The Last Airbender

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I am a lot less serious than you think. But we all have our hangups, mine is the topic at hand and yours is big assed chicas in tiny thongs in the celebrity thread.

Yeah not much research to be done... outside of some new movie scoops, HR sure does like those thong thongs and booty pics, not that I fault him there... :hehe:

He's a good Mod though...
 
seriously dude???? every time i mention race in a board you're on me like a 13 y/o girl on Justin Bieber. nevermind the REST of my post, you only comment on the one thing that you constantly seem to disagree with me on.

That's because points 1 and 3 were pretty bang on, in my opinion, and hence, I saw no reason to simply say "Yeah, I agree" without adding anything to the discussion.

on top of that, you seem to have missed the point of my observation. the point of the 'racebending' observation was not to point out that any and all movies that utilize white actors in foreign inspired roles will fail ultimately because of said casting. the point was to show how 'racebending' does not help the overall cause. i'm not saying it's a deal breaker, but if Hollywood is to evolve then it must get past casting white actors in roles that are clearly meant to be played by a person of foreign descent. again please understand that i'm not saying that 'racebending' causes movies to fail. i'm just saying that it damages the grand idea of the film.

You say that, yet your argument was focused on how casting characters of one ethnicity to play another hinders the overall vision of a film and as a result, the movie suffers in terms of an audience liking it. Coming back to your argument, I would first of all beg to differ. TLA has stayed within the top 3 ever since it was released a week ago. If the audience at large didn't like it, it wouldn't be able to maintain this; especially given its small in-built audience (nowhere as large as Twilight's or Toy Story's).

As for your comparison with LotR, there is a difference. It has been previously stated by Tolkien himself that he had intended Middle Earth to become an English mythology (due to his disappointment of a lack of original English mythology). Hence, the English-ness of its characters is an important factor. Airbender, on the other hand, while inspired by Asian cultures, is not about the characters' races but about a good story/adventure.

Overall, my stance on the race issue is that it is a non-issue. I do not find the practice of race-lifting problematic the same way I do not find the changes in plot significance/events in LotR since it isn't Tolkien's LotR but Peter Jackson's. Its keeping the LotR name is not a problem since it remains recognisable and true to the spirit of the original. The same can be said in this case.
 
That's because points 1 and 3 were pretty bang on, in my opinion, and hence, I saw no reason to simply say "Yeah, I agree" without adding anything to the discussion.



You say that, yet your argument was focused on how casting characters of one ethnicity to play another hinders the overall vision of a film and as a result, the movie suffers in terms of an audience liking it. Coming back to your argument, I would first of all beg to differ. TLA has stayed within the top 3 ever since it was released a week ago. If the audience at large didn't like it, it wouldn't be able to maintain this; especially given its small in-built audience (nowhere as large as Twilight's or Toy Story's).

As for your comparison with LotR, there is a difference. It has been previously stated by Tolkien himself that he had intended Middle Earth to become an English mythology (due to his disappointment of a lack of original English mythology). Hence, the English-ness of its characters is an important factor. Airbender, on the other hand, while inspired by Asian cultures, is not about the characters' races but about a good story/adventure.

Overall, my stance on the race issue is that it is a non-issue. I do not find the practice of race-lifting problematic the same way I do not find the changes in plot significance/events in LotR since it isn't Tolkien's LotR but Peter Jackson's. Its keeping the LotR name is not a problem since it remains recognisable and true to the spirit of the original. The same can be said in this case.

It hasn't been released long enough to experience a drop. Wait until the weekend is over and then we will see if the film's audience drops.

And I agree that most people don't find it a problem with the movie since there are bigger and worse problems with it.
 
Ok so I was on youtube this morning and watch the teaser and all the trailes in Order and it really put me in depression mode about thsis movie... how did somthing that looked so EPIC/AWESOME/INCREDIBLE not be that? How did Night **** this up.... I'm Mind Boggled by this.... if anyone has a chance do the same as I did and it relly puts you in a mind ****... I seriously cannot figure out how he ****ed this up with the trailers looking sooo damn good.


What the hell happened :csad:


And on top of that I have the score from the teaser trailer STUCK in my head and its really getting to me :csad:
 
In the July edition of Famous magazine I picked up from HMV, M.Night confirms he doesn't have a cameo in The Last Airbender: "I look at this story as a three-part story... there's thousands of characters. I kind of have my eye on a tiny little part coming up but you won't see me in the first one".
 
That's because points 1 and 3 were pretty bang on, in my opinion, and hence, I saw no reason to simply say "Yeah, I agree" without adding anything to the discussion.
it's not necessary, but neither is anything on these boards anyway. acknowledging the rest of my post would at least show that you're not arguing with me about race just to argue with me about race.

You say that, yet your argument was focused on how casting characters of one ethnicity to play another hinders the overall vision of a film and as a result, the movie suffers in terms of an audience liking it. Coming back to your argument, I would first of all beg to differ. TLA has stayed within the top 3 ever since it was released a week ago. If the audience at large didn't like it, it wouldn't be able to maintain this; especially given its small in-built audience (nowhere as large as Twilight's or Toy Story's).
'racebending' can hurt the overall vision without causing a movie to fail. again, i'm not saying that it's as bad as gambling on an unqualified director or exploiting 3D, but it's still a problem that Hollywood frequently faces and has not learned from. as for TLA's "success" or "failure", as Parker Wayne stated...it hasn't been out long enough to determine which one of the two it will be.

As for your comparison with LotR, there is a difference. It has been previously stated by Tolkien himself that he had intended Middle Earth to become an English mythology (due to his disappointment of a lack of original English mythology). Hence, the English-ness of its characters is an important factor. Airbender, on the other hand, while inspired by Asian cultures, is not about the characters' races but about a good story/adventure.
and Lord of the Rings wasn't? i certainly agree with your points here, but my argument still stands regardless of the differences between the properties. yes, LotR was meant to be modern English mythos so therefor they cast white actors to play those roles...it's only obvious they would do that, so i don't understand why it's so argued AGAINST when some of us would like to see Asians (or racially ambiguous actors) play roles heavily inspired by Asian culture. 'Last Airbender' ain't too bad, because as you said, it's INSPIRED by Asian culture...but then you get a property like 'Dragon Ball' which is MORE than inspired by Asian culture, it practically IS Asian culture. DBZ is a different story, but in the original DB you have a story that mirrors the story of the Monkey King, which is Asian mythology. so while DB or Last Airbender's races aren't emphasized as much as LotR's are...there are traces of Asian culture laced throughout those properties. so tell me, why, in this day and age, is it SOOOO taboo for an Asian to play a character that is inspired by Asian culture???

Overall, my stance on the race issue is that it is a non-issue.
that's nice, but your stance is negated by the fact that many fans (and non-fans) still feel that race is an issue when casting foreign-inspired roles. YOU may think that it's a non-issue, but the fact that we're talking about this makes it an issue. if it were a non-issue then we wouldn't be talking about it.

btw, once again......just to try to get it through you thick skull.......I DON'T BELIEVE THAT 'RACEBENDING' IS A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TO A FILMS FAILURE/SUCCESS!!! however, it's a mistake that Hollywood keeps making again, and again, and again, and again.....so i will continue to voice my opinion that it's a mistake until they recognize and take actions to remedy the issue.
 
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it's not necessary, but neither is anything on these boards anyway. acknowledging the rest of my post would at least show that you're not arguing with me about race just to argue with me about race.

Fair enough. I'll try to keep that in mind next time I reply to your posts; bearing in mind I tend to see who I'm responding to but what is being said.

'racebending' can hurt the overall vision without causing a movie to fail. again, i'm not saying that it's as bad as gambling on an unqualified director or exploiting 3D, but it's still a problem that Hollywood frequently faces and has not learned from. as for TLA's "success" or "failure", as Parker Wayne stated...it hasn't been out long enough to determine which one of the two it will be.

You're welcome to that opinion. I like to believe most people are more flexible than that, especially in a fantasy world, and would be able to accept/adapt within the first few minutes of the movie.


and Lord of the Rings wasn't? i certainly agree with your points here, but my argument still stands regardless of the differences between the properties. yes, LotR was meant to be modern English mythos so therefor they cast white actors to play those roles...it's only obvious they would do that, so i don't understand why it's so argued AGAINST when some of us would like to see Asians (or racially ambiguous actors) play roles heavily inspired by Asian culture. 'Last Airbender' ain't too bad, because as you said, it's INSPIRED by Asian culture...but then you get a property like 'Dragon Ball' which is MORE than inspired by Asian culture, it practically IS Asian culture. DBZ is a different story, but in the original DB you have a story that mirrors the story of the Monkey King, which is Asian mythology. so while DB or Last Airbender's races aren't emphasized as much as LotR's are...there are traces of Asian culture laced throughout those properties. so tell me, why, in this day and age, is it SOOOO taboo for an Asian to play a character that is inspired by Asian culture???

It's not so much a taboo for Asians to play Asians. I'm saying that it's not taboo for actors to be chosen based on other criteria, with race put in the backburner, for characters set in a completely made-up world with made-up cultures.

As for the difference between LotR and TLA, the former is about European-based folk who happen to be on a quest where as the latter is about a group of adventurers in a Asian-esque setting. LotR's setting was created first with the story then set in it where as TLA's story was crafted and then the setting developed around it. As for DBE, it should be worth mentioning that if you want to strictly adhere to the sources of inspiration, Goku should be a humanoid monkey rather than a character of a specific race. Moreover, DB's Goku is a fusion of the Monkey King and Superman.

that's nice, but your stance is negated by the fact that many fans (and non-fans) still feel that race is an issue when casting foreign-inspired roles. YOU may think that it's a non-issue, but the fact that we're talking about this makes it an issue. if it were a non-issue then we wouldn't be talking about it.

It's negated the same way every topic has haters. The internet is set up to allow everyone a chance to speak their opinion; and so all opinions, no matter how small in the minority, can be seen/heard. Especially, if you ascribe to the concept of the 'silent majority'; i.e. people who are content with the current situation and hence, don't feel the need to voice their support since they're not calling for any change.

btw, once again......just to try to get it through you thick skull.......I DON'T BELIEVE THAT 'RACEBENDING' IS A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TO A FILMS FAILURE/SUCCESS!!! however, it's a mistake that Hollywood keeps making again, and again, and again, and again.....so i will continue to voice my opinion that it's a mistake until they recognize and take actions to remedy the issue.

There's no need for the insults. This is not the first time today. I feel I've been pretty civil in our discussions so far. No need to sully yourself with them.
 
Yeah not much research to be done... outside of some new movie scoops, HR sure does like those thong thongs and booty pics, not that I fault him there... :hehe:

He's a good Mod though...

OMG!:doh: I entered this thread after a well rested nap, and now I realize that I was talking to Hunter Rider all that time. I honestly thought I was conversing with Kel. Lmao at my fail.
 
Fair enough.

You're welcome to that opinion.

It's not so much a taboo for Asians to play Asians.

As for the difference between LotR and TLA,

It's negated the same way every topic has haters.

There's no need for the insults.
apologies if you consider that an insult, but we've pretty much been arguing in circles about this topic forever and a day so excuse me if i seem irritated. i felt like you were trying to make my opinion more than it actually is so i had to say something to grab your attention.

anyway, again...i feel, between the 2 of us, that we've debated this topic to death and we're running around in circles (me referencing the Monkey King and you saying that he's not even human) and we'll just be regurgitating the same points in different angles. so lemme just say that i believe that if you want the most authenticity possible then you should goto the source. that's what made Batman Begins, Casino Royale, and Star Trek so successful....they stripped all the bullcrap that came along with their legacies and updated the respective properties using it's foundation. i feel the same should be done for all adaptations, and i feel that casting actors who reflect the cultures that inspire the characters they're playing is a great way to honor the source material.......but that's just me.
 
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Omgosh! Get over the frelling racebending already! How about next time we just cast people who can act, and work from there.
 
i'll get it over it when there's no more racebending....how about that? btw, i don't think it's the actors that were a problem with this movie. like George Lucas, MKS just doesn't know how to direct actors.
 
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As for the difference between LotR and TLA, the former is about European-based folk who happen to be on a quest where as the latter is about a group of adventurers in a Asian-esque setting. LotR's setting was created first with the story then set in it where as TLA's story was crafted and then the setting developed around it.
Not trying to get in on any side of the argument here, you both have points, but I think this quoted section makes no sense.

LoTR characters are European based folk, yes. But TLA are even more so based, on Asian cultures. Aang is strongly ingrained in Tibetan-like beliefs. The Fire Nation deeply evokes the Meiji Restoration and its characters both reflect this age and elements of Imperial Japan during the Manchuria invasion period up until 1945. Katara and Sokka are not simply ambiguous characters in an Asian-esque Inuit/Eskimo setting just like Aragorn etcetera are not just in a Medieval Europe-esque setting. I could go on, but one cannot invalidate made up cultures given how heavily they are inspired by real ones, just as a similar justification could not be made with having a cast of african-americans in a LoTR film because they use "made up" cultures that are only inspired by real European ones.
 
wishes there was a "****" smiley/emoticon

because the bulk of you need to S T F U
Thankyou so much for joining the debate, I'm very glad someone of such clarity and eloquence could make the time to post here and show us amateurs how to articulately and cohesively construct a proper argument. We could all learn a valuable lesson from your frankly inspired example, and instead take the steps to write a much more cleverly (and quite wittingly I might also add) insight as you have done here.
 
no it's just pointless debating over something trivial

and I see what you did there, using all of that "intellictual" wording

still doesn't help your case none
 
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Race bending.
 
Looks like this movie isnt turning out very well....

Not well at all...
 
Not trying to get in on any side of the argument here, you both have points, but I think this quoted section makes no sense.
i understand you're not trying to take sides, but never-the-less i appreciate your understanding of the comparisons/contrasts between the different properties.

no it's just pointless debating over something trivial
most debates on these boards are pointless seeing as how the majority of them will not change how things are done in Hollywood. as far as it being trivial....well that's certainly an opinion and i'm glad it's not a fact. race in Hollywood has always been an issue and will continue to be until they give Asians and Hispanics the same kind of respect that Blacks fought so hard to earn. just because many people are intolerant of this view does not make it trivial.

btw...if you can't stand the heat, get the hell out the kitchen. all telling people to "****" does is make you look like an internet tough guy.
 
well that wasn't my intentions first off, and secondly, if you can see, I realised what I said was wrong and went back and edited nearly several hours ago. However, all the "racebending" debating is still pointless and annoying though, but you're right. The logical thing to do is to stay out of the thread until you guys get it all out of your systems
 
You know something that has never been adressed before?

Firebenders could bender Fire but also and become Masters and reach a New Level

Fire<Lighting

Earth <Metal/Meteor

Water<Blood

So what do the Airbenders do that's equivalent?
 
So I was at Target the other night and I thought I'd pick up a TLA toy for my nephew, who just started watching the series. I hoped something would be on sale.

Lo and behold, a bunch of TLA toys were ON CLEARANCE, including Aang's Staff and the immobile Appa figure. That's right, Clearance. They must have only gotten these toys like 2 weeks ago and both the things I got cost $3.75. Initially, both were over 10. Unbelievable.
 
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