The Official Green Lantern Review Thread - Part 5

[DaveMoral]

Difference between her an Fury to this point: Fury has yet to be owned like Waller was.

To be fair to Waller, Fury has been pretty far away from the action in all these pre-Avengers films. Like, really far away. It's like he lost that eye and was like "screw this, I'm not going to be an actual badass anymore, I'll just look like one."

 

[Spider-Fan]

To be fair to Waller, Fury has been pretty far away from the action in all these pre-Avengers films. Like, really far away. It's like he lost that eye and was like "screw this, I'm not going to be an actual badass anymore, I'll just look like one."

This is true, but Waller also never had a moment where she totally owned the room or made it seem like she was a dominant person. Fury, though briefly in the MCU films, has had those moments. He actually stole a scene from Tony Stark! And he had less screentime in IM2 than Waller did. Waller, if that was DC's goal, needed a moment where the hero got owned verbally or somehow by her. But, we didn't get that. Thus, she didn't leave us with any kind of impression.

 

[DaveMoral]

This is true, but Waller also never had a moment where she totally owned the room or made it seem like she was a dominant person. Fury, though briefly in the MCU films, has had those moments. He actually stole a scene from Tony Stark! And he had less screentime in IM2 than Waller did. Waller, if that was DC's goal, needed a moment where the hero got owned verbally or somehow by her. But, we didn't get that. Thus, she didn't leave us with any kind of impression.

I'll give you that. Fury has a definite presence. He was just never in a position for Whiplash to nearly kill him.

 

[wobbly]

Kicking someone's ass because they are acting like a jackass is not an intervention. An intervention is a very emotional event that stirs up all kinds of feelings such as anger, resentment, and often leads everyone involved in tears. Fury putting him on house arrest is not a detox and yes alcoholics do go through a detox. The side effects aren't as severe as let's say a heroine detox However they are still there and we've all seen movies of perfectly good detox scenes and interventions that would of worked perfectly fine in this movie. I would of left the theater feeling like wow Marvel was really bold tackling a real issue with someone like Stark. It would of instantly made the movie more dark, more real and more gritty.

Furthermore being real and gritty isn't using a real life tech to make it seem more grounded, its about dealing with real life issues that the everyman face in our lives. That is what makes a movie more real and more gritty in my eyes

What?
Stark was drinking a lot in the face of his imminent demise, but he wasn't a full blown alcoholic by any means. Seriously, getting steaming drunk on his birthday does not make him an alcoholic.

Have him with the night sweats, the shakes, hiding his drinking and pouring vodka on his cornflakes, etc. Then you have a case.

They have yet to go for the 'Demon in a Bottle' storyline, and not sure they will anytime soon.

 

[DaveMoral]

What?
Stark was drinking a lot in the face of his imminent demise, but he wasn't a full blown alcoholic by any means. Seriously, getting steaming drunk on his birthday does not make him an alcoholic.

Have him with the night sweats, the shakes, hiding his drinking and pouring vodka on his cornflakes, etc. Then you have a case.

They have yet to go for the 'Demon in a Bottle' storyline, and not sure they will anytime soon.

They should have done that, because that's why I thought RDJ was good for the role in the first place. He knows, intimately, what that's like.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I'll give you that. Fury has a definite presence. He was just never in a position for Whiplash to nearly kill him.

This is true. I think after Waller got attacked by Hammond, she needed another scene. Have that moment where she owns the room with some gov't people. But, she never comes back. It was a bad decision to make that out lasting impression of her.

 

[wobbly]

They should have done that, because that's why I thought RDJ was good for the role in the first place. He knows, intimately, what that's like.

In the context of that story I'm glad they didn't go for it then. I think his descent into alcoholism should be, as it is for most who wind up that way, a slower progression from a coping mechanism to god awful dependence.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

It wasn't as outright bad as I was expecting, but it was very average and edited poorly.

 

[Paradox1]

What?
Stark was drinking a lot in the face of his imminent demise, but he wasn't a full blown alcoholic by any means. Seriously, getting steaming drunk on his birthday does not make him an alcoholic.

Have him with the night sweats, the shakes, hiding his drinking and pouring vodka on his cornflakes, etc. Then you have a case.

They have yet to go for the 'Demon in a Bottle' storyline, and not sure they will anytime soon.

Stark was drinking Vodka for breakfast in part 1, am I suppose to believe from part one to two he suddenly changed.Prior to the release of the movie the director Jon Faverau mentioned in a interview I saw that he was saying they were looking to go the route of "Demon in the Bottle". I'm guessing Marvel backed off this approach because it wouldn't be appropriate for the PG-13 rating they were aiming for.

 

[Crimson King]

Stark was drinking Vodka for breakfast in part 1, am I suppose to believe from part one to two he suddenly changed.Prior to the release of the movie the director Jon Faverau mentioned in a interview I saw that he was saying they were looking to go the route of "Demon in the Bottle". I'm guessing Marvel backed off this approach because it wouldn't be appropriate for the PG-13 rating they were aiming for.

It wasn't Marvel. Favreau said he didn't want to do Demon In A Bottle. This is as close as he wanted to go.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Stark was drinking Vodka for breakfast in part 1, am I suppose to believe from part one to two he suddenly changed.Prior to the release of the movie the director Jon Faverau mentioned in a interview I saw that he was saying they were looking to go the route of "Demon in the Bottle". I'm guessing Marvel backed off this approach because it wouldn't be appropriate for the PG-13 rating they were aiming for.

That was as far as Favs wanted to go with Demon in a Bottle. While the Tony Stark alcoholic storyline is one of his better stories, I think the ship has sailed on doing it in IM3. IM2 probably was the time to do it, but I am not angry they never went that route myself. The lack of Demon in a Bottle wasn't a problem for IM2. IM2 I think had a good sequel idea. It just needed to let the arcs materialize more (I liked IM2, but I do acknowledge it is flawed).

 

[Raiden]

They should have done that, because that's why I thought RDJ was good for the role in the first place. He knows, intimately, what that's like.

They might've considered it, but it will make IM2 a bit too dark and led the audience down to an uncomfortable path of watching the main protagonist self-destruct. IM movies can have dark moments, but what you are describing would've pushed the envelope way too far. I do think they should've gone more for the Demon in the Bottle storyline, but I can understand why they won't.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Iron Man is the most overrated comic book ever. It's not THAT GOOD. The villain is pretty pathetic, imo. Maybe its Americans that love it so much because of the army themes...

Yes, GL is in that same level, imo, and so is Spider-man and X-men. BB is better than all of them as origin movies just because the cast is better and it is way more epic. Still not great as S:TM, X2 or Dark Knight. Let's see where Man of Steel, Amazing Spider-man and Captain America are going to be.

 

[Liam_H]

Iron Man is the most overrated comic book ever. It's not THAT GOOD. The villain is pretty pathetic, imo. Maybe its Americans that love it so much because of the army themes...

Yes, GL is in that same level, imo, and so is Spider-man and X-men. BB is better than all of them as origin movies just because the cast is better and it is way more epic. Still not great as S:TM, X2 or Dark Knight. Let's see where Man of Steel, Amazing Spider-man and Captain America are going to be.

Your over generalizations of people is getting close to the point of being really insulting. Did everybody not like GL because we have an aversion to extraterrestrials?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Iron Man is the most overrated comic book ever. It's not THAT GOOD. The villain is pretty pathetic, imo. Maybe its Americans that love it so much because of the army themes...

Yes, GL is in that same level, imo, and so is Spider-man and X-men. BB is better than all of them as origin movies just because the cast is better and it is way more epic. Still not great as S:TM, X2 or Dark Knight. Let's see where Man of Steel, Amazing Spider-man and Captain America are going to be.

The 266 and 309 millions dollars Iron Man and Iron Man 2 made in foreign markets say it was more popular outside the US than you seem to think.

 

[EliteF50]

Iron Man is the most overrated comic book ever. It's not THAT GOOD. The villain is pretty pathetic, imo. Maybe its Americans that love it so much because of the army themes...

Yes, GL is in that same level, imo, and so is Spider-man and X-men. BB is better than all of them as origin movies just because the cast is better and it is way more epic. Still not great as S:TM, X2 or Dark Knight. Let's see where Man of Steel, Amazing Spider-man and Captain America are going to be.

I agree completely with this post, but I think BB is better than TDK. But yeah, IM wasn't that good.

 

[HighFivingMF]

The 266 and 309 millions dollars Iron Man and Iron Man 2 made in foreign markets say it was more popular outside the US than you seem to think.

Americans take vacations.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Americans take vacations.

LOL!!!! That made me laugh t:

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Iron man uses the same origin formula, but executes it the best. Next to Superman the movie that is.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Iron Man is in NO WAY in the level of S:TM. NO WAY! Or even BB.

 

[SuperDaniel]

The 266 and 309 millions dollars Iron Man and Iron Man 2 made in foreign markets say it was more popular outside the US than you seem to think.

It is a good, fun movie. But i don't see foreign people praising as it is the holy grail of comic book adaptations like i see it in these boards.

 

[Rock Sexton]

It is a good, fun movie. But i don't see foreign people praising as it is the holy grail of comic book adaptations like i see it in these boards.

No offense but there's a lot of things you don't see.

 

[Spider-Fan]

It is a good, fun movie. But i don't see foreign people praising as it is the holy grail of comic book adaptations like i see it in these boards.

At the same time, your circle of friends and people you talk to don't represent the entire foreign populace. I am not saying IM1 is the best comic movie ever of foreign markets feel it is. But, you seem to think IM1 and IM2 are just an American thing. But, the sequel to IM1 made over 300mil in foreign markets. So, someone had to like IM1.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Never said is JUST an American thing. But its definitely a consequence of American Army propaganda all over the world.

War against terrorists in some weird middle east country...

 

[Spider-Fan]

Never said is JUST an American thing. But its definitely a consequence of American Army propaganda all over the world.

War against terrorists in some weird middle east country...

The war on terror was part of IM1, yes. But, not the prime focus of it. The movie isn't army propoganda. The film directly condemns war profiteering. It doesn't champion the army or anything.