The Official Green Lantern Review Thread - Part 5

Can someone tell me why it was wrong for Green Lantern to be a mix of things? If a comic book movie shouldn't be a mix of things in the minds of people then they might as well stop watching comic book movies altogether. I guess that some comic book fans secretly don't like their comic book movies to be 'colorful'. Oh well.

It's not that it was just "colorful." It's that it looked campy and reminded me of a Schumaucher Batman film. You can have "colorful" superhero films that are good. Raimi's Spider-Man flicks, especially the first one, are very colorful and full of humor, but they worked for me. Same with Thor with its color-coded characters and a rainbow bridge. XFC was full of vibrant '60s style and color palates without feeling like an Austin Powers movie.

It's not about what a movie is about, but how it goes about it. I just didn't think GL went about it very well.

Secondly, how was Hector wasted? He challenged Hal, killed his dad, harmed people. And he kidnapped Carol and threatened to inject her with a part of Parallax. Again, someone is reaching to criticize the movie.

He started off as a sympathetic and sad character with an interesting background. Then he just kind of cackled and did basic comic book villain stuff (kidnap the girlfriend). He is then killed off by a CGI blob without ever being fully explored. He had the potential of being an interesting character but the script and film never explored him beyond the surface. He was ultimately nothing but a tool for a distinctly boring CGI villain to use before the climax of the movie.
 
^I think they would. People watch sequels to panned movies all the time. It could just happen that the sequel is such a dark horse smash that it revives the franchise. Provided the problems of GL are fixed, that is. Which obviously requires throwing more money at it and focusing on the otherworldly aspects over the earthly.

That would be a helluva financial risk for WB.

I think there may be a possibility that WB doesn't give up on GL so quickly because of all the merchandising and tie-ins it already has to it. The animated TV show, the toys, the other companies involved etc. It may be why they're trying so hard to see the positive side to all this.
 
I think there may be a possibility that WB doesn't give up on GL so quickly because of all the merchandising and tie-ins it already has to it. The animated TV show, the toys, the other companies involved etc. It may be why they're trying so hard to see the positive side to all this.

And really, who can fault them for wanting to have some PMA on it? They, and we, know there's a ton of potential in GL. I'd rather root for a sequel than call for an equally risky reboot when so much of GL was right from FX to casting.
 
I had yet to fully emphasize my problems with the movie so I'm just going to do it now.

1. The concept of "Will vs. Fear". Now I'm not familiar with the GL mythology. I just knew who he was. However, this concept to someone like myself is akin to "The Force" in Star Wars, leaving it in an unenviable position and sounding like a cheap knock-off. Star Wars went to great lengths in the original trilogy to unveil the mythos. The "Will vs. Fear" issue in GL was simply just forcefully shoved down the audiences' throats.

2. Show me don't tell me. This film suffers a great deal from this fatal cinematic flaw in almost every single relationship there is. Now, there's only so much time (another issue with this film) to tell all the stories, but certain instances wouldn't be so badly received if it wasn't for the fact that an overwhelming amount of them are.

- Hector's relationship to Hal and Carol (just pops up nowhere at a banquet, aside from that little newspaper clip of Carol that regular audience members have no idea why it's there)
- Hector's relationship to his father (simply told from mind reading)
- Sinestro's relationship to Abin Sur (This was a guy Sinestro idolized, they just simply had Sinestro say it)
- Hal's noble side (simply depicted out of the mouth of his nephew)
- Hal's feeling towards Carol (the movie starts out with him with in bed with another woman and then all of the sudden a bar scene is shown with him pouring his heart out)
- Hal's relationship to his father (Either we should've been shown the relationship or the flashbacks should've been pieced together throughout the film to create the more important picture).

3. Lack of character development. Character's like Abin Sur and Sinestro became throw aways. Personally, I would've rather watched those two guys than Reynold's Hal Jordan. In Abin Sur's case, it was a travesty he didn't get more screen time to indoctrinate the audience as to why his death would send such ripple affects thru the Green Lanterns and why Hal had so much to live up to. Sinestro simply tells you. The entire Corps was a cheap plot moving device. Tomar-Re and Kilowog were mere hosts at the Corps restaurant.

4. The film suffers from two separate movies about daddy issues being depicted thru the first two acts - a film about Hal and a film about Hector.

5. The Villains. Hector Hammond is a problem as a villain. Aesthetically he's just awful to look at, to the point where it's just pure cheese. He looked like a child rapist mixed with Eric from "Mask". Oh and that screaming of his!?!?! The only thing saving Parallax from being one of the all-time worst Villains is the fact that he had a face ..... He would've served much better as an entity like he was shown when first discovered locked away instead a giant mass of floating turd. It was Galactus all over again (as pointed out thousands of times).

6. Not enough imagination. You know, for something as powerful as that ring, I was surprised at the lack of creativity in it's usage. One scene in the movie left me absolutely baffled and that was as Sinestro was leading other Corps members to battle Parallax. Those other Corps member simply fired their rings off to build a net and that was it. That's the best they could do? I mean I understand they were trying to save Hal's fight with Parallax as the climax, but that scene really undermined how powerful this group is supposed to be.

There were also two fight scenes that suffered from horrible dialogue ..... the fight where Hector and Hal are laying on the floor. The other where Parallax is giving Hal his thesis on how he's going to end his world in which Hal forcefully recites the oath. Both were just so lackluster.

7. Transitions were rocky. For example Hal's initial arrival Oa. He gets his speech from Sinestro about how he's unworthy, then in the next scene he's walking in his thru his front door dressed in street clothes. Films like Superman and Thor, these guys with flying abilities you always saw them coming or going.

8. Length. This movie easily needed another 30mins minimum because of the sheer amount of relationships.

9. Ryan Reynolds. Here's my issue with his casting. We all know Ryan plays the same role in almost every film. He's an uninspired choice because he's not "acting" .... They would've been better served using someone who's not known for womanizing and being cocky that way the audience doesn't feel like they're watching Van Wilder with a ring.

10. More of Oa should've been shown and less of Earth. In order to get the audience to connect with Hal, he should've been a stranger in a strange land more often so that they feel they are right there with him.
 
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Abin Sur's never been developed very well in the origin stories. It was condensed, but they at least set him up as the only GL that could previously defeat Parallax so when Parallax broke loose he went after Abin Sur and fatally injured him.

In Secret Origin he goes to Earth after hearing some prophesy of the Blackest Night stuff, which was based off an Tales of the GL Corps comic from 1986. He gets no real development in First Flight either. Nor in the original origin story. Hal's usually just zipped out to the desert by a green light and he finds Abin dying.

And, yeah, Hector Hammond sucks. Even in comics.
 
Abin Sur's never been developed very well in the origin stories. It was condensed, but they at least set him up as the only GL that could previously defeat Parallax so when Parallax broke loose he went after Abin Sur and fatally injured him.

In Secret Origin he goes to Earth after hearing some prophesy of the Blackest Night stuff, which was based off an Tales of the GL Corps comic from 1986. He gets no real development in First Flight either. Nor in the original origin story. Hal's usually just zipped out to the desert by a green light and he finds Abin dying.

And, yeah, Hector Hammond sucks. Even in comics.

It's too bad too because I felt there was more opportunity there to utilize Abin Sur.

Ya man, Hector is awful. I remember when I started seeing production stills and whatnot, it was hard for me to take the villain seriously just from his looks alone. He came off more like a super-powered crackhead then a super villain in the film.
 
Abin Sur's never been developed very well in the origin stories. It was condensed, but they at least set him up as the only GL that could previously defeat Parallax so when Parallax broke loose he went after Abin Sur and fatally injured him.

They didn't set it up, they just told us. Just like at the end when Sinestro says Hal is brash and opinionated, "just like Abin-Sur." Would've been nice to have seen that.
 
Hammond was the only character I enjoyed in the film. His scene with GL on the floor was great.

His death was a waste, tho. The guy was a hell of a lot more interesting than Parallax.
 
It's not that it was just "colorful." It's that it looked campy and reminded me of a Schumaucher Batman film. You can have "colorful" superhero films that are good. Raimi's Spider-Man flicks, especially the first one, are very colorful and full of humor, but they worked for me. Same with Thor with its color-coded characters and a rainbow bridge. XFC was full of vibrant '60s style and color palates without feeling like an Austin Powers movie.

A Schumacher Batman film? Where? When?

And people keep saying Hector Hammond was useless. Not so. Hector Hammond is a direct example of how the light of fear corrupts. He's a parallell to what happened to Parallax, and he's a pre-Sinestro. Sort of a Mark I.
 
I had yet to fully emphasize my problems with the movie so I'm just going to do it now.

1. The concept of "Will vs. Fear". Now I'm not familiar with the GL mythology. I just knew who he was. However, this concept to someone like myself is akin to "The Force" in Star Wars, leaving it in an unenviable position and sounding like a cheap knock-off. Star Wars went to great lengths in the original trilogy to unveil the mythos. The "Will vs. Fear" issue in GL was simply just forcefully shoved down the audiences' throats.

2. Show me don't tell me. This film suffers a great deal from this fatal cinematic flaw in almost every single relationship there is. Now, there's only so much time (another issue with this film) to tell all the stories, but certain instances wouldn't be so badly received if it wasn't for the fact that an overwhelming amount of them are.

- Hector's relationship to Hal and Carol (just pops up nowhere at a banquet, aside from that little newspaper clip of Carol that regular audience members have no idea why it's there)
- Hector's relationship to his father (simply told from mind reading)
- Sinestro's relationship to Abin Sur (This was a guy Sinestro idolized, they just simply had Sinestro say it)
- Hal's noble side (simply depicted out of the mouth of his nephew)
- Hal's feeling towards Carol (the movie starts out with him with in bed with another woman and then all of the sudden a bar scene is shown with him pouring his heart out)
- Hal's relationship to his father (Either we should've been shown the relationship or the flashbacks should've been pieced together throughout the film to create the more important picture).

3. Lack of character development. Character's like Abin Sur and Sinestro became throw aways. Personally, I would've rather watched those two guys than Reynold's Hal Jordan. In Abin Sur's case, it was a travesty he didn't get more screen time to indoctrinate the audience as to why his death would send such ripple affects thru the Green Lanterns and why Hal had so much to live up to. Sinestro simply tells you. The entire Corps was a cheap plot moving device. Tomar-Re and Kilowog were mere hosts at the Corps restaurant.

4. The film suffers from two separate movies about daddy issues being depicted thru the first two acts - a film about Hal and a film about Hector.

5. The Villains. Hector Hammond is a problem as a villain. Aesthetically he's just awful to look at, to the point where it's just pure cheese. He looked like a child rapist mixed with Eric from "Mask". Oh and that screaming of his!?!?! The only thing saving Parallax from being one of the all-time worst Villains is the fact that he had a face ..... He would've served much better as an entity like he was shown when first discovered locked away instead a giant mass of floating turd. It was Galactus all over again (as pointed out thousands of times).

6. Not enough imagination. You know, for something as powerful as that ring, I was surprised at the lack of creativity in it's usage. One scene in the movie left me absolutely baffled and that was as Sinestro was leading other Corps members to battle Parallax. Those other Corps member simply fired their rings off to build a net and that was it. That's the best they could do? I mean I understand they were trying to save Hal's fight with Parallax as the climax, but that scene really undermined how powerful this group is supposed to be.

There were also two fight scenes that suffered from horrible dialogue ..... the fight where Hector and Hal are laying on the floor. The other where Parallax is giving Hal his thesis on how he's going to end his world in which Hal forcefully recites the oath. Both were just so lackluster.

7. Transitions were rocky. For example Hal's initial arrival Oa. He gets his speech from Sinestro about how he's unworthy, then in the next scene he's walking in his thru his front door dressed in street clothes. Films like Superman and Thor, these guys with flying abilities you always saw them coming or going.

8. Length. This movie easily needed another 30mins minimum because of the sheer amount of relationships.

9. Ryan Reynolds. Here's my issue with his casting. We all know Ryan plays the same role in almost every film. He's an uninspired choice because he's not "acting" .... They would've been better served using someone who's not known for womanizing and being cocky that way the audience doesn't feel like they're watching Van Wilder with a ring.

10. More of Oa should've been shown and less of Earth. In order to get the audience to connect with Hal, he should've been a stranger in a strange land more often so that they feel they are right there with him.
Great review!
Pretty Spot on. A lot of folks chose to ignore lots of the story telling flaws in this movie. The movie cost $200mil. It should have had a very tight script! Theres NO excuse.
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Great review!
Pretty Spot on. A lot of folks chose to ignore lots of the story telling flaws in this movie. The movie cost $200mil. It should have had a very tight script! Theres NO excuse.
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Admittedly I haven't seen GL and I've had no problem liking very flawed films, but I agree with you. I keep seeing people saying things like 'it wasn't as bad as people said' as though this is some sort of achievement. Maybe it isn't bad, hell maybe it is good...but for the time and money invested, couldn't it have been so much better than that?

You can like a film and admit that it could've been better.
 
Yikes. GL had a pretty big drop in its second week, coming in third.
 
And people keep saying Hector Hammond was useless. Not so. Hector Hammond is a direct example of how the light of fear corrupts. He's a parallell to what happened to Parallax, and he's a pre-Sinestro. Sort of a Mark I.

Wasn't that illustrated better with Parallax, one of the guardians, being overcome by fear? In fact it's more effective to learn a mighty Guardian could be overpowered by fear rather then a rather pathetic human being. And I don't find it to be much of a reveal that a human being could be corrupted by fear, much less a guy like Hammond who doesn't have much going for him.

Hector Hammond was completely useless.
 
A Schumacher Batman film? Where? When?

And people keep saying Hector Hammond was useless. Not so. Hector Hammond is a direct example of how the light of fear corrupts. He's a parallell to what happened to Parallax, and he's a pre-Sinestro. Sort of a Mark I.

I said this was not as bad as B&R, but when asked if I was saying being colorful was a criticism, I responded by saying the way it went about it came off as childish, shallow and silly--that reminded me of Schumacuher's Batman style. Though the film itself does not remind me of how Schumaucher handled Batman as a whole.

Hector was useless because he is the only character who is well developed and we actually feel both pity for the guy and are reviled by him at the same time. It probably helps that Sarsgard, along with Strong, was the best live-action performer in the film. His scene with Hal on the floor was good....but it leads nowhere. He kidnaps the girl (yawn) and then gets killed off by Galactu.....er, Parallax. A huge CGI villain is simply boring. I recall on the Blade DVD that Norrington shows the original ending where Frost became a CGI blood monster/blob and they replaced it, because when the actor disappears the audience loses interest. GL missed that very obvious lesson.
 
And one more thing on Parallax and the GL mythology as presented in the film as a whole....

I know little about the DC universe beyond Batman and the side characters who surround his mythology (Nightwing, Oracle, Terry, etc.), so GL had to sell me on these concepts like the GA. While I know that the ponderous nature of DC mythology can be distilled into a way for non-fans to appreciate (like by Paul Dini and Bruce Timm's work), it is still overtly cold and inhuman, IMO in a lot of ways. A big problem this film had in selling it was it just came out and said these ridiculous things without exploring them in a satisfying way.

"There is good and evil derived from 'will and fear.' Will is green and fear is yellow."
Okay....why?
"NO TIME TO EXPLAIN! There are these Guardians who made a GL Corps of superheroes with magical green rings who police the galaxy. There it is. Fin."
What?

And then we just see these god-like beings called "guardians" sitting there and passing down "wisdom" on the main characters and it is all just very silly. There is no humanity to it to make us care about Oa or the Corps or any of it. It is all very ponderous and unapproachable. Thor dealt with a similarly dense and overly geeky mythology and distilled it in a way that made sense and was enjoyable. I still don't quite get how the BiFrost worked or how these nine dimensions are connected and if there should be more (string theory and all, which seems to be Marvel's explanation for Norse gods walking around)....but I liked Thor and got the very primal familial psychologies Branagh used to drive the story in the relationship of Thor, Odin and Lokie. Plus, it was just fun.

Just a thought.
 
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It was never explained in the comics so i dont know WTF is the problem. Maybe GL isnt for you, then.

BTW, GL is better than Thor.

And it was actually explained that the Guardians were immortals, one of the first species of life EVER, so they ponder their decisions over milleniums. They were always cold like that in the comics.

There's plenty of humanity and character in the movie. It is very defined in the movie. Maybe you just didnt see it but it was quite clear that:

-Sinestro is the confident, master, arrogant warrior who believes he can master any power, yellow or green.

-Tomar-Re is the smart, receptive one.

-Kilowog is the Drill Sargent

And the humanity is brought from Hal who is lost among all these alien species and responsibility.

Hal had a clear arc in the movie, he was the irresponsible, reckless guy who didnt care for anything in life, is bestowed this enormous responsibility and learns to be a hero when the people who he cares and his world are in danger.

Hector even says: "You changed Hal"

The minute Hal puts on the ring and saves the people from the party, he becomes the Green Lantern of Sector 2814.

Maybe you`ve seen the wrong movie.
 
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It was never explained in the comics so i dont know WTF is the problem. Maybe GL isnt for you, then.

It's clearly not for a lot of people judging by its box office. Apparently people demand more than vanilla, a bunch high-priced CGI, and extravagant marketing.

BTW, GL is better than Thor.

Sorry but ..... Box office! Critics and GA ratings! Scoreboard!
 
GL better than Thor? Not sure your opinion is in the majority there.
 
Who gives a crap about what the box office results are? All I care is that I enjoyed the movie. A LOT.

And the audiences is becoming dumber and dumber since they apparently can't follow a movie that jumps around and actually explains everything that is happening on screen and now they blame on editing as if they were all master filmmakers :rolleyes:
 
Who gives a crap about what the box office results are? All I care is that I enjoyed the movie. A LOT.

And the audiences is becoming dumber and dumber since they apparently can't follow a movie that jumps around and actually explains everything that is happening on screen and now they blame on editing as if they were all master filmmakers :rolleyes:

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