X-Men The Official MCU X-Men News and Discussion Thread

[Lily Adler]

Iconic is thrown around too loosely these days my friend.

You tell me what character development did Ororo have and what did Rogue do in that show besides have PTSD and push Mystique off a balcony or whatever. And why were most of the cast all so whiny?

It wasn't no Batman Beyond, that's for damn sure.

I'll have to rewatch the show. I know they had to jam a last minute Dark Phoenix tease after giving us Apocalypse literally in the last episode and just have Rogue defeat him by pressing a button.

 

[Lip]

Since What if is the hot topic now, I'd pretty much enjoy an episode set on Evolution universe.

 

[Lily Adler]

Since What if is the hot topic now, I'd pretty much enjoy an episode set on Evolution universe.

Wasn't this What If?'s last season, though?

 

[Lip]

Wasn't this What If?'s last season, though?

It was.

I would have loved seeing that type of idea. Not only revisting Evolution universe, but previous animations as well, and mixing all these previous universes with new ones, etc...

But we got... that.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Didn't one of the TMNT animated movies do that kind of thing, where they took the 2003 show, the 1987 show, and the original comic and had those versions of the characters meet each other?

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I mean, Rogue was far, far from X-movie Rogue.



Also, you know....



As for the rest, it comes down to the problem you always have when you have a big cast. Yeah, the kids had the most focus and development.

Uggggh.

You know B and Faith did it better.



But true, she wasn’t X-movie Rogue, but I still couldn’t jive with her. Those power displays were creative though.

I'll have to rewatch the show. I know they had to jam a last minute Dark Phoenix tease after giving us Apocalypse literally in the last episode and just have Rogue defeat him by pressing a button.

And then Xavier had that glimpse of the future and gave Jean the stank eye when he realized she was going to be Phoenix.

 

[Venom 1988]

@Shinobi Shaw stop hating on my goth girl lol

 

[Lily Adler]

Uggggh.

You know B and Faith did it better.

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But true, she wasn’t X-movie Rogue, but I still couldn’t jive with her. Those power displays were creative though.



And then Xavier had that glimpse of the future and gave Jean the stank eye when he realized she was going to be Phoenix.

Somebody wished Eliza Dushku got Rogue instead of Anna Paquin.

 

[psylockolussus]

X-Men Evolution was not good, though it did improve in later seasons. Too many changes I didn't like.

 

[squeekness]

X-Men Evolution was not good, though it did improve in later seasons. Too many changes I didn't like.

It gave us X23 so I'm not complaining. It really needed more Gambit. A LOT more Gambit.

 

[psylockolussus]

X-23 was a creation of the series and so was Spyke. They should have just used Marrow instead of Spyke. Then they made Colossus as a horseman first and only teased him joining the team in the end. No Psylocke, Emma, Polaris, Shadowcat as well. They lumped Iceman with those b-tier mutants (Berzerker, Boom Boom).

 

[AndrewGilkison]

X-23 was a creation of the series and so was Spyke. They should have just used Marrow instead of Spyke. Then they made Colossus as a horseman first and only teased him joining the team in the end. No Psylocke, Emma, Polaris, Shadowcat as well. They lumped Iceman with those b-tier mutants (Berzerker, Boom Boom).

Weren't Xavier, Magneto, Mystique, and Storm the X-Men Evolution versions of the Four Horsemen? I think Piotr started out as a member of Magneto's Acolytes because Mags kidnapped his family.

 

[Sithborg]

X-23 was a creation of the series and so was Spyke. They should have just used Marrow instead of Spyke. Then they made Colossus as a horseman first and only teased him joining the team in the end. No Psylocke, Emma, Polaris, Shadowcat as well. They lumped Iceman with those b-tier mutants (Berzerker, Boom Boom).

I mean, Emma wasn't on the X-men yet, in the comics. Granted at the time, somewhat debatable on her being a villain or not after Gen X. And not a horsemen, I think Magneto's second group of followers are supposed to be the acolytes. Umm, Kitty was part of the whole damn show. Also, I would not list the New Mutants as b tier.

Anyway, funny thing. Finally reading Psylocke #2, and good ol @Shinobi Shaw is having an adventure with Kwannon.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I mean, Emma wasn't on the X-men yet, in the comics. Granted at the time, somewhat debatable on her being a villain or not after Gen X. And not a horsemen, I think Magneto's second group of followers are supposed to be the acolytes. Umm, Kitty was part of the whole damn show. Also, I would not list the New Mutants as b tier.

Anyway, funny thing. Finally reading Psylocke #2, and good ol @Shinobi Shaw is having an adventure with Kwannon.

Ha! Take that Matsu’o.

I gotta read the new stories, I thought my namesake was dead again.

 

[squeekness]

X-23 was a creation of the series and so was Spyke. They should have just used Marrow instead of Spyke. Then they made Colossus as a horseman first and only teased him joining the team in the end. No Psylocke, Emma, Polaris, Shadowcat as well. They lumped Iceman with those b-tier mutants (Berzerker, Boom Boom).

I agree with you about Marrow. She's been a favorite of mine and he was a poor substitute.

 

[Sithborg]

Ha! Take that Matsu’o.

I gotta read the new stories, I thought my namesake was dead again.

As much as the new editor is trying to erase Krakoa from the universe, bringing back all the characters at least isn't being undone.

 

[BobJM]

I thought Zoe Kravitz should have played Marrow in First Class instead of Angel.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Since X-Men Evolution is a topic of conversation, I thought the way they handled Magneto's backstory and de-aging was a good model for how to do it in the MCU.

 

[Hand Banana]

Jennifer Garner wasn't a lead actress in Deadpool & Wolverine and not leading a Elektra movie for Disney.

There are plenty of actors out there who could play the Professor and Magneto, for the X-Men's reboot. There's no need for bring back Michael Fassbender and James McAvoy for that. It would defeat the purpose of a reboot.

You're assuming that Professor X and Magneto will be lead characters. Given what Kevin Feige has said, I doubt the movies are going to revolve around them again.

How does that defeat the purpose of a reboot? X-Men 97 and Daredevil: Born Again have been called reboots, but they feature the same cast/characters.

X-Men 97 is great, but that show is building off of a show that people grew up on and have nostalgia for. And it feels like a natural evolution of the 92 show.

The thing is, MCU X-Men doesn't have that going for it because it doesn't exist yet. Its a decade long universe that hasn't had mutants or known mutants, and now suddenly a thirty something Cyclops shows up with an established 30 something Jean Grey, Beast, Angel, etc? "Where were you mother****ers when aliens were attacking New York and Thanos snapped half of us out of existence for five years?" What is there to build off of? You are skipping a lot of development to basically just retread X-Men 97 in live action, without having any foundation to back it up.

That is why it makes sense for Marvel to cast Sadie Sink as Jean and make her younger, because they want young actors to grow into the roles the way Tom Holland has grown into being Spider-Man. They want people to grow up with their versions of the these characters and mature them as they go. Because old ****s like us are not the real target audience for MCU X-Men.

That's assuming that the X-Men will be from the 616 MCU. The Fantastic Four aren't from the 616 MCU. So why should the X-Men need to be?

Especially since the 616 MCU has declined so much in popularity over the years, and audiences aren't feeling most of the new Avengers all that much. There doesn't seem to be that much hype for this universe besides Spider-Man, Black Panther, and Daredevil.

Also, the MCU isn't that popular among Gen-Z.

Does Marvel Have a Gen-Z Problem? Just 19% of ‘The Marvels’ Audience Was 18-24

19% of "The Marvels" audience was 18-24 compared to 40% for "Captain Marvel." Marvel has a Gen-Z problem.

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[AndrewGilkison]

That's assuming that the X-Men will be from the 616 MCU. The Fantastic Four aren't from the 616 MCU. So why should be the X-Men need to be?

Especially since the 616 MCU has declined so much in popularity over the years, and audiences aren't feeling most of the new Avengers all that much. There doesn't seem to be that much hype for this universe besides Spider-Man, Black Panther, and Daredevil.

We've already had setups for mutants in Falcon And Winter Soldier, Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, and the upcoming Captain America movie (the celestial that came out of the earth in Eternals is being mined for adamantium). So yeah, 616 mutants are coming.

Also, the MCU isn't that popular among Gen-Z.

Does Marvel Have a Gen-Z Problem? Just 19% of ‘The Marvels’ Audience Was 18-24

19% of "The Marvels" audience was 18-24 compared to 40% for "Captain Marvel." Marvel has a Gen-Z problem.

www.indiewire.com

All the more reason casting someone like Sadie Sink and making characters like Jean Grey younger makes sense.

 

[Silvermoth]

It’s very intimidating for such a young cast. I hope everyone remembers to be normal about them

 

[Hand Banana]

We've already had setups for mutants in Falcon And Winter Soldier, Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, and the upcoming Captain America movie (the celestial that came out of the earth in Eternals is being mined for adamantium). So yeah, 616 mutants are coming.

You're missing my point. I'm not asking if 616 mutants are coming, I'm asking why should the X-Men be 616 mutants? I mean, would the general audience even be hyped about that?

All the more reason casting someone like Sadie Sink and making characters like Jean Grey younger makes sense.

Gen-Z isn't feeling the Young Avengers, so I don't think that's going to automatically bring them in.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

You're missing my point. I'm not asking if 616 mutants are coming, I'm asking why should the X-Men be 616 mutants? I mean, would the general audience even be hyped about that?

Even if you are right in that Spider-Man, Daredevil, and Back Panther are what people are hyped for in the MCU... well seeing the X-Men interact with them would still hype people. The X-Men joining the MCU is one of the things people have been hyped for for years. So putting them in their own universe is stupid at this point (especially when the multiverse stuff is getting phased out).

Quite frankly, the FF being in their own universe isn't going to last past Secret Wars either.

Gen-Z isn't feeling the Young Avengers, so I don't think that's going to automatically bring them in.

The Young Avengers are not the X-Men.

 

[Hand Banana]

Even if you are right in that Spider-Man, Daredevil, and Back Panther are what people are hyped for in the MCU... well seeing the X-Men interact with them would still hype people. The X-Men joining the MCU is one of the things people have been hyped for for years. So putting them in their own universe is stupid at this point

I am right. Ms. Marvel was revealed to be a mutant and the general audience didn't care. The Ms. Marvel show had low viewership and The Marvels made less money at the Box Office than Dark Phoenix. The MCU's popularity has declined significantly; it's not even debatable. The hype just isn't there anymore.

Fans were hyped about the X-Men being in the MCU back when the classic Avenger roster was still around. Most of the classic Avenger roster is gone now and the rest are on their way out. Even Tom Holland has said that his Peter should past the torch to Miles Morales. Nate Moore suggested that the third Black Panther movie might be the end of the series. Not to mention T'Challa is dead, so we are never going to see his relationship with Storm on-screen. There isn't much to look forward to anymore.

(especially when the multiverse stuff is getting phased out).

Actually, Kevin Feige said that they want to use Deadpool and Wolverine as much as possible (and they are not recasting Wolverine anytime soon). They're also bringing back the classic Avenger roster and the Russo Brothers. So it seems that Marvel Studios is doubling down on the multiverse/nostalgia after the successes of Spider-Man: No Way Home, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, X-Men '97, and Deadpool & Wolverine.

Quite frankly, the FF being in their own universe isn't going to last past Secret Wars either.

Says who?

The Young Avengers are not the X-Men.

Are you suggesting that a young version of the X-Men is going to automatically bring young people in? The prequels proved otherwise.

 

[Lily Adler]

Since X-Men Evolution is a topic of conversation, I thought the way they handled Magneto's backstory and de-aging was a good model for how to do it in the MCU.

Denzel de ages into his son.