The Johns/Morrison Super Project

[Watchman]

From the DC Nation panel

Morrison and Johns are collaborating on a new project. What could it be?

My theory: The return of the Big 7.

 

[The Batman]

I was thinking and hoping the same exact thing, with jim lee as the artist

 

[WompuM]

Oh good. We'll get one issue a year then.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Oh good. We'll get one issue a year then.

Asides from All-Star Batman and Robin which was late due to Lee taking up too much on his plate, Lee's Batman run came out on time and his Superman run had only one delay.

 

[hippie_hunter]

And I doubt it's a Justice League project. I think Morrison said he's told all the stories he's wanted to tell with the League.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Well, it certainly has been rumored long enough that it's a good probability. I can take or leave Jim Lee on art, I'm pretty impartial to him. Considering how awful the JLA has been since Kelly left, it's due time, too. I'll be disappointed that certain players won't be there, but I can live with it.

 

[Tron Bonne]

And I doubt it's a Justice League project. I think Morrison said he's told all the stories he's wanted to tell with the League.

That may be true, but he not be a full writer on the title, maybe more like a co-plotter or concept developer or something along those lines, letting Johns do the heavy-lifting writing-wise.

 

[IBRAH08]

Oh this would be such good news!!! How i've missed A JLA I could stand let alone love.

 

[Alastor]

Morrison's JLA run is my favorite, hands down. That first story with the Hyperclan was amazing. Especially Batman's role in taking out the white martians.

 

[Sawyer]

I have to know! I have to know!!!

 

[fifthfiend]

And I doubt it's a Justice League project. I think Morrison said he's told all the stories he's wanted to tell with the League.

Morrison says a lot of things that are total lies.

 

[IBRAH08]

Morrison's JLA run is my favorite, hands down. That first story with the Hyperclan was amazing. Especially Batman's role in taking out the white martians.

OH man that and when he replaced Desaad. Two of the most badass moment in Batman history

 

[Cain]

If it is then cool I'll check it cause the only JL anything I read anymore is the excellent Generation Lost which as a big JLI fan just makes me even more giddy. JL proper is meh tastic despite a roster with lots of good potential. Robinson is doing squat with it from the glimpses I take of current issues every time I visit midtown comics.

 

[CConn]

Asides from All-Star Batman and Robin which was late due to Lee taking up too much on his plate, Lee's Batman run came out on time and his Superman run had only one delay.

Considering Lee is a co-publisher, I'd say he still has too much on his plate to be drawing comics.

 

[SpideyInATree]

It's gonna be Aquaman.

 

[yenaled]

On to the Flash, by show of applause Wally West was by far the preferred speedster, outpacing current Flash Barry Allen. "I love the Flash," Johns said, explaining that with this and "Green Lantern" the idea was not to "bring back the real Green Lantern." He didn't want to write another Wally book because he'd already written Wally as the Flash. Instead, Johns said, he wanted to "expand not contract" the Flash universe and do something new.

I laughed.

What I find odd about Johns is he doesn't write any of his own properties, almost every other successful writer writes some DC/Marvel stuff they follow the plan the editors want and weave in fan-favourite stuff for it to sell. Then they go off to Vertigo, Oni, Avatar, Image, Dark Hose, Icon, etc and write their own ideas that either sell or do not sell but based on their popularity with their superhero work usually nets them a good wage.

Johns doesn't do this, he doesn't have this creative release from his DC stuff and I think it's really harmed him. Not only do I find it odd that such a creative mind like Johns doesn't seem to have any ideas outside of DC, I just couldn't imagine being a writer and not wanting to try your hand at you own properties.

Don't want to write the Flash that the public want to read because you've done it before? That's fine, most creators don't want to tread ground they've done. But don't change the product because you are bored of it, go create your own thing for a while.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I can understand it. I'm not saying I'm a creative mind on the level of Johns or anything, but I draw in my spare time and I haven't really had the desire to draw my own stuff since I was in middle school. I just draw established superheroes now. Some people are just content to play with the established toys.

Also, I call bulls*** about not wanting to bring the "real" characters back. Whether that was his intention or not, the fact that DC's jumped onboard and placed Hal and Barry as the main representatives of those franchises in literally everything means that they're viewed (tacitly, perhaps, although I don't see it as all that subtle) as the "real" versions.

 

[Kurosawa]

To the vast majority of people and deep down to most everybody, Hal and Barry are the "real" versions. And I say that as a person who likes the originals best and if there is any "real" version, IMO it's the originals. But as I've said, give it 5 years and instead of a hack like Johns who likes the Silver Age (but gets it wrong), there will be a new hack who loved the 90's and Kyle and Wally (who is a freaking Silver Age character but people forget that) will be back in the spotlight. Unless the GL movie is huge which might help Hal stick around.

As long as they don't kill Jay, Alan, Carter, Ted or Rex I'll be okay. All the other characters I care the most about were killed in Zero Hour or retconned out in COIE, but at least I have the fake Earth-2 that I hope hack Johns and DC doesn't touch again.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't give a s*** about the vast majority of people. You're a pre-Crisis nut, you know what that's like.

Anyway, I was just speaking directly about that quote from Johns. He brought Hal and Barry back, and that's fine. But don't give me that double-talk and pretend like you didn't know they'd be treated as the "real" versions of the characters, to the minimization of all others. "Oh, I didn't intend for" blah blah blah. Intentional or not, everyone knew what the end result would be.

 

[Watchman]

I don't think the vast majority of people think of Hal or Barry:

Me: Ryan Reynolds is Green Lantern.

My Friends: Wait isn't Green Lantern that black dude

Me: Getting into a discussion on Green Lantern that ends with a long awkward explanation on why the Green Lantern weakness was yellow.

Whoever is in the movies I think will solidify who the majority see as the respective hero.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Which means the majority of people are going to think of Hal or Barry, 'cause obviously Johns isn't going to let anyone else be used as GL or the Flash in the movies.

 

[The Question]

To the vast majority of people and deep down to most everybody, Hal and Barry are the "real" versions. And I say that as a person who likes the originals best and if there is any "real" version, IMO it's the originals. But as I've said, give it 5 years and instead of a hack like Johns who likes the Silver Age (but gets it wrong), there will be a new hack who loved the 90's and Kyle and Wally (who is a freaking Silver Age character but people forget that) will be back in the spotlight. Unless the GL movie is huge which might help Hal stick around.

As long as they don't kill Jay, Alan, Carter, Ted or Rex I'll be okay. All the other characters I care the most about were killed in Zero Hour or retconned out in COIE, but at least I have the fake Earth-2 that I hope hack Johns and DC doesn't touch again.

But Hal and Barry aren't the originals. Alan and Jay are.

 

[Tron Bonne]

He's not saying they are, he's saying that Alan and Jay are, they're the "real' versions to him no matter what since they are the originals.

 

[Kurosawa]

Exactly. When I think Flash and Green Lantern, I think Jay Garrick and Alan Scott.

 

[BrianWilly]

The majority of people in real life thought Green Lantern was black before Ryan Reynolds was cast for the movie.

Prove me wrong with actual evidence.