Then we have Donner's Superman in flight (all the distance shots without wires)...The very obvious use of miniatures in many a film's 'disaster' set pieces...and let's consider the entirely practical 'Jaws' robot too...

I ask this because the audiences back in those days were certainly not "taken out of the movie" by any of these things. Hell, however hokey they are by today's standards, these films still enjoy a good following regardless of their dated FX.

So what has changed that audiences now can be so easily 'taken out of a movie' by what is clearly a superior special effect?

I wrote something a couple months ago about people not being able to suspend their disbelief anymore due to a variety of things, including laziness, better SPFX technology, more education on the process, ect. But more of what I'm seeing is some bizarre competitiveness, personal ego, and ignorance of the SPFX craft becoming part of the equation. It intrigues and confuses me at the same time. Why watch a fantasy film if you kill the fantasy part of viewing the film?

 

[The Shape]

Just watch this. The nighttime scenes are admittedly poor, but everything else is incredible. I've said this since Ang's Hulk was release, but even though the movie was a big ball of lameness, the CGI was amazing. His movements and actions feel so much more real and fluid than the 2008 Hulk. Breaking out of the water tank actually looks real.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=T-Br11Bd34Y&feature=related

 

[Brian Braddock]

I am still a fan of the CGI in 'Hulk' but surely even the staunchest defenders of the 'Hulk' CG have to admit that it is inconsistent.

It ranges from downright 'cartoony' (Hulk's face when he let's off his 1st roar in the corridor after his 1st transformation, and his roar at the Hulk dogs atop the tree) to absolutely stunning (Nolte touching Hulks face, Hulk busting out of the military base, Hulk vs. the army).

I'm willing to bet that some of the people who come on here saying how perfect the ILM Hulk was, where on the Hulk threads in '03 complaining about it.

From reading some opinions on here, you'd think that ILM'S Hulk was the second coming or something; yet I remember the opinion at the time on these boards was a bit more polarized.

 

[The Shape]

I am still a fan of the CGI in 'Hulk' but surely even the staunchest defenders of the 'Hulk' CG have to admit that it is inconsistent.

It ranges from downright 'cartoony' (Hulk's face when he let's off his 1st roar in the corridor after his 1st transformation, and his roar at the Hulk dogs atop the tree) to absolutely stunning (Nolte touching Hulks face, Hulk busting out of the military base, Hulk vs. the army).

I'm willing to bet that some of the people who come on here saying how perfect the ILM Hulk was, where on the Hulk threads in '03 complaining about it.

It definitely is inconsistent. However, it's more consistent than the 2008 version. Part of the problem with the '03 Hulk was his design. His face looked very human and puffy which didn't lend will to his roaring. However, at times, it also helped the Hulk appear more realistic.

Honestly, at the time of its release, I wasn't very impressed with the CGI, but looking back now and comparing it to the recent Hulk, it really was a technological feat and would probably get much more recognition had the movie not sucked so much.

 

[Brian Braddock]

It definitely is inconsistent. However, it's more consistent than the 2008 version. Part of the problem with the '03 Hulk was his design. His face looked very human and puffy which didn't lend will to his roaring. However, at times, it also helped the Hulk appear more realistic.

Honestly, at the time of its release, I wasn't very impressed with the CGI, but looking back now and comparing it to the recent Hulk, it really was a technological feat and would probably get much more recognition had the movie not sucked so much.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree over the consistency of TIH cg, but as far as everything else that you said - i'm totally with you 100%.

I do wonder just how good the ILM's Hulk wouldve looked with R & H's TIH shade of green, vascularity, facial structure and hair.

Imagine if you could combine the best aspect of the 2 effects houses efforts?

Now that would make for the most impressive Hulk ever.

 

[ant3ros]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree over the consistency of TIH cg, but as far as everything else that you said - i'm totally with you 100%.

I do wonder just how good the ILM's Hulk wouldve looked with R & H's TIH shade of green, vascularity, facial structure and hair.

Imagine if you could combine the best aspect of the 2 effects houses efforts?

Now that would make for the most impressive Hulk ever.

Or if R&H had more time, does anyone know the production time of each Hulk movie?

 

[Kirmit]

Or if R&H had more time, does anyone know the production time of each Hulk movie?

I think it was something like R&H had just under a year and ILM had a year and a half.

 

[ant3ros]

I think it was something like R&H had just under a year and ILM had a year and a half.

And, we've seen how much the CGI improved since the teaser which was a pretty short time. I can only imagine how tight the CGI would have been if they had the same time frame as ILM.

 

[The Shape]

And, we've seen how much the CGI improved since the teaser which was a pretty short time. I can only imagine how tight the CGI would have been if they had the same time frame as ILM.

It's not R&H's fault that the filmmakers decided to cop out and spend less time and money on the effects.

 

[Kirmit]

And, we've seen how much the CGI improved since the teaser which was a pretty short time. I can only imagine how tight the CGI would have been if they had the same time frame as ILM.

Not to mention I think (not 100% sure) this was R&H's first attempt at a realistic human-like creature.

 

[ArtTeacher]

Why watch a fantasy film if you kill the fantasy part of viewing the film?

 

[ArtTeacher]

I'd rather see Jessica if you don't mind t:

Well, since this IS the cgi thread....

 

[Scooter]

And, we've seen how much the CGI improved since the teaser which was a pretty short time. I can only imagine how tight the CGI would have been if they had the same time frame as ILM.

Or, better yet, if they were ILM.

 

[Kirmit]

Real Jessica has a fat lip and a black eye, that darn roger must've been slapping her about again.

 

[Kirmit]

Or, better yet, if they were ILM.

Why? None of these smaller companies will ever get an opportunity to make it big if people are always passing them over for the more well known companies.

 

[Scooter]

Why? None of these smaller companies will ever get an opportunity to make it big if people are always passing them over for the more well known companies.

Why would I care about that? I'm not trying to start up a special effects studio.

 

[Kirmit]

Why would I care about that? I'm not trying to start up a special effects studio.

Because ILM and WETA have dominated the cg market too long, it's time to give someone else a turn and we saw R&H can deliver, given more time, they could come up with something spectacular.

 

[Marvel Spider]

Well, since this IS the cgi thread....

That's amazing!!!Where did you get that pic of the CGI version?

 

[Scooter]

Because ILM and WETA have dominated the cg market too long, it's time to give someone else a turn and we saw R&H can deliver, given more time, they could come up with something spectacular.

Too long for what?

 

[ArtTeacher]

That's amazing!!!Where did you get that pic of the CGI version?

http://www.moillusions.com/2008/04/homer-mario-and-jessica-rabbit-in-real.html

That guy is a stud!

 

[Obi-Ron]

Oh my god, that Homer is CRAZY!

 

[brandon_jk]

Because ILM and WETA have dominated the cg market too long, it's time to give someone else a turn and we saw R&H can deliver, given more time, they could come up with something spectacular.

R&H is not a small studio at all.


they are around before WETA and have the same number of employees of ILM( the list of their current projects is bigger then ILM too).

 

[Compi716]

Saw the film for the second time today, and I still think the CGI is damn good. Some of the scenes in the final battle look so freaking real, I even though, "Damn, that looks so freaking real." I had that response only once during the 2003 film...but that was because Hulk was just standing around, and nothing else was happening for me to focus on.

Also, does anybody else LOVE how Hulk's eyes flash gamma-green whenever he gets mad?

 

[jimslimbo]

Personally. I dont understand the attack on the cgi in the new hulk. The first one had some really amazing shots. But most of them were ok. As well as are some in the new one. But i have yet to see a film without some ok cgi shots.But what makes the new films cgi better is the design is better. I watched the old hulk today. And was really distracted by the bright green color. And the enormous head. It just wasn't passible which is why when the older hulk had good shots they were ruined by the faulty design. Thats just my thoughts on why the new one had better cgi. Because it had a more enjoyable design than the first. And had equally good shots as the first and equal ok shots(or mabe even less)than the first. So really its pointless to debate the two. They both were equal to me in realism. Just the new one to me gets more cool points because of the design.