X-Men The Official MCU X-Men News and Discussion Thread

[psylockolussus]

Why would every episode of an X-Men show need a highway chase scene or Sentinels? Thats like saying every episode of Game of Thrones needs a massive Dragon fight.

There's a large difference between trying to render a realistic looking 8ft Green human than a power. Secret Invasion had a movie budget and still looked like crap. $11mill an episode isnt going to be looking like a cheap television show from The CW. The look of a show is reliant on the people behind the camera. Star Trek Discovery cost $8mill an episode and I dare you to say that it looks cheap or cheaper than any of the movies lol. It looks better than most Marvel films imo.

Your expectations on X-Men arent realisitc, even for a film when we had how many films that didnt feature any of what you suggested?



I'm being realistic. You're expecting huge battles every 20 minutes that involve every single X-men with no scenes where the characters actually speak to one another in a set that doesnt have action.

Even in a X-men animated series we didnt have EVERY SINGLE PERSON using their powers in every single episode or even feature in every single episode.

You do know that I'm basing my expectations on previous MCU shows and several shows I've seen. Why would I expect the Sentinels, when the Sentinels are literally in every X-Men cartoon. How about characters like Beast, Iceman, Colossus, Nightcrawler, are those going to be done in cgi or practical effects when show up in the screen or use their powers? I don't expect an action scene every 20 minutes, but in a X-Men live action show, who wouldn't want an action scene in a beautiful set/location in every episode?

As for a highway chase scene, I used it as an example,that TV shows are often restricted to action sequences. When it is featured, the vfx looked incredibly dodgy as seen in Hawkeye. Now how can you assure me that a live action X-Men show would be done with utmost care when it comes to production value under Disney when we already got those several shows under their belt?

Also Star Trek shows doesn't look as expensive as JJ Abrams films. Its very easy to distinct which one is the TV show and which one is the film, just seeing some scenes from both.

If you think you're being realistic, well I am too. I am being realistic that a X-Men live action TV show simply just won't get the same production value/set pieces as a featured film. If it gets the same production values as a blockbuster movie, it would be very expensive, much more expensive than a MCU movie, since a tv series usually have more screentime than a movie.

Also X-Men '97 is a cartoon, but if they put every scene in live action, it would certainly cost as much as a blockbuster movie, if not more.

 

[psylockolussus]

Ghostbusters flopping, Furiosa not making any waves and then look who comes sashaying in to save the box office.

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This is why we have to keep being vigilant and vocal on social media. Wolverine is cool, but we can't have him shoved down our throats again.

Eh.the box office numbers in general are concerning.

But lets be real. Ghostbusters isn't a lucrative brand. It was only for the first film. And the newer films aren't even good. It isn't the type of franchise that would bring in as much numbers as a Star Wars and a Marvel movie, and even those two had flops pre-covid.

Then Furiosa is a prequel/spin off for a 2015 movie.... thatshould be enough reasons why it didn't attract many viewers. Also the 2015 movie earned around 150 million in North America, and at that time, that amount wasn't exactly huge for a blockbuster movie. 21st highest grossing film of 2015 in North America... Ant-Man 2015 made more, for comparison.

 

[Primal Slayer]

You do know that I'm basing my expectations on previous MCU shows and several shows I've seen. Why would I expect the Sentinels, when the Sentinels are literally in every X-Men cartoon. How about characters like Beast, Iceman, Colossus, Nightcrawler, are those going to be done in cgi or practical effects when show up in the screen or use their powers? I don't expect an action scene every 20 minutes, but in a X-Men live action show, who wouldn't want an action scene in a beautiful set/location in every episode?

As for a highway chase scene, I used it as an example,that TV shows are often restricted to action sequences. When it is featured, the vfx looked incredibly dodgy as seen in Hawkeye. Now how can you assure me that a live action X-Men show would be done with utmost care when it comes to production value under Disney when we already got those several shows under their belt?

Also Star Trek shows doesn't look as expensive as JJ Abrams films. Its very easy to distinct which one is the TV show and which one is the film, just seeing some scenes from both.

If you think you're being realistic, well I am too. I am being realistic that a X-Men live action TV show simply just won't get the same production value/set pieces as a featured film. If it gets the same production values as a blockbuster movie, it would be very expensive, much more expensive than a MCU movie, since a tv series usually have more screentime than a movie.

Also X-Men '97 is a cartoon, but if they put every scene in live action, it would certainly cost as much as a blockbuster movie, if not more.

I said Sentinels in every.single.episode. That is unrealistic. They arent in every single episode of most X-Men toons.

Beast, Iceman, Colossus, Nightcrawler can be done in practical effects or CGI. Look at Star Trek. Their powers can be done a $11mill budget. Again...look at The Boys. Heroes.

Star Trek Discovery doesnt look expensive? We are watching two very different shows then my friend. It looks better than any of the JJ films.

Matter of fact is...if you were to do an X-Men high budget tv show over a movie...you'd be getting more battles in the show over 8-12 hrs than you would in a 2hr movie. And that doesnt even mean doing a huge battle in every episode becasue....the movie isnt going to be 1 huge none-stop battle. You have breathing room.

YOu seem to be more interested in the effects/battles than the story/character development which what has kept the X-Men sustained for so long.

 

[psylockolussus]

I said Sentinels in every.single.episode. That is unrealistic. They arent in every single episode of most X-Men toons.

Beast, Iceman, Colossus, Nightcrawler can be done in practical effects or CGI. Look at Star Trek. Their powers can be done a $11mill budget. Again...look at The Boys. Heroes.

Star Trek Discovery doesnt look expensive? We are watching two very different shows then my friend. It looks better than any of the JJ films.

Matter of fact is...if you were to do an X-Men high budget tv show over a movie...you'd be getting more battles in the show over 8-12 hrs than you would in a 2hr movie. And that doesnt even mean doing a huge battle in every episode becasue....the movie isnt going to be 1 huge none-stop battle. You have breathing room.

Beast aren't being done in Cgi this time though, well I'm assuming that is the case now after the Marvels. She Hulk and Abomination are in CGI. So I can only see them doing Beast with practical effects (for a TV show) to save money rather an artistic choice.

Also you need to stop bringing up The Boys. Like i already said, I've seen every episode from the moment they were available. They've done well fortheir budget, but if we are going compareit to movies, it doesn't look on par with well produced highly budgeted Marvel movies. Heroes didn't look as expensive as X2 at that time, not even X3 and other movies that came out during its time. It looked like a sci TV show not a movie.

And yes, ideally we should get more battles in a X-Men tv show than a X-Men movie that might come out every 4 years (under Marvel Studios) but still I doubt, any of the battle scenes would come close to the battle scenes we saw in Avengers, Guardians and Eternals.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Beast aren't being done in Cgi this time though, well I'm assuming that is the case now after the Marvels. She Hulk and Abomination are in CGI. So I can only see them doing Beast with practical effects (for a TV show) to save money rather an artistic choice.

Also you need to stop bringing up The Boys. Like i already said, I've seen every episode from the moment they were available. They've done well fortheir budget, but if we are going compareit to movies, it doesn't look on par with well produced highly budgeted Marvel movies. Heroes didn't look as expensive as X2 at that time, not even X3 and other movies that came out during its time. It looked like a sci TV show not a movie.

And yes, ideally we should get more battles in a X-Men tv show than a X-Men movie that might come out every 4 years (under Marvel Studios) but still I doubt, any of the battle scenes would come close to the battle scenes we saw in Avengers, Guardians and Eternals.

It doesnt matter that they want to CGI Beast. He was done with practical makeup for 4 films just fine. He doesnt even need CGI so its a mute point.

I will keep bringing up The Boys because its comparable. It doesnt need to look exactly how you expect an X-Men show to look because it isnt an X-Men show. It has a higher budget than Star Trek Discovery and Discovery looks more expensive. It is all up to who is in charge of the show. It's about showcasing powers on screen in a fairly realistic way which Heroes, Charmed, The Boys, Alphas all have done.

 

[psylockolussus]

We saw what Marvel Studios could do with a $200million budget for a MCU show...and the results weren't great. A live action X-Men tv series would need a huge budget to make it look theatrical/blockbuster-like that isn't budget restricted. Also how many episodes would they produce, with so many X-Men and stories in the comics. 6 to 10 episodes per season feels limiting.

Ideally, Tv series should be a better platform because it can provide more screentime and development for the characters in the show. But a lot of Marvel shows look cheaper compare to the production values of blockbuster movies. Its the same thing with Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, etc.

@Primal Slayer letsgo back to what I originally said.

I'm sure any competent studio/platform could find a way to do a live action X-Men show. But still there are more chances it would look like on par with Cw/Wb/Fox/Abc/Prime/Disney+ shows,rather than looking like a theaterical/blockbuster-like show that isn't budget resticted and on par with the biggest Marvel movies (Avengers) which I would prefer to see - and that would certainly require a huge budget.

 

[SumT]

Why would a tv show needs to look like a $220m movie exactly?
its called a tv show for a reason. Not a movie split into 8 episodes.

The whole point of a tv show is to do things differently from a movie. So expecting a tv show to look exactly like a movie doesnt make any sense.

 

[Primal Slayer]

@Primal Slayer letsgo back to what I originally said.

I'm sure any competent studio/platform could find a way to do a live action X-Men show. But still there are more chances it would look like on par with Cw/Wb/Fox/Abc/Prime/Disney+ shows,rather than looking like a theaterical/blockbuster-like show that isn't budget resticted and on par with the biggest Marvel movies (Avengers) which I would prefer to see - and that would certainly require a huge budget.

And what you said was false.

WandaVision did not look like a CW/WB/FOX/ABC show nor did She-Hulk or Ms.Marvel or anyof them. CW/WB/FOX/ABC do not look like big budget Prime or Disney+ shows.

You are ignoring Game of Thrones. You act like The Boys looks cheap. Star Trek looks cheap. That they fail to produce X-men like special effects or characters.

The Avengers doesnt even look like Avengers Endgame. Eternals does not play like Avengers or Guardians of the Galaxy.

You want a specific look that could be captured on tv. It all depends on the team. Just as a movie isnt going to automatically mean anything better than a tv show as we've seen in PLENTY of X-films.

 

[Sithborg]

Chasing prestige TV level budgets is a bad idea.

 

[psylockolussus]

Why would a tv show needs to look like a $220m movie exactly?
its called a tv show for a reason. Not a movie split into 8 episodes.

The whole point of a tv show is to do things differently from a movie. So expecting a tv show to look exactly like a movie doesnt make any sense.

So with all the Marvel movies outthere especially the scale of Avengers movies. Do you really want a X-Men tv show, look like a generic scifi/action TV show?

Also this article comes from 2019

Marvel's Disney Plus Shows Will Have MCU Movie Budgets - IGN

Marvel's Disney+ shows will cost as much as an MCU movie to make.

www.ign.com

"Kevin Feige, has held meetings to discuss how to ensure the visual standards of the Marvel films is maintained for the television shows. While the shows will have comparable budgets to the films, this will be for six-to-eight hours of footage, rather than the two hours of a film, and so maintaining that signature MCU look will no doubt require some thought."

Ummm. They literally said that almost 5years ago.

 

[Venom 1988]

So with all the Marvel movies outthere especially the scale of Avengers movies. Do you really want a X-Men tv show, look like a generic scifi/action TV show?

Also this article comes from 2019

Marvel's Disney Plus Shows Will Have MCU Movie Budgets - IGN

Marvel's Disney+ shows will cost as much as an MCU movie to make.

www.ign.com

"Kevin Feige, has held meetings to discuss how to ensure the visual standards of the Marvel films is maintained for the television shows. While the shows will have comparable budgets to the films, this will be for six-to-eight hours of footage, rather than the two hours of a film, and so maintaining that signature MCU look will no doubt require some thought."

Ummm. They literally said that almost 5years ago.

And look at how that turned out. If they want the TV shows to succeed, they need to stop trying to make them like movies.

 

[psylockolussus]

And what you said was false.

WandaVision did not look like a CW/WB/FOX/ABC show nor did She-Hulk or Ms.Marvel or anyof them. CW/WB/FOX/ABC do not look like big budget Prime or Disney+ shows.

You are ignoring Game of Thrones. You act like The Boys looks cheap. Star Trek looks cheap. That they fail to produce X-men like special effects or characters.

The Avengers doesnt even look like Avengers Endgame. Eternals does not play like Avengers or Guardians of the Galaxy.

You want a specific look that could be captured on tv. It all depends on the team. Just as a movie isnt going to automatically mean anything better than a tv show as we've seen in PLENTY of X-films.

I didn't say those shows (The Boys/Star Trek) are cheap looking. I would like you to find my post in which I said those shows are cheap looking. I specifically said those shows aren't on par with blockbuster movies and I also didn't expect those shows to look as expensive as Mcu movies, because they arent in the mcu anyway.

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

And yet, GxK and Dune were both massive sucesses.

Not to mention Kung Fu Panda 4 did tremendously well at the box office on a budget of under $100 million.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Anyway,

Since Giancarlo is out of the equation, I still wonder who can be Xavier.

Putting my money on Bryan Cranston again.

 

[psylockolussus]

And what you said was false.

WandaVision did not look like a CW/WB/FOX/ABC show nor did She-Hulk or Ms.Marvel or anyof them. CW/WB/FOX/ABC do not look like big budget Prime or Disney+ shows.

Does this look good to you?

 

[Venom 1988]

I specifically said those shows aren't on par with blockbuster movies

Because they aren't movies, they are shows. Crazy I know.

 

[psylockolussus]

Chasing prestige TV level budgets is a bad idea.

Again this is what Kevin Feige intended to do with Marvel shows back in 2019.

Marvel's Disney Plus Shows Will Have MCU Movie Budgets - IGN

Marvel's Disney+ shows will cost as much as an MCU movie to make.

www.ign.com

And obviously, years later. Aside from spending big money, the shows aren't really on par (visually/production value) with the mcu movies - which is the problem. Now imagine if this happens to a MCU X-Men live action show, it could be a lot worse.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Does this look good to you?

Looks fine to me.

Do you want to me pull up all of the questionable CGI in films?

I mean....

I didn't say those shows (The Boys/Star Trek) are cheap looking. I would like you to find my post in which I said those shows are cheap looking. I specifically said those shows aren't on par with blockbuster movies and I also didn't expect those shows to look as expensive as Mcu movies, because they arent in the mcu anyway.

I didn't say you did. I said you act as if they are.

 

[psylockolussus]

Looks fine to me.

Do you want to me pull up all of the questionable CGI in films?

I can find an action sequence in Quantumania (them entering Quantum Realm) that looks better than floating in the air fight scene from WandaVision.

If you think that scene is good enough,and we are just never going to agree which scenes look good or expensive enough.

And also i didn't compare WandaVision to ABC/Prime/Wb/cw shows. You should reread what I said.

"I'm sure any competent studio/platform could find a way to do a live action X-Men show. But still there are more chances it would look like on par with Cw/Wb/Fox/Abc/Prime/Disney+ shows."

 

[Primal Slayer]

I can find an action sequence in Quantumania (them entering Quantum Realm) that looks better than floating in the air fight scene from WandaVision.

If you think that scene is good enough,and we are just never going to agree which scenes look good or expensive enough.

And also i didn't compare WandaVision to ABC/Prime/Wb/cw shows. You should reread what I said.

"I'm sure any competent studio/platform could find a way to do a live action X-Men show. But still there are more chances it would look like on par with Cw/Wb/Fox/Abc/Prime/Disney+ shows."

You put Disney+ in the same sentence as Cw/Wb/Fox/Abc/Prime/

WandaVision is a Disney+ show....

But there is enough X-Men to go around so it can span Disney+ and theatrical films.

 

[psylockolussus]

You put Disney+ in the same sentence as Cw/Wb/Fox/Abc/Prime/

WandaVision is a Disney+ show....

I did because they released superhero shows.

 

[BobJM]

Anyway,

Since Giancarlo is out of the equation, I still wonder who can be Xavier.

Putting my money on Bryan Cranston again.

 

[psylockolussus]

Who is that?

 

[Sithborg]

Again this is what Kevin Feige intended to do with Marvel shows back in 2019.

Marvel's Disney Plus Shows Will Have MCU Movie Budgets - IGN

Marvel's Disney+ shows will cost as much as an MCU movie to make.

www.ign.com

And obviously, years later. Aside from spending big money, the shows aren't really on par (visually/production value) with the mcu movies - which is the problem. Now imagine if this happens to a MCU X-Men live action show, it could be a lot worse.

I think it is clear by know that Feige doesn't know **** about running a television division. And his damn ego cost us some great shows.

 

[squeekness]

Works for me. I love Ewan McGregor.