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DarthSkywalker said:
No, no, no. You are now talking about two completely different things. Red Kryptonite does rid him of his inhibitions, which also rids him of his fears and his mental "road blocks" that would shut off his powers if it was all about accepting them. If his powers were not tied to his genetics.

What you are talking about when you say "Kal-EL", you are talking about mental road blocks. Clark's powers are bological in nature on Smallville. He didn't suddenly start "Accepting" his Kryptonian blood when he was a baby with super strength did he? Or how about Martha's story about his first taste of superspeed?

nowhere has it ever been established that red k takes away the "roadblocks" as you call them. thats either 1) an untrue statement, or at best 2) unestablished in SV cannon.

so you cant rely on it.
With regard to the biological nature of his powers. while yes thats true, but they devleop at different times. he got speed and strength before hearing or sight. he still doesnt have breath. he also hasnt developed flight, and there is no reason to believe red k would give him an additional power....otherwise red k should make him have super breath as well. and thats not the case either.
 
Also remember as far as the flying in Lois and Clark, many times you didn't see him actually fly. He swooshed his cape across the screen and they did the swooping up into the sky noise. Not so much was actual flying footage.

They deserve a reprieve for the SFX budget. Maybe the CW will increase it.:woot:
 
DarthSkywalker said:
I admit it wasn't the best comparison. Sorry for that. My point was though just because someone working on a project puts a character there, doesn't necessarily mean that theyare either necessary or give the show something it needs.

And while I do not agree with that sort of storyline for Lana, and agree with you in theory. If they kept her in the background, didn't make her an emotional train wreck who seems to control Clark's life, I could deal with it. The problem is that almost every, single, thing comes back to her. Clark is about to battle his Father's greatest foe. He is about confront his very own. That is dramatic. Why do I need Lana in the middle of that? Why can't she just be the girl who cares for Clark, who doesn't get involved in the middle of everything? Hell, they even figured out a way to trace her back to Clark's Fortress. Come on.

In theory though there's nothing wrong with putting her there. How many superhero love stories have a girl in them? A lot. It's an accpeted convention. Fact is if they hadnt put the love story through a teen soap opera or made her a witch they would be less dissent from some of the more hardcore fans cause they sure didnt have a problem when she was that in the first 2 seasons ( I personally think that would have been pointless to keep her like that, better to get her more involed just make better more credible storylines)


DarthSkywalker said:
Oh yes I can. There is no need to give her an arc this year. Just there wasn't in the 4th or 5th. That is what leads to witches and junkie Lana.

Every character deserves a storyline and an arc in the show, obviously it must at the end of the day involve Clark as he is the main character but they all deserve good storylines. Lana needs that again. I'll give KK credit for at least having fun with those awful storylines much better than just leaving her than the girl in the talon but writers should give her something better than that. Again if they did that, no one would say anything. I mean Lois is absolutley useless on and shouldnt even be on the show, her chemistry with Clark is hammy as hell and she's only good for getting her **** out but no one complains cause she isnt giving the tortured girl routine.


DarthSkywalker said:
They write this show like a bizarre version of Buffy (More romantic in nature). Not Angel (the "Man's" show), and I would be fine with that. I really do get into love stories, and the such if they are written well.

Well Buffy to me set off a teen/fantasy genre on it's own that had mulit-dimensional aspects and as the predessor for Smallville on the WB so I imagine guys like Steve Deknight and TPTB aspire to be and I thought in season 1 they were gonna follow that blueprint and mix humourous novelty episodes with serious storylines like Buffy and Angel but it doesnt execute well when there is perceieved notions about Superman's mythology. Everyone has a different perspective

DarthSkywalker said:
The problem is how big of a mess they have turned this situation into. They feel the need to be "hip" and "sexy" and strip everyone down for no other reason then for them to be naked. They have done the basic "virigin" storylines.

The thing that amazes about people who say this is, I really think they haven watch the show from the start. I mean back in 2001 I thought the mission statement was to be bring a younger, trendy Clark Kent story. The fact that the storylines for everyone in those early seasons worked so well is why no one complained and they just kept it going but they obviously hit a wall in Season 4. But still they have certain growing issues to address and it is after all a WB show, so of course there going to throw that in to appeal to there market. Fair enough, it is a business still.


DarthSkywalker said:
The whole point I was making here is that I believe they really don't know what is suppose to be happening before they write it. And what they do is stretch 4 or 5 episodes of material over 22, and they really don't care. Sprinkling in a bit of the main arc every episode, doesn't make it "connect".

They have a plan for what the major arcs of the show are going to be however I dont think they expected the network to keep it beyond 5 seasons so they added other storylines and other things for characters to strech it over (what it looks like) more than 7 seasons. That's fine but they need to keep it tight and give credbility to all the characters.


DarthSkywalker said:
Character death are hard business. It is something when executed right, is amazing. The problem is that Lana is so disliked, her death would be more relief then anything. Besides you don't need to kill her, just send her away. :woot:

Not even close. Lana is not so disliked, only on the internet with the fanboys who want the fantasy/comic book element more than a Dawson's Creek show (or derranged Chloe fans). What you have however is a polarization when it comes to her ( the person universally dislike was Whitney). You've got this large CW/WB audience who love the fact that she's Clark's girl and there so vocal and large in numbers there petitions have been enough to force the writers to have them make up again for there sakes. So if they kill her off, your automatically pissing off at least 60% of the audience. Lotta people dont watch for the Clana too but no one hates to the point where there burining effigies that's lame. And if they kill you get this empty unresolved void and that's just as bad a critical point for the writers as many of the inconsistent storylines people complain about. The fact that it satisfies the internet audience for maybe 5 minutes doesnt help. Anyone can kill a character off, its better to have that character endear themselves to the audience.
 
avidreader said:
I think if he does master flying then it would be a complete cop out to just acknowledge it. You would want to see him doing it all the time.

That's fair, but having hims show up or something and mention it would be fine for me atleast. Or the could compile a couple of cuts from different angles might work as well just to build stock footage. Not every flight to me needs to be as dramatic as the Kal-El Flight in S4

Well they can afford to do it in season pre-ems because they get a little extra money, they cant afford to keep it going all the time.

Again I think it's just how dramatic you want to the shot to be. If they compile some things at different angles on the green screen I think they could work it out.

I'm sure he is working through it. He still made mention of it though in Fragile and Fade, so its obviously still has some concern for him. It may only come down to the fact that he doesnt want to be caught doing it.

I took that as more of a front at this point but that's me.

They re-used the same scenes over and over again. There were times when he was doing more specific stuff and they used wires, but it wasnt something that they did regularly, and who knows what their budget was compared to Smallville's. I dont think you can compare.

As I said above I think the technology out now could allow you to re-use things and have it look different. Just a matter of backgrounds and different cuts and angles. There's only so many ways he can fly past the camara.

Kaboom said:
There's something to be said for being in the right place at the time...and being that every promotion has come about because of the Kent's i think its alot easier to swallow.

I dont doubt that, but its still a bit much. And again the reasons why she was in town in the first place to be able to take on the work was a little weak.
 
DarthSkywalker said:
And while I do not agree with that sort of storyline for Lana, and agree with you in theory. If they kept her in the background, didn't make her an emotional train wreck who seems to control Clark's life, I could deal with it. The problem is that almost every, single, thing comes back to her. Clark is about to battle his Father's greatest foe. He is about confront his very own. That is dramatic. Why do I need Lana in the middle of that? Why can't she just be the girl who cares for Clark, who doesn't get involved in the middle of everything? Hell, they even figured out a way to trace her back to Clark's Fortress. Come on.
But human emotion is one of the key distinctive features of a tale that's centered on Superman's growing up and his roots. His parents, the girl he loves, and his friends.. are ALL going to feature prominently, and should, in every story arc. Chloe was at the FOS too.. was that a problem? Now Martha and Lois..okay.

I think it's just a case of purists having a hard time drawing the line of how far short of their expectations they are willing to accept. People are always screaming that SV is stagnant and the characters need to grow and change. So when they do try something innovative and maybe even out of left field, then people ***** that it's not how things are supposed to go. Arrgh. Lesson to be learned: You just can't please everyone.

Character death are hard business. It is something when executed right, is amazing. The problem is that Lana is so disliked, her death would be more relief then anything. Besides you don't need to kill her, just send her away. :woot:
You are projecting your own preferences on the entire SV viewing audience. Believe it or not, there are places on then internet where Lana is a very loved character. I've heard nasty rumors that she even has a few fans that post here! :eek: ;)
 
NHawk19 said:
Again I agree that ED & TW have better chemistry on screen than say TW & AM or TW & KK. Just that her relevance to the story's has been minimal, and they seem to want to put her in places that just dont make sense just to have her around. In one season she went from Barista to Campaign Manager to Senator's Aid and she's barley 21.

I might change my mind if they really clear up the inconsistancies in her character.

I don't agree about the chemistry. Lois is snarky and funny, and I love the reactions that they write for Clark in his earlier scenes with her. But I just don't feel the onscreen chemistry (romantically) between them. It feels awkward to me, but maybe that will improve as her character becomes closer to Clark.. and we get to know her on a more in-depth level beyond her body and her snark. I think Lois has a LOT more to offer as a well-rounded character, if they decide to go that way.

I thought Clark/TW had the best chemistry with Lana/KK (of course), and with Alicia/SC (whoa, baby!).
 
well, theres not supposed to be any romantic chemistry between them yet
 
Kaboom said:
well, theres not supposed to be any romantic chemistry between them yet
And that's why I still allow for the possibility of some developing in the future - from my perspective. I know there are a lot of people who see it already, in spades even. Different strokes and all. I think I see it exactly how they are playing to be seen: friendly annoyance, with hints of a deeper understanding of each other.
 
All-Star Superman said:
LMFAO I am sorry but I couldn't help but laugh at this part.
:confused:

Not sure what's so funny, but as a fan of the show, I feel the SV writers and producers have earned the benefit of the doubt at this point. Have they written some clunkers? Sure. But overall, I'm comfortable in placing my faith in their five year track record of delivering both entertaining and inspiring characters on this show. I care about SV's Clark and what happens to him and his cadre of friends and family. That kind of devotion is earned over time. It's not granted by virtue of simply being familiar with the characters or their associated characterizations previously established in other mediums...

Man! I wish I had a nickel for every time I had to explain this stuff 'cause folks seem to have a wicked hard time accepting it, but I digress.

Anyway, unlike laughable plot elements in other versions, where the writers pull something stupid or OOC from their collective tushes, I feel this one actually makes sense given the larger story arc. Now, I don't particularly like the idea, and I still don't believe they're going to follow through with Lana actually having Lexod's baby, but the *concept* of Zod wanting to recreate Krypton on Earth has been an established plot point ever since Arrival. Furthermore, the fact that Lex was "prepared" by Brainiac to be Zod's vessel and would likely still have human genes also gives it a modicum of plausibility within the fiction of the show. Imagine that?

Good thing Brainiac's first plan failed because Clark-Zod would have to find alien Barbie in the PZ if he wanted to make whoopee.

I need a vacation.
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Oh, and while I'm here, I might as well vent too. Here's what *I* can't stand...

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whos the sockpuppet pat, and who are they a sock puppet for?
 
Lionel Luthor said:
It depends. Some argue that since Smallville is a reimagining that Lois and Clark should start to blossom into a couple this season.



who is some? and why should their opinion matter anymore than anyone elses? you either love the show for what it is, or lament the show for what it is, it really doesnt matter.

my initial point was that there isnt supposed to be any romantic chemstry yet. NOT because i'm comparing it to other medium, but because the writers have said there is no romance going on. In fact, TPTB have prohibited any romance from occuring up to this point.

with regard to your inferrence that some think a romance should develop this season (6), i make it a habit to critique what the show has done, rather than what it may or may not do in the future.
 
Kaboom said:
with regard to your inferrence that some think a romance should develop this season (6), i make it a habit to critique what the show has done, rather than what it may or may not do in the future.

Good choice. I also take this view. :up:
 
Kaboom said:
whos the sockpuppet pat, and who are they a sock puppet for?
PM on its way. This SP is pretty obvious though. :whatever:
 
got the pm...im awful at that detective work
 
Super_Ludacris said:
In theory though there's nothing wrong with putting her there. How many superhero love stories have a girl in them? A lot. It's an accpeted convention. Fact is if they hadnt put the love story through a teen soap opera or made her a witch they would be less dissent from some of the more hardcore fans cause they sure didnt have a problem when she was that in the first 2 seasons ( I personally think that would have been pointless to keep her like that, better to get her more involed just make better more credible storylines)

Here is the thing. That part of Clark's life is in a way suppose to be separate from that.

When you have someone like Zod or this version of Brainiac, the story is about the boy sent to earth, from a dead planet. When you suddenly turn his girl into the reincarnated version of someone who hurted down the crystals years before you start to have problems.

There isn't always need to make Lana super significant to Clark's storyline. Sometimes he could just be confronting evil or his father's sins. That is also a commonly used arc in superhero mythos.

Super_Ludacris said:
Every character deserves a storyline and an arc in the show, obviously it must at the end of the day involve Clark as he is the main character but they all deserve good storylines. Lana needs that again. I'll give KK credit for at least having fun with those awful storylines much better than just leaving her than the girl in the talon but writers should give her something better than that. Again if they did that, no one would say anything. I mean Lois is absolutley useless on and shouldnt even be on the show, her chemistry with Clark is hammy as hell and she's only good for getting her **** out but no one complains cause she isnt giving the tortured girl routine.

So you would agree that they have written the character into the ground on more then a few ocassions? You don't believe that some of the problems with Lana's character is that perhaps the need to insert her in every situation and that KK really isn't a strong actress?

Super_Ludacris said:
Well Buffy to me set off a teen/fantasy genre on it's own that had mulit-dimensional aspects and as the predessor for Smallville on the WB so I imagine guys like Steve Deknight and TPTB aspire to be and I thought in season 1 they were gonna follow that blueprint and mix humourous novelty episodes with serious storylines like Buffy and Angel but it doesnt execute well when there is perceieved notions about Superman's mythology. Everyone has a different perspective

It doesn't work because the writers and actors suffer in terms of ability. Even DeKnight looks losted here.

Super_Ludacris said:
The thing that amazes about people who say this is, I really think they haven watch the show from the start. I mean back in 2001 I thought the mission statement was to be bring a younger, trendy Clark Kent story. The fact that the storylines for everyone in those early seasons worked so well is why no one complained and they just kept it going but they obviously hit a wall in Season 4. But still they have certain growing issues to address and it is after all a WB show, so of course there going to throw that in to appeal to there market. Fair enough, it is a business still.

Young and trendy means making it mindless and lacking in depth? They use those things to make an easy way out of working on strong characters, scripts, and acting.

Super_Ludacris said:
They have a plan for what the major arcs of the show are going to be however I dont think they expected the network to keep it beyond 5 seasons so they added other storylines and other things for characters to strech it over (what it looks like) more than 7 seasons. That's fine but they need to keep it tight and give credbility to all the characters.

Major arcs? They have avoid pulling the trigger far to many times over the years for me to believe they actually knew were everything would sit at the end of five seasons.

Super_Ludacris said:
Not even close. Lana is not so disliked, only on the internet with the fanboys who want the fantasy/comic book element more than a Dawson's Creek show (or derranged Chloe fans). What you have however is a polarization when it comes to her ( the person universally dislike was Whitney). You've got this large CW/WB audience who love the fact that she's Clark's girl and there so vocal and large in numbers there petitions have been enough to force the writers to have them make up again for there sakes. So if they kill her off, your automatically pissing off at least 60% of the audience. Lotta people dont watch for the Clana too but no one hates to the point where there burining effigies that's lame. And if they kill you get this empty unresolved void and that's just as bad a critical point for the writers as many of the inconsistent storylines people complain about. The fact that it satisfies the internet audience for maybe 5 minutes doesnt help. Anyone can kill a character off, its better to have that character endear themselves to the audience.

But what if a character can't endear themselves? What is the character's only path is a rehash of what others have done on the same show, or even perhaps what the character themselves has already gone through.

You act as if getting rid of a character shouldn't, ever be done. It isn't only a cop out. Some times it is sound decision making.

Also were do you get these statistics?
 
Serene said:
But human emotion is one of the key distinctive features of a tale that's centered on Superman's growing up and his roots. His parents, the girl he loves, and his friends.. are ALL going to feature prominently, and should, in every story arc. Chloe was at the FOS too.. was that a problem? Now Martha and Lois..okay.

I think it's just a case of purists having a hard time drawing the line of how far short of their expectations they are willing to accept. People are always screaming that SV is stagnant and the characters need to grow and change. So when they do try something innovative and maybe even out of left field, then people ***** that it's not how things are supposed to go. Arrgh. Lesson to be learned: You just can't please everyone.

1. To be involved in a character's life, doesn't mean you need to be involved in every single aspect. Clark's relationship with Jor-El should be so separate from everything else it isn't funny.

2. What does human emotions have to do with Lana running around as a possesed which that suddenly wants to unlock the knowledge of an alien race?

3. I don't think people would complain at good, strong character development. The problem is that every single thing that happens on Smallville always seems to undo itself or worse, picks something so out of left field it should be obvious, it shouldn't be done.

Something different doesn't always equal, something good.
Serene said:
You are projecting your own preferences on the entire SV viewing audience. Believe it or not, there are places on then internet where Lana is a very loved character. I've heard nasty rumors that she even has a few fans that post here! :eek: ;)

She is a pretty girl. That about sums up her appeal to her fans.
 
DarthSkywalker said:
3. I don't think people would complain at good, strong character development. The problem is that every single thing that happens on Smallville always seems to undo itself or worse, picks something so out of left field it should be obvious, it shouldn't be done.
:up: :up: :up:
 
DarthSkywalker said:
She is a pretty girl. That about sums up her appeal to her fans.

i disagree. i was not a big fan of lana at all 1-4. I thought 5 her character was handled great.

i am a fan of smallville and i object to you telling people what my preferences are.

kindly refrain from so doing in the future.
 
Serene said:
I don't agree about the chemistry. Lois is snarky and funny, and I love the reactions that they write for Clark in his earlier scenes with her. But I just don't feel the onscreen chemistry (romantically) between them. It feels awkward to me, but maybe that will improve as her character becomes closer to Clark.. and we get to know her on a more in-depth level beyond her body and her snark. I think Lois has a LOT more to offer as a well-rounded character, if they decide to go that way.

I thought Clark/TW had the best chemistry with Lana/KK (of course), and with Alicia/SC (whoa, baby!).

I wasnt necessarily speaking to romantic chemistry, just their interactions on screen. They seem to play well together.

I dont know if it's Lana or the writers but her character has always felt awkward to me. With one notable exception and that was in the first 3 eps of season 5.
 

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