The Last of Us The Last Of Us 2

[Havok83]

How so? Because once Joel passed out. Ellie was sent to operation table quickly, and Joel had to massacre a bunch of people. The infected weren't even in the last section of the game.

About 2 hours from that, Joel just recovered and Ellie had her solo moment.

The Infected were not needed in the final section. You play it in a hospital in a quarantine zone. It wouldnt make sense to have infected there

By Ellie's solo moment, you mean the epilogue at the at the end of the game? It was an epilogue. The story was over and there was no where else to go once you are at that point. That helped setup the second game though it may not have been apparent in the moment

 

[psylockolussus]

The Infected were not needed in the final section. You play it in a hospital in a quarantine zone. It wouldnt make sense to have infected there

By Ellie's solo moment, you mean the epilogue at the at the end of the game? It was an epilogue. The story was over and there was no where else to go once you are at that point. That helped setup the second game though it may not have been apparent in the moment

Ellie trying to escape from the man who was gonna cook her wasn't an epilogue.

 

[Drizzle]

Re: The Last of Us 1's ending feeling abrupt...

I don't think it's rushed but the first time I played it overall I felt like it could have been a little longer, which is why on every replay since, I've incorporated the Left Behind DLC in between the fall and winter chapters. It makes for a more "complete" experience.

 

[Zantera]

Why was Abby justified?

I guess it depends on your view if revenge is ever justified but I guess a better way of putting it is Joel (as much as we like him) is not a good guy and he wronged a lot of people, and ultimately his fate was something he had coming.

 

[Havok83]

Ellie trying to escape from the man who was gonna cook her wasn't an epilogue.

well you should have specified that bc we were talking about the end of the game and you control her again at the very end of that epilogue. I guess I still dont understand your point if you are referring to the Lakeside chapters. That wasnt the end of the game and there was more to do in the story to wrap it up, which they did in the following chapters and epilogue

 

[psylockolussus]

well you should have specified that bc we were talking about the end of the game and you control her again at the very end of that epilogue. I guess I still dont understand your point if you are referring to the Lakeside chapters. That wasnt the end of the game and there was more to do in the story to wrap it up, which they did in the following chapters and epilogue

What prologue are you talking about? I clearly said two hours before the last segment. What else in the game from those 2 hours that happened other than Ellie finding medicine and surviving from those to want to cook her? That was clearly that Ellie moment I was referring to.

The Last of Us Post in thread 'The Last Of Us 2'

May 9, 2025

How so? It was on average 15-18 hours which was long for ND and it told a complete story from beginning to end of Joel and Ellie's journey. There's nowhere else for that story to go after it ended. It was completed and to add anything else would be to artificially pad it to make it unnecessarily longer


Did you never finish the game before?

How so? Because once Joel passed out. Ellie was sent to operation table quickly, and Joel had to massacre a bunch of people. The infected weren't even in the last section of the game.

About 2 hours from that, Joel just recovered and Ellie had...

• psylockolussus

 

[Zantera]

Rolled credits on this now, wow 10/10 masterpiece, better than the original which is saying something.

I've heard one complaint about this game being length and while I had moments of thinking "wow it just keeps going", I would say it didn't bother me because the game kept throwing so many memorable and different sections at you. The early stuff with Ellie was a little bit repetition from the first game but that's fine, we're getting back on the saddle and it's cool to reintroduce the player to the core mechanics and enemies. I think combat and enemy variety is a huge step up from the first game honestly. You still have the infected who are in ways the most predictable but also can be the deadliest enemy but I found the difference in fighting them, the WLF soldiers or the seraphites to be very refreshing. Heck even the rattlers towards the end had some different mechanics to them.

I come out of this experience with a huge appreciation for Abby and honestly the greatest compliment I could give them is that what started off as a "this woman must die" revenge plot ended with me not wanting to push the QTE because I did not want Ellie to stab her in the brain. There's definitely a lot of similarities between Ellie and Abby and throughout the game it felt like they were on a similar journey though Abby was getting more likeable and Ellie less so. And without sounding too cheesy about it I felt the ending was quite profound and I just sat in my chair contemplating everything for like 10 minutes before turning the game off. I'm really curious how the tv-show will tackle the ending because for me it's a perfect ending but it's incredibly sad and there's like no satisfaction to be gained for viewers. Both Ellie and Abby suffer a lot.

The first game was a classic but I feel this one improves on it in pretty much every aspect. I did enjoy the story more, I did enjoy the shift in main character and having this revenge story with the backdrop of the WLF/Seraphite war really pulled me in. I'll definitely remember some sections very clearly like the TV tower, the hospital (strong RE/Silent Hill vibes), Abby and Lev climbing the skyscraper and crossing the bridge, Seraphite island, the whole California section. And the gut punch of an ending.

 

[Havok83]

What prologue are you talking about? I clearly said two hours before the last segment. What else in the game from those 2 hours that happened other than Ellie finding medicine and surviving from those to want to cook her? That was clearly that Ellie moment I was referring to.

The Last of Us Post in thread 'The Last Of Us 2'

May 9, 2025

How so? It was on average 15-18 hours which was long for ND and it told a complete story from beginning to end of Joel and Ellie's journey. There's nowhere else for that story to go after it ended. It was completed and to add anything else would be to artificially pad it to make it unnecessarily longer


Did you never finish the game before?

How so? Because once Joel passed out. Ellie was sent to operation table quickly, and Joel had to massacre a bunch of people. The infected weren't even in the last section of the game.

About 2 hours from that, Joel just recovered and Ellie had...

• psylockolussus

Epilogue, not prologue, which was the final segment where you play as Ellie when Joel lies to her. And no you did not clearly say 2 hours before in your original post which is why I asked you for clarity

 

[psylockolussus]

Epilogue, not prologue, which was the final segment where you play as Ellie when Joel lies to her. And no you did not clearly say 2 hours before in your original post which is why I asked you for clarity

Joel was there right? Not a solo Ellie segment.

I literally reposted my post for you.

 

[Havok83]

Joel was there right? Not a solo Ellie segment.

I literally reposted my post for you.

ok whatever. You already clarified yourself. I got it then

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I guess it depends on your view if revenge is ever justified but I guess a better way of putting it is Joel (as much as we like him) is not a good guy and he wronged a lot of people, and ultimately his fate was something he had coming.

Who did Joel wrong? Not Abby. Who's father was going to murder an unconscious child for a cure he didn't even know he could make. All violence we see from Joel is matter of fact or a response. He certainly never did what Abby and her friends did. Not even to save Ellie, who was being held hostage.

The story explicitly states revenge has no purpose. It just leaves you empty. Literally. Why Ellie lost her last connection to Joel while seeking it.

 

[Drizzle]

EDIT: Meant to post this in the show thread.

 

[Zantera]

Who did Joel wrong? Not Abby. Who's father was going to murder an unconscious child for a cure he didn't even know he could make. All violence we see from Joel is matter of fact or a response. He certainly never did what Abby and her friends did. Not even to save Ellie, who was being held hostage.

The story explicitly states revenge has no purpose. It just leaves you empty. Literally. Why Ellie lost her last connection to Joel while seeking it.

I always find it interesting how different of a view some people have of the ending of the first game. The way I see it, Ellie expresses many times along the journey that there needs to be a bigger purpose of their trip and it can't all be for nothing. They get there and we realize for a cure to be made she would have to die. I think in any post apocalyptic scenario the chance of creating a cure would always be the highest priority compared to anything else. But also Joel hides what he did and lies to Ellie because he knows she would have a big problem with it and that point is definitely reinforced in TLOU2 when Ellie tells Joel that he should have let her die in the hospital because her life would have had a purpose. In that sense Joel killing a whole camp of people to 'save' Ellie comes from his own egotistical reasons of not being able to part ways with her, rather than being a good guy who has to save someone in danger. Even if they give Ellie the option to choose, we know she would have made that choice. You can say it's wrong of them not to give her that option but again, the even slight possibility of developing a cure would be so much more important than anything else at that point.

What made TLOU2 so powerful for me was how nuanced it made its characters. I loved Joel as a character and his death really hit me, but he's not a good guy. Ellie and Abby have a lot of similarities on a surface level as well but it's interesting how their journeys in the game are almost opposites. Ellie puts the lives of other people she cares about at risk in her pursuit of revenge and she does some really twisted things along the way. Abby by comparison puts her own life at risk trying to help others when she doesn't really need to. By the end you don't just realize revenge is bad and has no satisfaction to be gained but you realize all these characters are morally grey and they have their good and bad sides.