The Official "DC dosent really know what they're doing, do they?" thread

[The Batman]

between Morrison saying "***** countdown and DOTNG", Dixon being booted for no good reason, a year of consistently late books, low sales, and just about in general the mediocrity that has plagued DC since OYL, I think it's safe to say that DC's just about lost it...

 

[Keyser Soze]

Yeah, I think that sometimes.

Then I look at Marvel, and feel a bit better.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yep, DC's in quite a shambles at the moment. I don't know why, although Dixon seems to think it's because DiDio's a bad overlord.

 

[WompuM]

Where did you read this? Have there been more interviews?

 

[The Eagle Host]

They aren't going to get much better if they can't keep their book-saving writers happy.

Where did you read this? Have there been more interviews?

http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/06/16/chuck-dixon-i-did-not-quit/

 

[TheCorpulent1]

They aren't going to get much better if they can't keep their book-saving writers happy.

Well, it's not like Johns'll ever leave. He'll keep a couple of DC's comics afloat if nothing else.

 

[The Eagle Host]

They won't get better, though. Which is a huge problem.

 

[WompuM]

Seems like everyone loves Paul Levitz. He always seems really nice and professional and whenever he blogs at... CBR or newsarama, cant remember which, he actually sounds like a human being unlike Didio, who has has "various levels of success" as an editor.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

They won't get better, though. Which is a huge problem.

True. Robin and BatO are almost certainly going to get worse, in fact. It's a shame; I was just starting to get back into Robin again.

 

[WompuM]

I know how you feel. Almost gets rid of all the good will they built up by bringing back Steph thus reinstating all the bad will they built up in getting rid of Steph.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, Niceiza or whoever's taking over might keep her around. In fact, I think they definitely will for a few issues, at least; after all, it probably takes an issue or two for the new writer to figure out their own direction and how to move all of Dixon's dangling plot threads into that direction. Much like how Dixon's own BatO run was awkward in the beginning, after Bedard was abruptly tossed off the title like a month before it started.

 

[CBG]

Since Robin OYL, I suffered an immense loss of faith in mainstream DC.

Putting Beechen on the Batgirl mini doesn't help.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The solicitations for it don't sound too promising either. I'm worried they're going to make Cassandra run around trying to kill the people she thinks wronged her, which would essentially just be adding insult to injury.

 

[venom892]

I used to buy quite a few DC books.Right Now I'm only enjoying Detective and Green Latern{Although the last two arcs haven't been that awesome.}I'm also reading Batman R.I.P and Final Crisis just so I know what the **** is going on.

 

[The Eagle Host]

I have hope for Batgirl, only because I think Beechen sees this as his chance to prove everyone that said he was a s***ty writer after Robin wrong.

On the other hand, he's introducing yet ANOTHER "Cain child." I'm so tired of that stupid-ass plot gimmick.

 

[fifthfiend]

I don't know that they don't know what they're doing so much as nobody gives a ****.

Like I've actually come to differentiate the two companies as "Marvel doesn't give a **** as long as it sells; DC just doesn't give a ****, period." I mean the former at least has a certain cold logic that I can understand. The latter is just like, "we're gonna wallow around in ****, and if you point out that it's gross and disgusting and unhealthy to wallow around in ****, we're just gonna wallow harder, in even worse ****."

he's introducing yet ANOTHER "Cain child."

And whatever tiny little scrap of reservation I had that this might not suck goes pthbbbbbbt.

 

[Blader5489]

The DCU is a shambles and I place the blame for it squarely on Infinite Crisis (that's where it all began, anyway).

Vertigo is still pretty ****ing awesome, though.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Honestly, I await the day when we have two new EIC's. It certainly can't get much worse at this point than Didio and Joey Q.

Sigh.

 

[CBG]

The solicitations for it don't sound too promising either. I'm worried they're going to make Cassandra run around trying to kill the people she thinks wronged her, which would essentially just be adding insult to injury.

And further hurt her characterization and what was established in her series.

I have hope for Batgirl, only because I think Beechen sees this as his chance to prove everyone that said he was a s***ty writer after Robin wrong.

I can't really share that faith. When Beechen ****ed up, he really ****ed up. For example, the Navajo language bit can't be explained at all without an outright retcon of arguably her entire series.

On the other hand, he's introducing yet ANOTHER "Cain child." I'm so tired of that stupid-ass plot gimmick.

You kind of figure he'd have a new idea instead of beating a useless, dead horse.

If there is at least 1 positive thing about the story, it's using Deathstroke.

However, I imagine David Cain going after Deathstroke for what he did to Cassandra.

It would be interesting -- Cain, even with his old age, is arguably the premier assassin in the world and Deathstroke is the number 1 mercenary.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Outside of Spider-Man, Joe Q's not doing too bad. Given the two publishers' sales, I think it's far likelier that we'll see DiDio replaced long before Joe Q, barring some stroke of genius that gets everyone excited for DC's comics again.

As for Batgirl, I just don't understand the logic behind putting Beechen on that title. There's such a stigma attached to his name where Batgirl is concerned that I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people didn't even bother with the Batgirl mini because of him. I'm sure there must've been one or two well liked creators with relatively big names that DiDio could've tapped. Oh well.

 

[CBG]

As for Batgirl, I just don't understand the logic behind putting Beechen on that title.

The only logic I can think of is giving Beechen a chance to prove himself to us Batgirl readers.

There's such a stigma attached to his name where Batgirl is concerned that I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people didn't even bother with the Batgirl mini because of him. I'm sure there must've been one or two well liked creators with relatively big names that DiDio could've tapped. Oh well.

At this point, I bet any well-red Cassandra Cain reader can do a far better job than Beechen.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Given that none of us would have Cassandra murder anyone, I'm certain we understand her better than Beechen does.

 

[CBG]

The ridiculous reason that why she did so in the first place contradicts her characterization in the closing issues of Batgirl.

Mad Dog was more or less her brother, and she didn't want to kill him. Heck, she didn't resent him.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Exactly. She'd grown beyond needing a father figure to emulate, so the motivation for trusting Slade (which is stupid on any level) was a sham. The fact that she killed people while drugged mitigates that offense, but then it was dashed by the fact that immediately after her head cleared, she tried to kill Slade for... making her kill. Beechen and Johns were just astonishingly bad with Cassandra. There's no two ways about it. Everything they did was crappy and whenever they tried to fix something, they just made it worse.

 

[WompuM]

Who is Didio's direct supierior? Is it Levitz?