The Matrix Resurrections

I'll believe the 5th one when I see it. Proclaiming a sequel after opening weekend is what the studios like to do to show success. It's 50/50 if it actually ever happens or drifts away.

I'm sure a reboot will eventually happen in a couple of years. Just without a Wachowskis at the helm.
 
Just finished my 3rd viewing. I feel like I'm doing something wrong, but I really am enjoying this movie more and more. I'd gladly welcome a 5th movie in some form, I just hope it's a story worth telling. People claim Resurrections didn't NEED to happen, but clearly Lana had something she wanted to say with this movie. Whether people like it or not.
 
This movie left such a bad taste in my mouth I don’t think I can bring myself to rewatch it. Despite its ambitions, it, ironically, feels like a small film both from a storytelling and budgetary perspective. They should have done more wide angle shots and things in the “real world” shouldn’t have looked so polished. But the worst part was Neil Patrick Harris…
 
This movie left such a bad taste in my mouth I don’t think I can bring myself to rewatch it. Despite its ambitions, it, ironically, feels like a small film both from a storytelling and budgetary perspective. They should have done more wide angle shots and things in the “real world” shouldn’t have looked so polished. But the worst part was Neil Patrick Harris…
Ironically, this is one of the things that I felt made it feel unique.

Also, I see some complaints that the movie is too fan servicey times. Um, where? It almost pokes fun at it.
 
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I think it looks and feels cheap. Like an awkward pre-awards MTV sketch.
 
Just finished my 3rd viewing. I feel like I'm doing something wrong, but I really am enjoying this movie more and more. I'd gladly welcome a 5th movie in some form, I just hope it's a story worth telling. People claim Resurrections didn't NEED to happen, but clearly Lana had something she wanted to say with this movie. Whether people like it or not.

I’m glad you like it :yay:
 
Ironically, this is one of the things that I felt made it feel unique.

Also, I see some complaints that the movie is too fan servicey times. Um, where? It almost pokes fun at it.

You can't go smaller on a Matrix film - especially after the ground-breaking scale and action of Reloaded/Revolutions. They've already set expectations - anything smaller than that is a set up for a disappointment. You don't go to the cinema to see a Matrix film that feels like a CW TV show. You go in for the stunning visuals and spectacle.

If anything, they should've tried to at least match the action from the previous films, considering it's been 18 years and technology is even more advanced now. There is no excuse for a wonky shaky-cam, badly edited hand-to-hand fights and not a single standout sequence.

Not in a Matrix film, at least.
 
You can't go smaller on a Matrix film - especially after the ground-breaking scale and action of Reloaded/Revolutions. They've already set expectations - anything smaller than that is a set up for a disappointment. You don't go to the cinema to see a Matrix film that feels like a CW TV show. You go in for the stunning visuals and spectacle.

If anything, they should've tried to at least match the action from the previous films, considering it's been 18 years and technology is even more advanced now. There is no excuse for a wonky shaky-cam, badly edited hand-to-hand fights and not a single standout sequence.

Not in a Matrix film, at least.
That's fair, and that is where the divisiveness is warranted. People will either hate it or love it depending how you feel about what to expect from a Matrix movie. I totally get why people would hate it for not being on the scale of the first 3, or for the lackluster action, which I totally admit isn't anywhere near as good as the first 3. Lana clearly felt that those things aren't as important as the story she was trying to tell, and I respect what she what she was trying to do with it. Clearly the movie isn't for everybody, but I appreciate it for what it is. I'm sure she knew this wasn't gonna be a loved movie by half the audience.
 
I completely get why this movie has frustrated, angered, and bored Matrix fans. I've enjoyed it more over time, having watched it about 3 times, but some key ingredients from the past films is really missing. It's fine if you love everything about it, but I hate seeing "You're not a fan if you don't love this" type of comments in some Matrix groups I'm in lol.

BTW for people who have watched the movie (when can we stop using spoiler tags BTW?) Where did
Agent Smith go at the end of the film? He just straight up gets his powers back and disappears lol
 
This movie left such a bad taste in my mouth I don’t think I can bring myself to rewatch it. Despite its ambitions, it, ironically, feels like a small film both from a storytelling and budgetary perspective. They should have done more wide angle shots and things in the “real world” shouldn’t have looked so polished. But the worst part was Neil Patrick Harris…
I agree with this. The first Matrix wasn’t grand scale but it felt big. This had a the coffee shop and Io and that was it. And I usually like NPH but his performance was totally different tonally from everyone else.
 
The problem wasn't with the smaller scale in principle, if there's a problem with it, it's more in the execution. But as far as that goes, it was well done. At the end of the day, it was about reuniting Neo and Trinity. If you don't like that, fine, but a) their story has always been the core of the films, so this is just a continuation of that, and b) it's unfair to criticize a movie based on its scale in principle or how many sets it had, especially comparing it to its other movies. The Matrix has always trafficking in specific ideas first where what happened in the story stemmed from that, however the scale was. The scale of the trilogy seemed more a means to an end to tell this story of belief and faith and love and hope.

I guess they could have gone with something larger scaled in theory, but after the war with the machines, where would you go? Most importantly, it just felt like a story Lana wanted to tell than out of obligation or any sense of what "The Matrix is."

I can see the Ghostbusters Afterlife nightmare version of this movie made by another filmmaker who would have done the exact things this movie was deconstructing. We would have gotten the war with the machines again, Smith as the villain again, recreating moments of the original with reverence without any self awareness, the obligatory "bullet time." All the superficial nonsense that drives current legacy sequels. Instead Lana is well aware of what the Matrix is and is less interested in all that and just focused on telling a new story.

That committee executive meeting scene in this movie is essentially the thing that we're getting in these legacy sequels. People who take things at face value and more concerned with placating feelings towards nostalgia; which in turn you get wheel spinning. I'm glad to finally see someone talking about this in a big mainstream movie.
 
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Probably, but having Snyder try another undercooked, pseudo philosophical movie is *my* worst nightmare.

Bay's writing is incredibly crass, his films look ugly and his action is incomprehensible (nowadays at least).
 
The problem wasn't with the smaller scale in principle, if there's a problem with it, it's more in the execution. But as far as that goes, it was well done. At the end of the day, it was about reuniting Neo and Trinity. If you don't like that, fine, but a) their story has always been the core of the films, so this is just a continuation of that, and b) it's unfair to criticize a movie based on its scale in principle or how many sets it had, especially comparing it to its other movies. The Matrix has always trafficking in specific ideas first where what happened in the story stemmed from that, however the scale was. The scale of the trilogy seemed more a means to an end to tell this story of belief and faith and love and hope.

I guess they could have gone with something larger scaled in theory, but after the war with the machines, where would you go? Most importantly, it just felt like a story Lana wanted to tell than out of obligation or any sense of what "The Matrix is."

I can see the nightmare version of this movie made by another filmmaker who would have done the exact things this movie was deconstructing. We would have gotten the war with the machines again, Smith as the villain again, recreating moments of the original with reverence without any self awareness, the obligatory "bullet time" and trying to create new Matrix moments. All the superficial nonsense that drives current legacy sequels. Instead Lana is well aware of what the Matrix is and is less interested in all that and just focused on telling a new story.

That committee executive meeting scene in this movie is essentially the scene I've been talking about for all these years. It's essentially what's we're getting in these legacy sequels.
Yep. This is why I appreciate the movie overall. A legacy sequel probably would have gotten more people hyped, and then when the hyped died down, people would have torn it apart. At least with this movie, It decided to do something different and far less epic. The war was over, so what would be big this time? Another war? Many people say we didn't need a 4th Matrix, including Lana, but she had something she wanted to express here and I think we're better off with one of the original directors telling a story they wanted to tell, even if it's not to everyones liking, than to have a new person come in and make a safe movie that people would eventually tear apart anyways.

I'm also not saying having a new creative vision from someone else is a bad thing. Indiana Jones 5 is an example of where that will probably end up working in it's favor. Spielberg couldn't get Indy 5 to live up to his and what he thought would be the audiences expectations, so now James Mangold is doing something that I think will hopefully end up being a fitting conclusion to the series as well as very exciting on it's own.
 
Bay's writing is incredibly crass, his films look ugly and his action is incomprehensible (nowadays at least).
I know and Snyder is no different. 6 Underground is one of the worst movies ever made imo but I also feel the same way about Army of the Dead. Both of them suck but I’d rather have an unpretentious mess than a self-serious, boring pile of garbage.
 
Yep. This is why I appreciate the movie overall. A legacy sequel probably would have gotten more people hyped, and then when the hyped died down, people would have torn it apart. At least with this movie, It decided to do something different and far less epic. The war was over, so what would be big this time? Another war? Many people say we didn't need a 4th Matrix, including Lana, but she had something she wanted to express here and I think we're better off with one of the original directors telling a story they wanted to tell, even if it's not to everyones liking, than to have a new person come in and make a safe movie that people would eventually tear apart anyways.

I'm also not saying having a new creative vision from someone else is a bad thing. Indiana Jones 5 is an example of where that will probably end up working in it's favor. Spielberg couldn't get Indy 5 to live up to his and what he thought would be the audiences expectations, so now James Mangold is doing something that I think will hopefully end up being a fitting conclusion to the series as well as very exciting on it's own.

I think in time, this movie will be more appreciated. If there's an actual tipping point for these awful legacy sequels, the culture will come back to this more positively. That's how a lot of art works. Context. If it comes out in the right cultural context it hits, if it doesn't, that's when you get art that becomes appreciated in the future.

I'm not saying this movie is a masterpiece or will be seen as such, but it's a damn good movie that actually pulls off what it's saying and I think at least that will become more clear and appreciated for what it is later on when the dust settles.

It's the opposite of something like TFA where it was exciting in the moment, but now, I don't see people really talking about it so much. And if there is, it's more critical of it being a blatant rehash. More people talk about The Mandalorian.
 
I’d take Christopher McQuarrie, Joseph Kosinski or Alex Garland (a fan’s dream) over Bay or Snyder.
 
Bay's writing is incredibly crass, his films look ugly and his action is incomprehensible (nowadays at least).

I mean that goes for Snyder, maybe even more because he thinks his writing is more than it is.
Bay never really claims that his movies are good written.
And personally i dont find Snyders movie to be visually appealing to the eyes either.

Maybe we should not think for a second to have those two be close to any Matrix project ever.
They both would be horrible choices for any Matrix IP project.
 

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