BvS The Official Bizarro/Clone of Superman Thread!

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hey guys it looks like there is a good chance bizarro or at least a clone superman plot could be a part of the movie!

lex is proud of his creation

then it turns into this

 

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i could see this as possible in movie http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Bizarro-Batman-V-Superman-Get-Details-102387.html

 

[rogbngp]

We can only guess at this point, but my guess is that if there is a cloned Superman he will not evolve into Doomsday. Here's my best guess (reposted from the Jesse is Lex thread):

Cloning is so central to Kryptonian bio-tech (and the allegory of the fall of Krypton as a cautionary tale) that the military has evidently contracted Lex to reverse-engineer, that I think it has to be central to this story in BvS. This is one reason that a number of fans here felt that some of the scenes and images of a snarling, very ill-tempered Superman (and including a fairly blurry one standing behind Lex when he is apparently Frankenstein-ing his Doomsday creation) might be an evil clone of Superman. If the scout ship has data that was shared from the Black Zero, that should include the Superman's DNA structure from the blood sample Zod's science officer took from Supes.

For Doomsday I'm thinking that Lex used Zod's stem cells, the mysterious blob in the ocean that we see in the first full length trailer, and perhaps fragments of Bertron's code for Doomsday (or maybe even the full code). That speculation is based on these images (including from MoS: a Kryptonian birthing chamber and an 'extra' Easter egg reference to Doomsday):

looks like the blob is being used. I'm wondering if it is a mineral that has organic properties created by the World Engine, which could have some relation to Bertron's DNA code of Doomsday.

This is essentially very much along the lines of Lex's cloning pursuits in the comics, which in the New 52 results in specimen "B-0." And in earlier comic book iterations Lex creates Bizarro soldiers from Zod. (And perhaps the Batman's "Knightmare" desert dream/vision is a kind of premonition of just one of the terrible things what could eventually be done with reverse-engineered Kryptonian cloning tech.)

We have an unmistakable Easter egg in MoS of a Zod/Bizarro connection in this scene:

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But as Filup Molina points out in this excellent analysis of the most recent BvS trailer (see at 14:50),

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Bizarro is a politically incorrect character. So it would make sense to see Bizarro adapted as more of a horror creation a la Frankenstein (who in Mary Shelley's novel is intelligent and tragic, btw).

I don't think Doomsday is Zod's corpse reanimated but rather a whole new creature birthed using Zod's stem cells. He's grown from a fetus in the birthing chamber--and because its Doomsday the growth rate is probably super accelerated. The scar reappearing would just be artistic license, maybe explainable as an anomaly in the process, since Lex is still learning how to make all the Kryptonian tech work.

Anyway, I have little doubt that reverse-engineered Kryptonian cloning tech is absolutely pivotal to the BvS story.

I have my own theory that Batman may be heavily upset about Superman failing to stop the military from giving Lex access that technology. Batman knows that the government simply cannot be trusted with it. But Superman due to his efforts to foster good will with human civilization allows the military to keep the scout ship. Batman knows better.

 

[Fallen Angel]

You should've been paying attention to Amy Adams.

[YT]watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7Omx2CYU6Ks[/YT]

 

[Fallen Angel]

By the way it's not the "offical" anything because this has never been confirmed.

 

[Last Of Krypton]

You could have discussed this in the "speculation" thread.

 

[BH/HHH]

I still believe there is no Bizarro Superman in the film. I believe Doomsday evolves from Zod especially given Shannon's comments about flipper hands so I'd say he's going the mo cap for it. So unless Lex somehow gets Superman's DNA I see no proof of Bizarro.

 

[rogbngp]

You could have discussed this in the "speculation" thread.

Yeah, but then we have to dig back through a longass thread to find something that's peppered with bits of other conversation. Once the stream-of-consciousness flow of conversation in Rumors/Speculations has ebbed on a topic it gets forgotten. Imho individual threads is actually a much better way to go about it.

 

[rogbngp]

You should've been paying attention to Amy Adams.

[YT]watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7Omx2CYU6Ks[/YT]

Heh, call me Captain Obvious but if the cloned Superman theory is borne out, she's actually giving a nod and a wink there. Just saying "wow" if so!

 

[superboy13]

There's no Bizarro in BvS. That Superman behind Lex is just Henry doing his best Dean Cain impression.

 

[Rorschach2012]

If Doomsday is technically Bizarro, I am ok with that. Mostly because it could easily set up Superboy for a later movie. At the time of Bizarro/Doomsdays escape, Lex could be working on a Kryptonian/human hybrid clone of Superman using Supermans and Lexs DNA

 

[Rorschach2012]

The plot of the Cyborg movie could be Cyborg, Nightwing and other future Titans infiltrating Cadmus and discovering multiple superheroes in captivity. They could meet Raven, Beast Boy and Starfire there while Deathstroke (under Lexs orders) attempts to stop them. Ultimately they find Superboy and release him

 

[RadioSha]

The plot of the Cyborg movie could be Cyborg, Nightwing and other future Titans infiltrating Cadmus and discovering multiple superheroes in captivity. They could meet Raven, Beast Boy and Starfire there while Deathstroke (under Lexs orders) attempts to stop them. Ultimately they find Superboy and release him

hmmmmmmm.....

A Cyborg movie that's actually a Teen Titans movie? That could be good.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Heh, call me Captain Obvious but if the cloned Superman theory is borne out, she's actually giving a nod and a wink there. Just saying "wow" if so!

You're Captain Obvious because I'm just having fun because those that know me around here know I like joking around most of the time.


By the way that was back in 2013 during the MOS press junket. So she's known since then.

 

[rogbngp]

I still believe there is no Bizarro Superman in the film. I believe Doomsday evolves from Zod especially given Shannon's comments about flipper hands so I'd say he's going the mo cap for it. So unless Lex somehow gets Superman's DNA I see no proof of Bizarro.

In MoS, when Superman is aboard the Black Zero in a weakened state due to the Kryptonian atmosphere, Zod's science officer takes a blood sample from him. That's how they determine that the Codex in hidden within his cells. Presumably Krypton's super advanced computer AI shares data between ships. So its plausible to me that when Zod comandeers Superman's scout ship at the end of MoS, there may have been some sort of retrievable data exchange between the scout ship and the Black Zero.

So the DNA data for Superman would presumably be stored in the AI database of the scout ship.

It is mind-boggling to me that the scout ship, best we can see from the most recent trailer, ends up in Lex's hands. We can see that Lex gets Zod's corpse from the military, so I think it is a fair assumption that he has access to the scout ship from the military, as he is contracted to reverse-engineer it for them. This means that the Superman has left the ship in the hands of the military. That will prove to be a monumental error in judgment--or at least to have horrifically negative consequences (Lex creating Doomsday), whatever Superman's intentions in doing so. I think that Superman allowing the military to have the scout ship will actually alarm Batman (for good reason), based on his own espionage of A.R.G.U.S.

Interestingly, in the Man of Steel Prequel comic we see that Kryptonian scout ships, by virtue of their advanced bio-tech, apparently have the ability to self-repair or self-heal themselves.

The ship shown in the prequel comic panels above is, by the way, the very ship that is featured in in MoS. If this comic is canon for the DCEU films, the scout ship has therefore already repaired itself once from catastrophic damage.

So my assumption prior to this trailer was that Superman would have taken the self-repaired scout ship and made it into his Fortress of Solitude. I think perhaps we will yet see him do that by the end of BvS. But anyway, it's just crazy to me that Supes allows the military to get their hands on the scout ship, as seems to be the case from the most recent trailer.

Anyway, to sum, in this scenario Lex would have access to the scout ship with its birthing chamber, Superman's DNA, and possibly some or all of Bertron's DNA code for Doomsday. And as we see he has Zod's corpse as well.

If there is a cloned Superman (in addition to a version of Doomsday created from Zod's stem cells) the question becomes how does it advance in age so rapidly to become a full grown Superman of the same age? I'm going to guess that Bertron's DNA code for Doomsday has the creature grow and adapt at an astonishing rate. So maybe there is an acceleration of such a rapid growth strand from Doomsday that Lex splices into the Superman clone...

All speculation, obviously. But personally I love the detective work of trying to identify and piece together various clues such as this in order to guess what the story might feature!

 

[rogbngp]

You're Captain Obvious because I'm just having fun because those that know me around here know I like joking around most of the time.


By the way that was back in 2013 during the MOS press junket. So she's known since then.

Lol, okay, I think I vaguely recall seeing that gif before, now that I think about it.

 

[BH/HHH]

In MoS, when Superman is aboard the Black Zero in a weakened state due to the Kryptonian atmosphere, Zod's science officer takes a blood sample from him. That's how they determine that the Codex in hidden within his cells. Presumably Krypton's super advanced computer AI shares data between ships. So its plausible to me that when Zod comandeers Superman's scout ship at the end of MoS, there may have been some sort of retrievable data exchange between the scout ship and the Black Zero.

So the DNA data for Superman would presumably be stored in the AI database of the scout ship.

It is mind-boggling to me that the scout ship, best we can see from the most recent trailer, ends up in Lex's hands. We can see that Lex gets Zod's corpse from the military, so I think it is a fair assumption that he has access to the scout ship from the military, as he is contracted to reverse-engineer it for them. This means that the Superman has left the ship in the hands of the military. That will prove to be a monumental error in judgment--or at least to have horrifically negative consequences (Lex creating Doomsday), whatever Superman's intentions in doing so. I think that Superman allowing the military to have the scout ship will actually alarm Batman (for good reason), based on his own espionage of A.R.G.U.S.

Interestingly, in the Man of Steel Prequel comic we see that Kryptonian scout ships, by virtue of their advanced bio-tech, have the ability to self-repair or self-heal themselves. So my assumption prior to this trailer was that Superman would have taken the self-repaired scout ship and made it into his Fortress of Solitude. I think perhaps we will yet see him do that by the end of BvS. But anyway, it's just crazy to me that Supes allows the military to get their hands on the scout ship, as seems to be the case from the most recent trailer.

Anyway, to sum, in this scenario Lex would have access to the scout ship with its birthing chamber, Superman's DNA, and possibly some or all of Bertron's DNA code for Doomsday.

If there is a cloned Superman (in addition to a version of Doomsday created from Zod's stem cells) the question becomes how does it advance in age so rapidly to become a full grown Superman of the same age? I'm going to guess that Bertron's DNA code for Doomsday has the creature grow and adapt at an astonishing rate. So maybe there is an acceleration of such a rapid growth strand from Doomsday that Lex splices into the Superman clone...

All speculation, obviously. But personally I love the detective work of trying to identify and piece together various clues such as this in order to guess what the story might feature!

That's abit of a leap I would suggest his blood been on the blac zero is where it remained and that ended up in the PZ.

 

[rogbngp]

That's abit of a leap I would suggest his blood been on the blac zero is where it remained and that ended up in the PZ.

Yeah, it may be a stretch, but its all plausible enough I think. The speculation that there was retrievable data sharing between the Black Zero and the scout ship may be dead wrong. But if you think about it, with technology that sophisticated, probably one of the first things the AI does is absorb whatever data is available. I would expect that all the data from the scout ship was immediately uploaded to the Black Zero, for example. We even see Zod going about something along those lines when he has the conversation with Jor-El's AI-ghost.*

Imho the leap here would be whether any such data exchange is retrievable from the scout ship.

If so, is that really such a stretch?


*And this is a tangent, but I'm really hoping that Jor-El's AI was backed up by Superman somewhere safe, independent of the scout ship. (I.e., when Zod "deletes" Jor-El from the scout ship that's just a local storage deletion from the scout ship itself.) I want to see Russell Crowe return as Jor-El, continuing to interact with Superman in his FoS!

 

[Rorschach2012]

I don't really believe this theory but it's possible. I think Doomsday is just a deformed clone of Zod

 

[rogbngp]

Another point potentially in favor of a clone of Superman is that since it appears that Lex has access to the scout ship, he also has the ship's fabrication data for construction of Superman's uniform.

 

[rogbngp]

Let me also make clear: FWIW, personally, I'm not advocating for, nor do I necessarily want, to see a clone of Superman created by Lex! I don't think it is necessary as a plot device to drive Batman to go on the suicide mission to take Superman down. (I have my a different theory of my own about that.) But there are quite a number of scenes by now in which Superman looks sort of nasty, and evil-like in his facial expressions and body language--and that is just not him. It seems to be more than just being grimly determined and possibly a bit pissed. To me he looks rageful, yes, but also downright nasty, and in the same style that he does in Batman's desert 'Knightmare' dream/vision. So this whole Supes' clone theory is just trying to make sense of that imagery. It would also seem to help explain why Superman seems to be idly standing behind Lex in the scout ship when Lex is having his apparent Victor Frankenstein moment (which seems likely to be the creation of the Doomsday creature).

 

[Rorschach2012]

I think the reason Superman is angrily kneeling is because Lex has captured either Lois or Martha

 

[rogbngp]

I don't really believe this theory but it's possible. I think Doomsday is just a deformed clone of Zod

I just read The Death of Superman comic book, and I have to say: in the comic, seeing how the creature transforms throughout the comic to end up as the final form decked out with bony bladed protrusions... and having started from what more or less looks like the form in the trailer... there is no doubt in my mind that we're getting a form of Doomsday in BvS.

 

[rogbngp]

I think the reason Superman is angrily kneeling is because Lex has captured either Lois or Martha

Yeah, that could very well be the explanation for Superman's scowling expression in that scene. But it would trouble me a bit if so.

Because that is a Superman that lets his emotions and personal feelings and needs take precedence over a more compelling principle and imperative to protect all of human civilization. Placing the welfare of any single person (regardless of whether it is his mother or lover) above that of countless other human beings who are almost sure to be harmed by Lex's creations from Kryptonian bio-tech is incredibly bad form for a superhero! Superman has had some time to grow into the role of being a superhero by the time this story begins (it's either 2 years or 8 months, according to different sources). I just don't see him succumbing to extortion by Lex in such a way. At least I hope not!

 

[Spider-Fan83]

You should've been paying attention to Amy Adams.

[YT]watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7Omx2CYU6Ks[/YT]

she gets that one of them would be deformed and breadline mentally challenged, right?


not exactly the fantasy 3 way she is imagining it to be