The Matrix Resurrections

[Deck Rickard]

It was. Unless you want to say Wonder Woman should've been theatrical only, similar to what's apparently desired for Matrix 4.

Seriously, it's like people forget or ignore that WB is releasing their upcoming films both via HBO Max and in theaters where available.

LOL. Seriously, it’s like some people forget or ignore that there are like 12 movie theaters still operating in the United States.

 

[NotNickFury]

LOL. Seriously, it’s like some people forget or ignore that there are like 12 movie theaters still operating in the United States.

That's being generous. More like 13.

Still, fact is they aren't all closed or down to the miniscule amount that many think they are. And still contrary to the notion that Wonder Woman should've been theatrical when, you know, it was. Or rather, is since it's still in theaters now.

 

[Drizzle]

I'm rooting for The Matrix 4, but it had an uphill battle even before the pandemic. The original film stands the test of time but because the sequels were so divisive, they had a bit of a negative impact on the franchise overall. Much like the last two entries of the Star Wars sequel trilogy, I think they're heavily flawed but watchable. Maybe people have looked at the sequels in a more positive light since then. But even besides that, Matrix 4 is short one Wachowski, Hugo Weaving (most likely), and Laurence Fishburne (maybe, although I believe Yahya Abdul Mateen is playing young Morpheus?). But on the other hand, we have Keanu back, who's been having a renaissance in his career since John Wick. I guess time will tell.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I definitely get that, but the main difference this time is the vaccine. Let's just keep our fingers crossed and see what happens between now and then.

Even with the vaccine it will take time to see how effective it is and dispell fears.

They always have the option to wait and see it at home. No one’s taking that away. Killing theaters, on the other hand, would take away the option for everyone else. And make no mistake, that’s what’s on the line here.

There weren’t people being vaccinated daily last year. December WILL very likely look very different.

There's 6 months between those options and I'm not suggesting giving it away, nearly all these studios have their own streaming arm now and can use a premium option to still make money that they can cut cinema chains a piece of. Right now I'm in lockdown again, 24 hours a day pretty much alone, mentally the fatigue is hard, what I wouldn't give to have the option to watch Black Widow and No Time to Die on my TV for a fee.

We have to see how the vaccine works, this thing is mutating all of the time, new strains popping up in different places and more importantly than cinemas and indeed restaurants, pubs etc.....are lives, playing Russian roulette with this and continously holding movies back so people risk lives isn't the answer imo.

 

[flickchick85]

Agree to disagree, @Hunter Rider . I’ve felt FAR more risk to my life every time I’ve gone to the grocery store than I did during the two theatrical movie viewings I’ve done during this pandemic. Those are the two outings I’ve had where I’ve felt the safest, and they were the most rewarding for me mental health wise, as moviegoing has always been a therapeutic activity to me. In my experience, theaters are exercising much better safety protocols than stores, restaurants or bars are. Everybody judges their “worthwhile risks” differently. Imo, it doesn’t hurt anyone to wait a couple more months to see movies at home. The theatrical window these days is pretty short anyway, but no less essential. There’s PLENTY to watch on the various streaming services to keep people occupied in the meantime, with other new content added weekly.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Imo, it doesn’t hurt anyone to wait a couple more months to see movies at home. The theatrical window these days is pretty short anyway, but no less essential. There’s PLENTY to watch on the various streaming services to keep people occupied in the meantime, with other new content added weekly.

This.

It's as if what's available now for home viewing isn't already enough. Let alone all the streaming stuff coming out week after week anyway. God forbid some theatrical releases stay that way.

 

[MadVillainy]

This.

It's as if what's available now for home viewing isn't already enough. Let alone all the streaming stuff coming out week after week anyway. God forbid some theatrical releases stay that way.

Preach
Been saying that for months. There are years worth of content to already enjoy at home. I don't see why people are acting so thirsty.

And as also has been said it's not like movies stay in theaters for like half a year anymore. Movies no matter how successful are out for home consumption in like 3 months or less. And 3 months is for the uber successful movies

 

[MadVillainy]

I'm rooting for The Matrix 4, but it had an uphill battle even before the pandemic. The original film stands the test of time but because the sequels were so divisive, they had a bit of a negative impact on the franchise overall. Much like the last two entries of the Star Wars sequel trilogy, I think they're heavily flawed but watchable. Maybe people have looked at the sequels in a more positive light since then. But even besides that, Matrix 4 is short one Wachowski, Hugo Weaving (most likely), and Laurence Fishburne (maybe, although I believe Yahya Abdul Mateen is playing young Morpheus?). But on the other hand, we have Keanu back, who's been having a renaissance in his career since John Wick. I guess time will tell.

I think 5-7 years ago I'd agree.

But I feel like, despite the sequels, Matrix as a franchise is still pretty beloved. And as you pointed out Keanu has had a big resurrgence. I'd actually argue he's more popular now than ever. I'm sure that would/would've helped

But I do see your points.

 

[Gothamsknight]

I think Matrix 4 will be big. Yes, the sequels were divisive, though i loved Reloaded, but it's the Matrix. Keanu is as popular as ever, and I think with so much time passed, people at the very least will be very curious.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I think if it has a really bold, new take on it. If it looks more of the same, then probably not. The Wachowski's have always taken big swings, so I'll give them credit for that so I'm just hoping they do that here and it's not just a TFA equivalent for this franchise. And please, please, don't just call it The Matrix.

 

[Gothamsknight]

I have a feeling this movie will feel different enough, but also retain enough of the identity of the original trilogy. I certainly hope the music is the same haha.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Agree to disagree, @Hunter Rider . I’ve felt FAR more risk to my life every time I’ve gone to the grocery store than I did during the two theatrical movie viewings I’ve done during this pandemic. Those are the two outings I’ve had where I’ve felt the safest, and they were the most rewarding for me mental health wise, as moviegoing has always been a therapeutic activity to me. In my experience, theaters are exercising much better safety protocols than stores, restaurants or bars are. Everybody judges their “worthwhile risks” differently. Imo, it doesn’t hurt anyone to wait a couple more months to see movies at home. The theatrical window these days is pretty short anyway, but no less essential. There’s PLENTY to watch on the various streaming services to keep people occupied in the meantime, with other new content added weekly.

I'm not worried about catching the virus personally, I've been on a covid ward when I went to see my Dad when he died from it, but I have other older family members that rely on me and wouldn't survive it if I unknowingly passed it on, and my Dad caught it in a home taking every precaution under the sun and had gone 8 months without a single case. The fact is this an invisible killer, all I'm saying is I respect your mental health is helped by going to the cinema, but shouldn't those of us also struggling have the same choice to see the biggest new movies at the same time in a way we feel safe? So we can then come on a site like this and discuss, engaging with other fans? Those are 2 big boosts for mental well being imo.

 

[flickchick85]

I'm not worried about catching the virus personally, I've been on a covid ward when I went to see my Dad when he died from it, but I have other older family members that rely on me and wouldn't survive it if I unknowingly passed it on, and my Dad caught it in a home taking every precaution under the sun and had gone 8 months without a single case. The fact is this an invisible killer, all I'm saying is I respect your mental health is helped by going to the cinema, but shouldn't those of us also struggling have the same choice to see the biggest new movies at the same time in a way we feel safe? So we can then come on a site like this and discuss, engaging with other fans? Those are 2 big boosts for mental well being imo.

Again though, you can do that at any time. Plenty of people will be waiting for it when it come out on VOD so you can discuss it with people then.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Again though, you can do that at any time. Plenty of people will be waiting for it when it come out on VOD so you can discuss it with people then.

But we are just much in need of something now as those willing to take the risks and they'd be getting my money so it's not like they are losing out.

 

[flickchick85]

But we are just much in need of something now as those willing to take the risks and they'd be getting my money so it's not like they are losing out.

No one's "in need" of new movies immediately, though. As I said, there's plenty of new content out every week on streaming. Theaters ARE "in need" of revenue, though, if they and the thousands of people they employ are going to make it through this. And they are ABSOLUTELY losing out on that without the theatrical window. Just look at WW84's abysmal box office numbers for proof. Tenet made more than twice as much globally thanks to that window. And people still got to see it at home if they preferred just a few months later.

 

[Hunter Rider]

No one's "in need" of new movies immediately, though. As I said, there's plenty of new content out every week on streaming. Theaters ARE "in need" of revenue, though, if they and the thousands of people they employ are going to make it through this. And they are ABSOLUTELY losing out on that without the theatrical window. Just look at WW84's abysmal box office numbers for proof. Tenet made more than twice as much globally thanks to that window. And people still got to see it at home if they preferred just a few months later.

The stuff on streaming isn't blockbuster stuff though, it's TV stuff outside of the odd higher end show like The Mandalorian. People are in need of something big to get through these endless days of solitude and misery, we are far off from safety as shown by Bond and Ghostbusters shifting to the back end of the year, they know this vaccine isn't a miracle and we might not have even seen the worst of this virus yet. I think the reason the numbers dropped between Tenet and WW84 was down to the body count rising in the 4 months between, when it came out here on cinema only we were registering the highest amount of deaths per day so far, nobody was going to risk going to see a movie with those numbers. I'm not saying they should give the movies away, cinemas can get a cut from the streaming services premium charge, it's like the survival of cinemas has become some sort of holy grail even though streaming is the inevitable future once studios get their services fine tuned. I think at this Unprecedented time there's a middle ground where we all get to see the big movies at the same time and don't have to risk lives to do so, those that wish to take the risk can.

 

[flickchick85]

The stuff on streaming isn't blockbuster stuff though, it's TV stuff outside of the odd higher end show like The Mandalorian. People are in need of something big to get through these endless days of solitude and misery, we are far off from safety as shown by Bond and Ghostbusters shifting to the back end of the year, they know this vaccine isn't a miracle and we might not have even seen the worst of this virus yet. I think the reason the numbers dropped between Tenet and WW84 was down to the body count rising in the 4 months between, when it came out here on cinema only we were registering the highest amount of deaths per day so far, nobody was going to risk going to see a movie with those numbers. I'm not saying they should give the movies away, cinemas can get a cut from the streaming services premium charge, it's like the survival of cinemas has become some sort of holy grail even though streaming is the inevitable future once studios get their services fine tuned. I think at this Unprecedented time there's a middle ground where we all get to see the big movies at the same time and don't have to risk lives to do so, those that wish to take the risk can.

There's no reality in which cinemas will just be "given cuts" of the studios' revenue from streaming. That's fantasy land. What you're describing isn't people "in need" of big movies to watch...it's people "in want" of big movies to watch sooner than otherwise. And it in no way actually hurts them to get those movies a couple months later. They'll still get them, and they'll still be able to discuss them online. And theaters get to keep employing thousands and thousands of people who are struggling for hours and wages to put food on the table, and the exhibition industry doesn't collapse before our eyes. That's a MORE THAN fair trade-off, imo. To me, the best hypothetical "middle ground" is simply shortening that theatrical window to like 2 months or something.

 

[Hunter Rider]

This.

It's as if what's available now for home viewing isn't already enough. Let alone all the streaming stuff coming out week after week anyway. God forbid some theatrical releases stay that way.

Have you watched a lot of these made for streaming movies? There's an odd gem here and there but the bulk of them range from mediocre to trash, being able to watch Outside the Wire last Friday as opposed to say The new Ghostbusters movie is hardly comparable. We are in an era where technology has opened up a way to deliver top new content to peoples homes and at a time when the world is in the worst state it's ever been in, but it's not been used because of a few directors egos and the desperation to force people into a choice that doesn't need to be made. Sports are delivering, every football match here is free on TV costing clubs millions, to the point some might go under, but with people trapped at home they realize the part sport plays in keeping people from going stir crazy.

 

[Hunter Rider]

There's no reality in which cinemas will just be "given cuts" of the studios' revenue from streaming. That's fantasy land. What you're describing isn't people "in need" of big movies to watch...it's people "in want" of big movies to watch sooner than otherwise. And it in no way actually hurts them to get those movies a couple months later. They'll still get them, and they'll still be able to discuss them online. And theaters get to keep employing thousands and thousands of people who are struggling for hours and wages to put food on the table, and the exhibition industry doesn't collapse before our eyes. That's a MORE THAN fair trade-off, imo. To me, the best hypothetical "middle ground" is simply shortening that theatrical window to like 2 months or something.

Why is that not a reality when all of these studios are saying they are invested in keeping cinemas alive? It's one very easy way to do it, and in fairness Flick you can only decide the difference between need and want for you, other people are in different situations, I've had one 10 minute human interaction in the last fortnight, I'm sitting watching re-runs of 80's cop shows and rap reaction channels on Youtube, I'm depressed and fed up, if i had the ability to pay £15 to see the new Bond movie on my TV right now it would certainly lift my spirits, I can't speak for anyone else.

 

[flickchick85]

Have you watched a lot of these made for streaming movies? There's an odd gem here and there but the bulk of them range from mediocre to trash, being able to watch Outside the Wire last Friday as opposed to say The new Ghostbusters movie is hardly comparable. We are in an era where technology has opened up a way to deliver top new content to peoples homes and at a time when the world is in the worst state it's ever been in, but it's not been used because of a few directors egos and the desperation to force people into a choice that doesn't need to be made. Sports are delivering, every football match here is free on TV costing clubs millions, to the point some might go under, but with people trapped at home they realize tge part sport pkays in keeping people from going stir crazy.

Why is that not a reality when all of these studios are saying they are invested in keeping cinemas alive? It's one very easy way to do it, and in fairness Flick you can only decide the difference between need and want for you, other people are in different situations, I've had one 10 minute human interaction in the last fortnight, I'm sitting watching re-runs of 80's cop shows and rap reaction channels on Youtube, I'm depressed and fed up, if i had the ability to pay £15 to see the new Bond movie on my TV right now it would certainly lift my spirits, I can't speak for anyone else.

Studios won't offer the cinemas charity because they have boards and investors they answer to, and it's a business. They've all already lost a ton of money thanks to this pandemic, and they're not about to give away more. The theatrical window is HOW they keep theaters in business to serve both their interests. They aren't trying to "force" people to do anything. There are plenty of places these movies can screen safely and do well, and that will be far more so the case in December. They're even making affordable private screenings available for families worried about safety. The exclusivity of the theatrical window is not "force," it's incentive. Businesses need incentives to get people engaged. If that incentive isn't appealing enough for some, or if it's still too risky where they are, those folks can see it at home a couple months later, which is hardly an injury. They're trying to keep an industry afloat. That industry is made up of people, not the rich people or studio execs, but regular people, who are just trying to make it through this like everyone else. It's not some evil agenda like you're painting it.

And yes, I've watched and enjoyed plenty of streaming movies. They're not blockbusters, but they're diverting. I've also had no problem waiting for movies to hit streaming that I otherwise would've gone to the theater to see under normal circumstances, either. Waiting a couple extra months is hardly an unfair ask, when the alternative is thousands of people losing their livelihoods.

Like I said Hunter, we'll have to agree to disagree. I do see where you're coming from. I'm sorry to hear you're not in a good place right now, and you're certainly not alone. Hang in there, my friend. There IS an end to this, and better times do lie ahead, even if it's hard to see right now.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Studios won't offer the cinemas charity because they have boards and investors they answer to, and it's a business. They've all already lost a ton of money thanks to this pandemic, and they're not about to give away more. The theatrical window is HOW they keep theaters in business to serve both their interests. They aren't trying to "force" people to do anything. There are plenty of places these movies can screen safely and do well, and that will be far more so the case in December. They're even making affordable private screenings available for families worried about safety. The exclusivity of the theatrical window is not "force," it's incentive. Businesses need incentives to get people engaged. If that incentive isn't appealing enough for some, or if it's still too risky where they are, those folks can see it at home a couple months later, which is hardly an injury. They're trying to keep an industry afloat. That industry is made up of people, not the rich people or studio execs, but regular people, who are just trying to make it through this like everyone else. It's not some evil agenda like you're painting it.

And yes, I've watched and enjoyed plenty of streaming movies. They're not blockbusters, but they're diverting. I've also had no problem waiting for movies to hit streaming that I otherwise would've gone to the theater to see under normal circumstances, either. Waiting a couple extra months is hardly an unfair ask, when the alternative is thousands of people losing their livelihoods.

Like I said Hunter, we'll have to agree to disagree. I do see where you're coming from. I'm sorry to hear you're not in a good place right now, and you're certainly not alone. Hang in there, my friend. There IS an end to this, and better times do lie ahead, even if it's hard to see right now.

There's so much we disagree on here Flick that I agree to disagree, at the moment and for the next 10 months at this rate neither studios or cinema's are making any money, so the premium share idea makes logical compromise to me for a year, a lot of the other stuff is just down to personal views such as the quality of streaming movies and the length of the window, we could pick it apart further but we'd still end up back at square one lol.

The bottom line is you seem invested in cinema's over every other angle which is fair enough, I think there's been nowhere near as much effort to keep other businesses afloat and I think streaming will wipe it out in the next 5 years or so anyway, so when depression is such a big factor right now they are holding crates full of mental medicine worldwide but refuse to help, I don't think it's an evil agenda, just a case of not looking at the bigger picture and only caring about an entity making up a small percentage of people.

Thanks Flick, same to you, we differ here but you know I like and respect you, just a difference of opinion.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Excuse my ignorance but do we have any idea of what the plot of the movie is about?

 

[The Shape]

Excuse my ignorance but do we have any idea of what the plot of the movie is about?

It's got something to do with the Matrix.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

It's got something to do with the Matrix.

No need to be a smart a$$.

 

[MadVillainy]

No need to be a smart a$$.

When is trailer coming?

Read the thread.

You also have the option of ignoring my question

Goes both ways, bro

It's just a lazy and pathetic question.

Pot calling kettle black