BvS The Official Bizarro/Clone of Superman Thread!

[Fallen Angel]

she gets that one of them would be deformed and breadline mentally challenged, right?


not exactly the fantasy 3 way she is imagining it to be

She was going off the interpretation off Superman III because she grew up on those set of Superman movies and her first crush was Christopher Reeve.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

so, one of them being a drunken @ hole, is cool with her? as long as he's still hot... got it

 

[Fallen Angel]

Maybe you should write a strongly worded letter to Amy Adams explaining how you think its' wrong. Don't give me grief bro.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

not sure what part of that you thought was a serious statement?

if you read into it as a real argument or some type of personal attack, that's on you... no one was giving you grief...

was just meant as a joke

sorry, if it across differently then it was meant too, but that was a bit of a over reaction

 

[Fallen Angel]

Sorry dude not having the best of days. Woke up on the wrong side today.

 

[BH/HHH]

Yeah, it may be a stretch, but its all plausible enough I think. The speculation that there was retrievable data sharing between the Black Zero and the scout ship may be dead wrong. But if you think about it, with technology that sophisticated, probably one of the first things the AI does is absorb whatever data is available. I would expect that all the data from the scout ship was immediately uploaded to the Black Zero, for example. We even see Zod going about something along those lines when he has the conversation with Jor-El's AI-ghost.*

Imho the leap here would be whether any such data exchange is retrievable from the scout ship.

If so, is that really such a stretch?

*And this is a tangent, but I'm really hoping that Jor-El's AI was backed up by Superman somewhere safe, independent of the scout ship. (I.e., when Zod "deletes" Jor-El from the scout ship that's just a local storage deletion from the scout ship itself.) I want to see Russell Crowe return as Jor-El, continuing to interact with Superman in his FoS!

I think it's a stretch yeah, especially as they'd have to remind viewers of that and I just don't see them going down that route. I just think the whole Bizarro Superman stuff is only coming up to question certain things like the him (seemingly) kneeling begire Lex and the fact he's behind him in the "Devil will do it scene". Still it's fun to speculate and you're idea is certainly plausible. I just personally don't think there's any evidence to support Bizarro right now.

Agree on the * bit but maybe not until MOS2.

 

[rogbngp]

I think it's a stretch yeah, especially as they'd have to remind viewers of that and I just don't see them going down that route. I just think the whole Bizarro Superman stuff is only coming up to question certain things like the him (seemingly) kneeling begire Lex and the fact he's behind him in the "Devil will do it scene". Still it's fun to speculate and you're idea is certainly plausible. I just personally don't think there's any evidence to support Bizarro right now.

Agree on the * bit but maybe not until MOS2.

There's also the very striking Easter egg salted in MoS, I think that is actually the biggest driver for the Bizarro speculation:

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As we know, an inverted Superman "S" insignia is used by Bizarro traditionally in the comics.

But anyway, there's no way an image like that makes it into a climactic scene like that unless its intentional--especially in the hands of director like Snyder who is so into symbolic visual imagery. At least in my experience with CRPGs, Easter eggs are often salted intentionally as tantalizing clues of things to come in future editions of the game.

It's a loose interpretation of Bizarro, though. I mean, it would not be anything like what we've seen in the comics. It would be more of a Frankenstein monster horror creation in Snyder's hands, I would think.

I guess at the bottom line the only thing I would predict for sure is that the monster will be created through some sort of cloning by Lex. That is a main storyline from the comics, including that he uses Zod's corpse to do it. That is part of the Bizarro origin canon.

 

[BH/HHH]

There's also the very striking Easter egg salted in MoS, I think that is actually the biggest driver for the Bizarro speculation:

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As we know, an inverted Superman "S" insignia is used by Bizarro traditionally in the comics.

But anyway, there's no way an image like that makes it into a climactic scene like that unless its intentional--especially in the hands of director like Snyder who is so into symbolic visual imagery. At least in my experience with CRPGs, Easter eggs are often salted intentionally as tantalizing clues of things to come in future editions of the game.

It's a loose interpretation of Bizarro, though. I mean, it would not be anything like what we've seen in the comics. It would be more of a Frankenstein monster horror creation in Snyder's hands, I would think.

I guess at the bottom line the only thing I would predict for sure is that the monster will be created through some sort of cloning by Lex. That is a main storyline from the comics, including that he uses Zod's corpse to do it. That is part of the Bizarro origin canon.

I think we may get an animated call it Bizarro Zod corpse that evolves into Doomsday I just don't personally think that we're gonna see a Bizarro Superman.

 

[rogbngp]

I think we may get an animated call it Bizarro Zod corpse that evolves into Doomsday I just don't personally think that we're gonna see a Bizarro Superman.

We're actually not very far apart, really. It could be an re-animated corpse of Zod spliced with Doomsday DNA code. That to me feels about as likely as a clone created from just Zod's stem cells. If so, it's apparent that the Doomsday DNA structure would radically alter Zod's corpse to the point of transforming it into Doomsday almost entirely. Notably, he does have heat vision, which Zod had.

If we do see Lex create an evil clone of Superman, I would be reluctant to call that Bizarro. Krypton Inc referred to it as a "gloss" on Bizarro. But I would think that if anything will get nicknamed by Lex as "specimen B-0" in this film it will be the Zod/Doomsday monster, not a clone of Superman.

I'm not convinced there will be an evil clone of Superman, and I'm actually kind of hoping there won't be. But I'd rather see that than a mind-controlled or extorted Superman, I think.

 

[BH/HHH]

We're actually not very far apart, really. It could be an re-animated corpse of Zod spliced with Doomsday DNA code. That to me feels about as likely as a clone created from just Zod's stem cells. If so, it's apparent that the Doomsday DNA structure would radically alter Zod's corpse to the point of transforming it into Doomsday almost entirely. Notably, he does have heat vision, which Zod had.

If we do see Lex create an evil clone of Superman, I would be reluctant to call that Bizarro. Krypton Inc referred to it as a "gloss" on Bizarro. But I would think that if anything will get nicknamed by Lex as "specimen B-0" in this film it will be the Zod/Doomsday monster, not a clone of Superman.

I'm not convinced there will be an evil clone of Superman, and I'm actually kind of hoping there won't be. But I'd rather see that than a mind-controlled or extorted Superman, I think.

 

[egg]

We can only guess at this point, but my guess is that if there is a cloned Superman he will not evolve into Doomsday. Here's my best guess (reposted from the Jesse is Lex thread):

Cloning is so central to Kryptonian bio-tech (and the allegory of the fall of Krypton as a cautionary tale) that the military has evidently contracted Lex to reverse-engineer, that I think it has to be central to this story in BvS. This is one reason that a number of fans here felt that some of the scenes and images of a snarling, very ill-tempered Superman (and including a fairly blurry one standing behind Lex when he is apparently Frankenstein-ing his Doomsday creation) might be an evil clone of Superman. If the scout ship has data that was shared from the Black Zero, that should include the Superman's DNA structure from the blood sample Zod's science officer took from Supes.

For Doomsday I'm thinking that Lex used Zod's stem cells, the mysterious blob in the ocean that we see in the first full length trailer, and perhaps fragments of Bertron's code for Doomsday (or maybe even the full code). That speculation is based on these images (including from MoS: a Kryptonian birthing chamber and an 'extra' Easter egg reference to Doomsday):

looks like the blob is being used. I'm wondering if it is a mineral that has organic properties created by the World Engine, which could have some relation to Bertron's DNA code of Doomsday.

This is essentially very much along the lines of Lex's cloning pursuits in the comics, which in the New 52 results in specimen "B-0." And in earlier comic book iterations Lex creates Bizarro soldiers from Zod. (And perhaps the Batman's "Knightmare" desert dream/vision is a kind of premonition of just one of the terrible things what could eventually be done with reverse-engineered Kryptonian cloning tech.)

We have an unmistakable Easter egg in MoS of a Zod/Bizarro connection in this scene:

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But as Filup Molina points out in this excellent analysis of the most recent BvS trailer (see at 14:50),

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Bizarro is a politically incorrect character. So it would make sense to see Bizarro adapted as more of a horror creation a la Frankenstein (who in Mary Shelley's novel is intelligent and tragic, btw).

I don't think Doomsday is Zod's corpse reanimated but rather a whole new creature birthed using Zod's stem cells. He's grown from a fetus in the birthing chamber--and because its Doomsday the growth rate is probably super accelerated. The scar reappearing would just be artistic license, maybe explainable as an anomaly in the process, since Lex is still learning how to make all the Kryptonian tech work.

Anyway, I have little doubt that reverse-engineered Kryptonian cloning tech is absolutely pivotal to the BvS story.

I have my own theory that Batman may be heavily upset about Superman failing to stop the military from giving Lex access that technology. Batman knows that the government simply cannot be trusted with it. But Superman due to his efforts to foster good will with human civilization allows the military to keep the scout ship. Batman knows better.

you are a great contributor to forums. nice post and pics too ------very interesting stuff!

 

[egg]

agreed. on point

 

[Solidgun]

In MOS Zod activated the birthing chamber in the kryptonian ship, could it be that the ship already made a start on making a kryptonian baby? Lex finds that pod and start experimenting ? just a thought i just had, what do you think?

 

[rogbngp]

In MOS Zod activated the birthing chamber in the kryptonian ship, could it be that the ship already made a start on making a kryptonian baby? Lex finds that pod and start experimenting ? just a thought i just had, what do you think?

I think it's more likely that Lex simply begins researching and figures out how the operate the birthing chamber, and then begins experimenting! It certainly seems that he has been contracted by the military to reverse engineer Kryptonian bio-tech. In the recent faux interview with Daily Planet reporter Ron Troupe Lex references having met with Amanda Waller of A.R.G.U.S.

 

[clarkkent]

Doomsday be like..

 

[egg]

In MOS Zod activated the birthing chamber in the kryptonian ship, could it be that the ship already made a start on making a kryptonian baby? Lex finds that pod and start experimenting ? just a thought i just had, what do you think?

nah, don't think so

 

[ernesth100]

I'm thinking this beast we saw in the trailer is a mixture of Bizarro and Doomsday both.

 

[rogbngp]

I'm thinking this beast we saw in the trailer is a mixture of Bizarro and Doomsday both.

In the sense that in the comics Lex has a history of creating Bizarro from Zod's cells via cloning... I think maybe Snyder will merge the two, somehow... I'm guessing that Zod's body (or even just his stem cells?) will be used to clone a version of Doomsday. Somehow Doomsday seems to get Zod's heat vision (at least it's not a power that Doomsday traditionally has--as far as I know from The Death of Superman comic, anyway). And it almost looks like Doomsday has Zod's scar on the side of his forehead.

 

[Clark-Kent]

So what of evil Superman? Yay or nay?

 

[rogbngp]

So what of evil Superman? Yay or nay?

I will be intrigued to see what the meaning of several of the shots and images of Superman is, in which he looks kind of 'evil' (other than in Batman's nightmare) and when he's standing behind Lex during the "devil will do it scene." Maybe it's not a clone, but if not I just hope that he's not mind-controlled or extorted by Lex.

 

[Clark-Kent]

I will be intrigued to see what the meaning of several of the shots and images of Superman is, in which he looks kind of 'evil' (other than in Batman's nightmare) and when he's standing behind Lex during the "devil will do it scene." Maybe it's not a clone, but if not I just hope that he's not mind-controlled or extorted by Lex.

That blurry shot of Superman behind Lex could either be him catching up to Lex's plan, or evil clone who's working under him

 

[Clark-Kent]

 

[jokesonm3]

I'm thinking this beast we saw in the trailer is a mixture of Bizarro and Doomsday both.

Agreed, thats what im going with here.

Lex tried to create his own 'superman' using Zod's DNA, gone horribly wrong and turned into Doomsday.

 

[rogbngp]

Agreed, thats what im going with here.

Lex tried to create his own 'superman' using Zod's DNA, gone horribly wrong and turned into Doomsday.

Or (!) perhaps the Doomsday element is very deliberate. We see in the MoS Easter egg the scout ship screen that states "Beware Berton's curse, for he is named Doomsday." If Lex has full access to the AI database from the scout ship, then he may actually get his hands on Berton's DNA recipe for Doomsday.

In order for Lex to defeat Superman he needs a creature that is more powerful. Doomsday is like the Hulk, though--pure, savage, uncontrollable destructive fury. So Lex tries to design a Zod/Doomsday hybrid. That is, he would be trying to create a version of Doomsday that is more intelligent and controllable, and using Zod's DNA to do that.

Anyway, in broad strokes I think that is pretty similar to the comic book stories of Luthor creating Bizarro via cloning tech from Zod's corpse. But the mentally challenged traditional version of Bizarro could be interpreted as rendering someone with such a disability a "monster." So we're not going to see that version. Instead the Frankenstein-ish aspect of Bizarro will be emphasized. And not for nothing, in Mary Shelley's version Frankenstein is intelligent. (Shelley's Frankenstein monster is actually a tragic figure; not that I think BvS's Doomsday will be, though.)

 

[jokesonm3]

That.... is really interesting Rogbngp.

Never considered that possibility of Bertrons DNA being in the scout ship.

Nice find. t: