The Official Marc Guggenheim & Script Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[Octoberist]

the bank robbery scene needs to be..changed. it's too "Tim Story" for me.

 

[protocida]

Agreed.

If you think about it, why would Hector even bother to steal a bank? He can force the the employees to give him the money.

 

[MadVillainy]

along with the bank robbery scene I agree they should add a little more to some of the characters

 

[Doctor Jones]

I never get why super villains rob banks at all.

Do you really think someone with super powers is gonna walk into a place and pay for it. I mean it defeats the purpose of stealing when you're gonna eventually pay for it anyway. That's why I never got the Doc Ock bank sequence in SM2.

 

[MadVillainy]

He was using it to fund his research thats what they do sometimes and other times they just need money so they steal

 

[protocida]

Doc Ock needed money to rebuilt the machine, and robbing money to pay it would be easier than steal all the components.

 

[protocida]

Marc Guggehein (X-men Origins: Wolverine) talked about Green Lantern in a interview for CBR.com. It's on video. Here's the Link:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21006

Here are the tidbits:

- He said Warner is avoiding to release too much information because of the fans reactions. If they reveal too much, there's too much negativity about the project even before the filming starts. He said that, if the Internet existed in that time, Michael Keaton would never be Batman because of the fan blacklash. Green Lantern is the most secret project he has ever worked in.

- He also talked about Joss Whedon's declarations that Marvel characters are easier to relate than DC characters. He said he agrees with the parallel Whedon made, but he doesn't think such dificulty exists. He said each character, either Marvel or DC, carries his own challenges. In Hal Jordan's case, there we're plenty. He had drinking problems, in the 80's and 90's he didn't followed orders, in Geoff Johns run he couldn't control his angers, etc. Those problems help the reader to identify with the character, and are traits normally associated with Marvel Comics.

- He also talked about Hal's characterization in the movie: "His essence is his heart. It's through his feelings he manifests his powers with the ring".

It's a good watch.

 

[dnno1]

I agree with him on all points. Back in the day, there were lots of people who were shocked at the choice of Michael Keaton as Batman. You could hear the buzz in comic shops. In my opinion, it was the excellent marketing campaign that sold that film. As far as the Whedon rebuttal, DC characters have very subtle problems. I find them to be looked up to a gods and with that, the perception of perfection. In truth, there are issues and they have been exploited over the years. You can tell from the interview that Gugenhiem has done his research on the character since he was probably too young to know about the character during his run in the 1970's.

 

[protocida]

I think DC characters are as relateable as Marvel's. If not more.

 

[Octoberist]

marc was involved with WOlverine?

 

[Webhead2006]

Sounds like good things for the film.

 

[protocida]

marc was involved with WOlverine?

I believe he wrote the Japan after-credits scene.

 

[Octoberist]

haha. that's it? maybe the best writing to the entire movie.

 

[protocida]

He also wrote the videogame.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I don't entirely agree with what he said.

There was a huge backlash when Ledger was cast in yet Nolan stuck to his guns. Backlash shouldn't do that to a film. The director should be confident enough to go forward to what he's doing as long as it's in his gut to do so.

 

[Dev]

I think DC characters are as relateable as Marvel's. If not more.

I disagree with that. Marvel's characters have more conflict, witty, sarcasm etc... things that people like in a character when they watch a movie. They also have alot of common origins which is some scientist experimenting on himself or an accident. This is what the audience like which is typical predictable stories and character behaviors. This is why Marvel has the reputation of being relatable and DC has the reputation of being boring.

 

[REDophile]

Good find, protocida. Hal Jordan of all the DC characters is deeply human in contrast to the power he receives as a GL. Barry Allen is a very everday character, another contrast to the Flash, him being frequently late. Whedon should have thought a bit more before he said what he did.

 

[protocida]

The backlash always affects the film. The Dark Knight, by example, overcame them, while Justice League: Mortal didn't.

 

[protocida]

I disagree with that. Marvel's characters have more conflict, witty, sarcasm etc... things that people like in a character when they watch a movie. They also have alot of common origins which is some scientist experimenting on himself or an accident. This is what the audience like which is typical predictable stories and character behaviors. This is why Marvel has the reputation of being relatable and DC has the reputation of being boring.

They have it now. Initially, even Marvel characters, with their flaws, we're very "boring". It was not a DC trait, it was a 60's trait. Marvel's might be less than DC's, but it was there. And, with the time, that was dissapearing, as writers added more layers to those heroes and villains.

 

[Dev]

^Hmmmm. I now realized something. Most of the threads in this forum has the the last post by you. Post much?

 

[protocida]

I Like to participate.

 

[greenlantern248]

Great find Proto, you always do come up with good threads.

Your right the backlash doesn't always hurt a movie, and really sometimes directors don't even listen, I remember seeing a bunch of heat for Affleck playing Daredevil and he stilled played him.

 

[protocida]

I agree. The secret is ignore it.

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea and another reason they probably dont want things getting revealed so is because they are still many months away from first unit filming started so they probably dont want things to fall apart.

 

[dnno1]

I don't entirely agree with what he said.

There was a huge backlash when Ledger was cast in yet Nolan stuck to his guns. Backlash shouldn't do that to a film. The director should be confident enough to go forward to what he's doing as long as it's in his gut to do so.

There was? My take on that was that there was a huge following behind the Ledger as Joker angle. The only backlash (or rather fear) was when he turned up dead and a lot of fans thought that the entire project would be down the tubes as a result (of course it didn't turn out that way).