The Official Green Lantern Review Thread - Part 5

[Poni_Boy]

Yeah, I think it's time to stop fanning the flames with this guy. I know for a fact that Chewy, Octoberist and my self have articulated detail after detail about what we felt was wrong with this film (just like I see several people doing in this thread) over the past week, but he seems to pretend not to see them and asks for the same "valid points of criticism" over and over and over ad nauseum

It seems he just wants to either annoy or brow beat people down till they say "You're right! Green Lantern rocks!" I'm done playing this game

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The difference is you didn't get the feeling that Thor's mamma had more scenes that got cut. Which is the exact feeling you got as you pondered about Hal's family after the movie. Wasn't there a scene where Hal saves a kid, probably his nephew, in the trailers? The payoff of his nephew's setup obviously got cut.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Besides getting the idea to create a race track. What purpose did they serve besides showing that Hal is not a jerk for coming to his Nephew's party. His family never comes back into play in the entire movie.

I disagree Thor's mother states that Odin always does something for a reason. Not completely necessary but it was a nice scene.

What part of him being irresponsible, didn't care for anyone in the family, their worries, is reckless, shows up late at family reunions, barely has time to wrap his nephew's gift and yet, still shows some humanity by being a father figure to his nephew, a very dominant theme through out the whole movie, you didnt get?

Also, like you mentioned, gave Hal great creative ideas about his constructs, accepting the kid in all of us?

 

[HighFivingMF]

How about this

There is a scene where Hal leaves Earth, goes to the guardians on Oa, and asks for permission to go back to Earth and fight Parallax.

No, he goes to ask for help. They deny him because they're willing to sacrifice Earth while Sinestro masters the yellow ring. Hal decides that he'll try to stop Parallax himself, and asks them to let him save his world to prove that Willpower had the ability to overcome Fear instead of tapping into the yellow power because he's seen what it did to Hector.

 

[Liam_H]

The difference is you didn't get the feeling that Thor's mamma had more scenes that got cut. Which is the exact feeling you got as you pondered about Hal's family after the movie. Wasn't there a scene where Hal saves a kid, probably his nephew, in the trailers? The payoff of his nephew's setup obviously got cut.

Yes I've been wondering about this for awhile. It was back in the teaser trailer and the scene looked complete with effects...at least his suit we don't know what he was stopping... I don't know why they cut it.

Here's a cap of that scene... does anyone know for sure that is his nephew?

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news_gallery/n21778/green_lantern_12899609739927.jpg

 

[Chewy]

No, he goes to ask for help. They deny him because they're willing to sacrifice Earth while Sinestro masters the yellow ring. Hal decides that he'll try to stop Parallax himself, and asks them to let him save his world to prove that Willpower had the ability to overcome Fear instead of tapping into the yellow power because he's seen what it did to Hector.

Which amounts to what I posted.

With the added bonus that the entire Green Lantern Corps has decided to neither work on mastering the yellow power of fear nor help Hal, but instead stand around and watch.

 

[HighFivingMF]

It doesn't look like it to me. I'm guessing he was one of the bunch of kids in that schoolbus when Parallax attacked Coast City.

 

[Rock Sexton]

No, he goes to ask for help. They deny him because they're willing to sacrifice Earth while Sinestro masters the yellow ring. Hal decides that he'll try to stop Parallax himself, and asks them to let him save his world to prove that Willpower had the ability to overcome Fear instead of tapping into the yellow power because he's seen what it did to Hector.

Wow ... the so-called "guardians" of 3600 galaxy sectors are willing to sacrifice Earth while Sinestro masters the ring? That's not convoluted or anything. That is one of my biggest gripes about the film. The Green Lantern Corps' premise is completely contradicted thru lame attempts and showing their weakness to fear (a stupid green net being tossed at him early on) and dialogue stating thus. I can get that in Saturday morning cartoons.

 

[SuperDaniel]

How about this

There is a scene where Hal leaves Earth, goes to the guardians on Oa, and asks for permission to go back to Earth and fight Parallax.

He turned their back on the Corps and the responsibility at first. The Guardians are his masters. He goes to them finally humble, finally accepting his responsibility, and saying that he was willing to sacrifice his life to save his planet, honoring the tittle of GL.

And also, he learned through Hector's experience that the power of Fear corrupts and they shouldn`t use the yellow ring because its dangerous. Sinestro, arrogant as always, defies that.

What didnt you get from the scene?

 

[Liam_H]

What part of him being irresponsible, didn't care for anyone in the family, their worries, is reckless, shows up late at family reunions, barely has time to wrap his nephew's gift and yet, still shows some humanity by being a father figure to his nephew, a very dominant theme through out the whole movie, you didnt get?

Also, like you mentioned, gave Hal great creative ideas about his constructs, accepting the kid in all of us?

If him being a father figure throughout the whole movie is a theme how come he never shows up again?
If that was so important to him you should've had Hal's last scene saying goodbye to his nephew instead of Carol; maybe even show him that he's the GL guy and that he needs to go fight bad guys in space so he'll be gone awhile.

 

[wobbly]

No but THIS IS an example of a character that did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the movie.

His brother and nephew actually served a purpose in the story, the complete opposite of his mother who was JUST THERE.

She didn't do a hellova lot but be honest here, Thor's Mother did more than Hal's Brother, who was just there to scold him briefly, or his nephew, who just expressed his worry over Hal's crash, before both were never seen again in the movie.

Examples of her not just being there: Frigga had an exchange with Loki explaining why she and Odin never told him the truth and why he should always think himself as their son, as that was how they felt about him (Renee conveyed the earnest emotion in that sentiment quite well I thought). In that same exchange she also expressed her hope for Thor's return (that 'there's always a purpose to everything your father does), which in turn sets Loki about preventing that possibility (he goes to Earth to tell Thor Odin is dead and he can never return, as his Mother has forbidden it!)

She also defended Odin in vain against Laufey and had another little exchange with Sif near the end.

Like I said at the start, she didn't do a lot, but to say she was 'just there', the complete opposite of Hal's relatives who served an actual purpose?

No. Disagree for the above reasons.

 

[Rock Sexton]

He turned their back on the Corps and the responsibility at first. The Guardians are his masters. He goes to them finally humble, finally accepting his responsibility, and saying that he was willing to sacrifice his life to save his planet, honoring the tittle of GL.

And also, he learned through Hector's experience that the power of Fear corrupts and they shouldn`t use the yellow ring because its dangerous. Sinestro, arrogant as always, defies that.

What didnt you get from the scene?

BTW that scene where he just "shows up" at the foot steps of the Guardians was another one of those poorly established shots in the film. Very quickly and poorly cut.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Which amounts to what I posted.

With the added bonus that the entire Green Lantern Corps has decided to neither work on mastering the yellow power of fear nor help Hal, but instead stand around and watch.

It doesn't amount to what you posted. You said he flew to Oa to ask for permission to fight Parallax, he didn't. He went to Oa for help, and ended up persuading them not to use the Yellow ring.

The entire Green Lantern Corps didn't stand around and watch. Sinestro was the only other Lantern there. He did show up, albeit after the battle. I imagine the other Lanterns had their own **** going on in their own sectors.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Which amounts to what I posted.

With the added bonus that the entire Green Lantern Corps has decided to neither work on mastering the yellow power of fear nor help Hal, but instead stand around and watch.

What part of the GL, Guardians, losing hope thinking they cant overpower Fear unless they control it you didnt get?

They were cast aside because Hal said so in the movie. He just wanted to try himself because other GLs tried, failed and died. He didnt want them to sacrifice more GL. It was his fight, one that only him could overcome.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Wow ... the so-called "guardians" of 3600 galaxy sectors are willing to sacrifice Earth while Sinestro masters the ring? That's not convoluted or anything. That is one of my biggest gripes about the film. The Green Lantern Corps' premise is completely contradicted thru lame attempts and showing their weakness to fear (a stupid green net being tossed at him early on) and dialogue stating thus. I can get that in Saturday morning cartoons.

Like they said, they measure things over millions (billions?) of years and the fate of the Universe. They felt that's what they had to do.

 

[Rock Sexton]

The entire Green Lantern Corps didn't stand around and watch. Sinestro was the only other Lantern there. He did show up, albeit after the battle. I imagine the other Lanterns had their own **** going on in their own sectors.

See now you're just filling the gaps with your own introspection. What could be more pressing to the entire corps than a planet devouring entity already on the mission to destroy Oa? If there were other things going on then the movie should have explained that, as ridiculous as it would still sound.

 

[HighFivingMF]

See now you're just filling the gaps with your own introspection. What could be more pressing to the entire corps than a planet devouring entity already on the mission to destroy Oa? If there were other things going on then the movie should have explained that, as ridiculous as it would still sound.

OK, fine. Sinestro was still the only one there.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Like they said, they measure things over millions (billions?) of years and the fate of the Universe. They felt that's what they had to do.

After what? After one simple green net is tossed at Parallax's general direction? Again, this comes down to what they're "telling" you and not showing you.

 

[Rock Sexton]

OK, fine. Sinestro was still the only one there.

We only saw that plateau where the Guardians reside. How do we know who was or wasn't still putzing around Oa?

 

[Chewy]

It doesn't amount to what you posted. You said he flew to Oa to ask for permission to fight Parallax, he didn't. He went to Oa for help, and ended up persuading them not to use the Yellow ring.

I did not. I said that he asked for permission to return to Earth, not that he journeyed there for that express purpose.

The entire Green Lantern Corps didn't stand around and watch. Sinestro was the only other Lantern there. He did show up, albeit after the battle. I imagine the other Lanterns had their own **** going on in their own sectors.

The guardians refused to send other Lanterns to Earth to help Hal fight Parallax, stating that they were willing to let Sinestro use the yelow ring instead. They then agreed to let Hal fight Parallax alone instead of letting Sinestro use the yellow ring.

Why are they more comfortable with Hal fighting Parallax alone than multiple Lanterns fighting Parallax? If Sinestro is instructed not to use the yellow ring, it's not as though the guardians have a better backup plan.

 

[HighFivingMF]

We only saw that plateau where the Guardians reside. How do we know who was or wasn't still putzing around Oa?

I didn't mean the entirety of Oa. I meant at the Citadel, within earshot of what was going on.

 

[SuperDaniel]

It was explained that Hal himself told the Guardians to make the GL step aside and let him try to fight parallax himself. It is about Will.

Hal was humble, accepted the GL responsibility and all the sacrifices it comes with it, and in the end, gained the respect from the Guardians, Sinestro and all the corps.

 

[Chewy]

What part of the GL, Guardians, losing hope thinking they cant overpower Fear unless they control it you didnt get?

They were cast aside because Hal said so in the movie. He just wanted to try himself because other GLs tried, failed and died. He didnt want them to sacrifice more GL. It was his fight, one that only him could overcome.

lol you're right. I didn't get any of those things and this movie went right over my head.

 

[SuperDaniel]

We only saw that plateau where the Guardians reside. How do we know who was or wasn't still putzing around Oa?

Dude, Oa is like a police station. They dont live there. They live in their respective sectors. It was clearly shown in the movie.

 

[Supermanreturns]

Yeah, I think it's time to stop fanning the flames with this guy. I know for a fact that Chewy, Octoberist and my self have articulated detail after detail about what we felt was wrong with this film (just like I see several people doing in this thread) over the past week, but he seems to pretend not to see them and asks for the same "valid points of criticism" over and over and over ad nauseum

It seems he just wants to either annoy or brow beat people down till they say "You're right! Green Lantern rocks!" I'm done playing this game

Agreed. But you know, i see that SuperDaniel ignore these kind of posts and answers only what he wants.