The Official Wildstorm Thread

[Eric Draven]

So, basically, Morrison can't write 9 books a month?

What a lazy ass.

Seriously though, get Morrison off of Batman, it isn't that good, put him on the Authority, hold off on WildCATS, then have him jump onto WildCATS once he's done with Final Crisis, and Lee's done with his ASB&R run.

There you go; a perfect plan of action.

Except it doesn't seem like DC cares enough for Wildstorm books to do that. Look at the way the entire line has been run the past few years. It's just been a huge mess. And it's not helping things that they fired Scott Dunbier a little while back after that LOEG fiasco.....

 

[CConn]

Well, that's a different matter altogehter.

 

[Sandman138]

Except it doesn't seem like DC cares enough for Wildstorm books to do that. Look at the way the entire line has been run the past few years. It's just been a huge mess. And it's not helping things that they fired Scott Dunbier a little while back after that LOEG fiasco.....

What fiasco was that?

 

[Eric Draven]

Apparently, that LOEG Black Dossier is only going to be available in the US because of rights issues or something like that.

 

[DoomJester]

Is the Black Dossier still being released? If memory serves me it was pushed back a year (supposed to be out last year this time) now I think it's slated for November. I really want to read it. I can't claim that I'm a huge Moore fan but I'd like to read it.

Actually, I think this thread should be about the Black Dossier from now on since that has more promise than Authority. So... is everyone excited for LXG?

 

[Eric Draven]

Yeah, it's coming out November 14th

http://dccomics.com/graphic_novels/?gn=5977

But like I said, only in the US. Guess it's an amazon purchase for me....

 

[Anubis]

Heh, God Bless America.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Keith Giffen talks about his upcoming crossover between the DC and Wildstorm universes

Sounds really cool to me. I think it's a great way to finally get some more attention to the mainstream Wildstorm stuff after the colossal failure of the Worldstorm reboot.

Two things in particular got me really excited. They were:

KG: Oh, yeah. The one part of the storyline that I'm kind of pleased with, and it went down with Gail Simone's blessing, is when the Justice Society shows up in Tranquility.

NRAMA: Oh! No way!

KG: Geriatric wars, man! [laughs] Any book that's got old people pounding the **** out of each other -- c'mon! It's worth the price.

and

NRAMA: Oh, really? Is it the same kind of tone as Annihilation?

KG: Yes. The same kind of tone in that you take the same kind of characters that maybe people haven't been paying a lot of attention to and spin them around a little bit. But drop them into a story that's worth telling. I think that's the critical part of these crossovers. If the story's not worth telling, then why do the crossover in the first place? If you're just cobbling together a story so you can see Dr. Fate beating up on The Doctor? That might appeal to a handful of people. But it really doesn't pay off in the end and I think it's cheap to the fans. And I am making sure this is a story that would be worth telling even if it wasn't a crossover.

Can't wait.

 

[Anubis]

Awesome.

 

[yenaled]

This reminds me to buy Tranquility.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Dude, Welcome to Tranquility's been awesome. I want to believe that it'll still be published in spite of all the upheaval going on with the WS universe right now, but I doubt it's true.

 

[yenaled]

Yeah, you told me it was a little like Eureka with Superheroes so I've been watching out for the trade but not managed to pick it up yet.

Honestly I was so up for the WSU after Captain Atom - and all they've managed to do is ruin the brand. At the moment I couldn't care less about the shared WSU but hopefully this will change that.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Ugh, I know. And, of course, it all comes down to the fact that Jim Lee, Grant Morrison, and Gene Ha ****ed the Authority and Wildcats--the two main headliners--up and lost all the steam from CAA. Plus, they pretty much just stopped using the Wildcats for everything. All we get right now is ****ing Nemesis, who was never a Wildcat and holds absolutely zero interest for me. I want to see ****ing Hadrian or Majestic rocking some ass, damn it.

 

[yenaled]

God damn I miss Majestic.

 

[The Leaguer]

As a whole, I think Wildstorm has been the best handled super-hero universe in a while. Aside from the Wildcats/Authority debacles and an overly boring Wetworks, it's been utterly phenominal. Deathblow has been off the wall but quite good and Gen13 was better than I ever thought it could be and better than much of the stuff DC proper has been putting out (still is). Midnighter started off good, but has since lagged. I still enjoy it.

The shining stars were, obviously, Welcome to Tranquility and Stormwatch: PHD. Tranquility is, bar none, one of the best books I've ever read. Stormwatch was simply one, long stretch of sheer badassery. Christos Gage is easily the best new writer in the industry.

That said, I cannot wait for this.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I read Gen13 for the crossover with Welcome to Tranquility and actually found myself enjoying it. Simone's really talented if she can make me give a damn about Gen13.

Still, I think the Wildstorm universe suffered a lot from essentially subtracting their two major teams. They should've just gotten Joe Casey back for Wildcats.

 

[GL1]

I miss the Authority doing unspeakable things to enemies that were just on the edge of conceivability. It was like somebody put some star trek aliens on laced steroids and pointed them in the direction of the Authority. It was awesome.

I think Authority collapses when it tries to invert and focus only on mudane Earth stuff... there's some grounded that the concept can take, but to me, it's always at it's best when it's metafictonally mocking others and pushing the furthest boundaries of ends justifies the means. The two issues I've read didn't seem to have that... it was like... here's this superhero team, and they're stuck in this new and strage situation... what will they do?

I don't mind them getting a tiny bit of concience, but I need the cutloose in order to enjoy these ridiculously powerful characters.

I might have to pick Gen13 back up again. It dulled for me after Issue 8 or 9 for me somehow.

 

[BlackOpsTengu]

Keith Giffen talks about his upcoming crossover between the DC and Wildstorm universes

Sounds really cool to me. I think it's a great way to finally get some more attention to the mainstream Wildstorm stuff after the colossal failure of the Worldstorm reboot.

What was the deal with that anyway? I heard some Captain Atom cross over resulted in the universe blowing up. That's gotta put a crimper in someone's style.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

We should see more Wildstorm/DC crossover. Remember back in the summer DiDio said Wildstorm's universe was one of the 52 multiverses and what not.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

What was the deal with that anyway? I heard some Captain Atom cross over resulted in the universe blowing up. That's gotta put a crimper in someone's style.

Captain Atom blew up in the DC universe, which shot him over to the Wildstorm universe, where he combined with a shard of Void's essence. He runs around in the Wildstorm universe for a bit, is utterly appalled by what he sees from that universe's 'heroes,' and then Nikola Scott becomes the new Void, pulling the shard of herself out of him in the process. The resultant outburst of energy or whatever pushes Captain Atom back into the DC universe (now the New Earth universe) and does something of a soft reset for the Wildstorm universe, rendering some things out of continuity, bringing other things back, raising a few people from the dead, etc. Basically, it was a means of allowing the new writers for the WS comics to start with whatever status quos they wanted. Most of the past WS stuff is still in continuity, though.

 

[BlackOpsTengu]

Ah, so it's like a mini Crisis? Huh, so what was changed exactly?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I honestly couldn't tell you because I didn't read much Wildstorm other than Wildcats before this. I was kind of perplexed about why everyone thought Stormwatch was so super-awesome when I started reading the current crop of WS titles, in fact. I didn't know anything about the history of any of the characters, really.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Is anyone else reading this?

It's a Giffen written cross-over and appears to be setting up an interesting storyline. Apparently, the DC universe is merging into the Wildstorm universe in a not-so-pleasant way. Titans Tower basically smashed into Riker's island, killing a ton of criminals and causing mayhem. Cities are appearing out of nowhere and islands are erupting in the ocean, causing killer tidal waves.

The JLA and the Titans hit the ground running, while Jay, Ted Grant and Alan Scott head to Tranquility to move in. It seems like only the Legion of Super Heroes know what's going on.

The art is pretty good, and the fight scenes were pretty stellar. All in all not a bad start, and I'm not a big crossover lover.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I would've read it if the Wildstorm universe weren't in such a state of flux right now. I got into Captain Atom: Armageddon, Majestic, and Wildcats v3.0 only to have all of that pulled out from under me and replaced with the current Wildstorm status quo, which totally ignores the Wildcats altogether thanks to the delays between Morrison and Lee on their comic. So I looked at the new set of Wildstorm titles and figured, okay, there's decent stuff here, and I got into Stormwatch: PHD and especially Welcome to Tranquility. And then PHD got canceled and WtT just kind of faded away without even a cancelation announcement that I saw.

So those burns coupled with the fact that I've gotta watch my spending now mean that, unfortunately, I had to pass on the current bunch of Wildstorm books. Reading a Wildstorm comic is, to me, like trying to watch a new show on Fox--it may be exciting, but really getting into it is just going to suck in the end because it's inevitably getting canned sooner or later. Maybe once all the current upheaval is done with and Wildstorm's putting out consistent titles for a few months instead of the random minis about a bunch of weird stuff, I'll give them another try.

 

[Hush]

I looked at it in the store and I remembered corp saying basically what he said there and i chose against it.