The Official Writer & Storyline Thread

[stargazer]

Routh was damn close to the Reeve's rendition and as Clark he was probably more convincing in the clumsiness. I'm not saying that Routh was definitively better since it was Reeve who created that version of Clark. But as Superman he was honest and convincing, having to face much more complex things than Reeve script-wise. And it's not like Reeve's Superman was too spicy either.




You mean he returns, saves hundreds of people with their children in that stadium (and plane) from a horrible inevitable death... and they forgive him so quickly?

Well, after such an amazing rescue I doubt too many people would have gone "I rather those people had died than forgive Superman."

Not to mention that Superman doesn't owe crap to people.

Still, there could have been a portion of people that could have felt Superman's leaving as something personal. Lois represented that fraction of people.

I'll give you this; the movie could have showed people's different reactions. From what I saw, it wasn't that vital, could have been interesting though.



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Great post.


"I'll give you this; the movie could have showed people's different reactions."

Like you said, Lois represented those people who loved Superman and got hurt by his absence, especially her since they had ''something especial" together..

Lex also represented those people who hated The Man of Steel and were annoyed and upset by his return.

And Jimmy represented those who loved Supes and welcomed him with open arms.

Kitty also represented those who weren't sure about him, but who changed her perspective on Supes after she got in contact up close and personal with him, IMO.

 

[stargazer]

Fact: The Dark Knight is the greatest Batman movie ever made.

Fact Two: The Dark Knight is the greatest movie ever made.

Fact Three: The Dark Knight is so awesome that it makes all other movies including the Godfather, the Empire Strikes Back, Rocky, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Superman the Movie, and every other movie out in existence look like utter complete crap in comparison. It's that good.

It is FACT dammit

OK..

but don't get angry, please?

t:

 

[NotFadeAway]

Great post.


"I'll give you this; the movie could have showed people's different reactions."

Like you said, Lois represented those people who loved Superman and got hurt by his absence, especially her since they had ''something especial" together..

Lex also represented those people who hated The Man of Steel and were annoyed and upset by his return.

And Jimmy represented those who loved Supes and welcomed him with open arms.

Kitty also represented those who weren't sure about him, but who changed her perspective on Supes after she got in contact up close and personal with him, IMO.

There was a character named kitty!

 

[The Kid]

Fact: The Dark Knight is the greatest Batman movie ever made.

Fact Two: The Dark Knight is the greatest movie ever made.

Fact Three: The Dark Knight is so awesome that it makes all other movies including the Godfather, the Empire Strikes Back, Rocky, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Superman the Movie, and every other movie out in existence look like utter complete crap in comparison. It's that good.

It is FACT dammit

But batman kills two face. That will always be its main flaw in the end. Good movie but it and Superman returns are on par in my mind. Sorry.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

But batman kills two face. That will always be its main flaw in the end. Good movie but it and Superman returns are on par in my mind. Sorry.

Pshhh, then in that case Superman killed all of Lex's gang by picking up New Krypton and letting them get trampled by the huge pillars. He had no regard for what was going to happen to those on that island while he was lifting it.

 

[El Payaso]

Pshhh, then in that case Superman killed all of Lex's gang by picking up New Krypton and letting them get trampled by the huge pillars. He had no regard for what was going to happen to those on that island while he was lifting it.

So, Superman kills.

Batman kills.

That's why The Kid said they're on par.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

But batman kills two face. That will always be its main flaw in the end. Good movie but it and Superman returns are on par in my mind. Sorry.

LOL, and stop pretending that you like Superman Returns and think its a great movie. I know you are getting away with fooling some people, such as MostPowerful but it's not working on me, Wesyeed. You dogged SR left and right, in fact, you gave the movie a 1 out of 10 in the "Official Rate and Review Superman Returns" poll:

http://forums.superherohype.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=17015

 

[FlawlessVictory]

So, Superman kills.

Batman kills.

That's why The Kid said they're on par.

Superman killed more people in SR than Batman did in TDK.

 

[The Kid]

LOL, and stop pretending that you like Superman Returns and think its a great movie. I know you are getting away with fooling some people, such as MostPowerful but it's not working on me, Wesyeed. You dogged SR left and right, in fact, you gave the movie a 1 out of 10 in the "Official Rate and Review Superman Returns" poll:

http://forums.superherohype.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=17015

I explained everything in the superman returns board. I was an idiot back then and I apologize in hopes of some forgiveness.

 

[El Payaso]

Superman killed more people in SR than Batman did in TDK.

Batman killed Ra's.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Batman killed Ra's.

LOL, that's why I made sure to say TDK. Since The Kid was only comparing SR to TDK anyway.

 

[The Kid]

So, Superman kills.

Batman kills.

That's why The Kid said they're on par.

Bingo.

 

[dark_b]

http://forums.superherohype.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=17015

i gave the movie a 9?

they set me up

 

[Anita18]

Again, the city depends heavily on Superman. There would be people complaining about the crashed planes he DIDN'T save while he abandoned his adopted homeworld. It was a good reintroduction, but making the city instantly love him again was a stretch.

Exactly. That moment in the baseball park was the first in the movie for me, since I went into it expecting that Supes would have to win back the public. That's what the trailers and the plot synopses told us, anyway. But it wasn't even halfway through the movie and he had already done it. The rest of the movie was meh for me. What Lois and Lex had against Superman was personal, and he couldn't exactly get them to change their minds with a little convincing.

I can totally see a mother going up to Superman and asking him "Where were you when my children died in a fire 2 years ago?" True, he doesn't exactly owe humanity anything, but neither did Oskar Schindler in Schindler's List and his "I could have done more" scene is one of the most powerful in cinema. In SR, all of the scenes that show Clark feeling guilty about the 5-year absence were cut, and we don't see the public coming to grips and forgiving him for it in the final version either.

How did The Last Crusade get mentioned in that stratosphere?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Exactly. That moment in the baseball park was the first in the movie for me, since I went into it expecting that Supes would have to win back the public. That's what the trailers and the plot synopses told us, anyway. But it wasn't even halfway through the movie and he had already done it. The rest of the movie was meh for me. What Lois and Lex had against Superman was personal, and he couldn't exactly get them to change their minds with a little convincing.

I can totally see a mother going up to Superman and asking him "Where were you when my children died in a fire 2 years ago?" True, he doesn't exactly owe humanity anything, but neither did Oskar Schindler in Schindler's List and his "I could have done more" scene is one of the most powerful in cinema. In SR, all of the scenes that show Clark feeling guilty about the 5-year absence were cut, and we don't see the public coming to grips and forgiving him for it in the final version either.

THIS is what I wanted to see Superman own up to. Superman is not just about his relationship with Lois. Sure, the Donner-verse Superman had that at its heart, but Superman represents the best in humanity and he's "the light to shine the way." Any self respecting Donner Superman fan knows this line, save for Singer apparantly. Superman left the world he called home, and there are people whom would have relatives who died in accidents ask themselves where he was when it happened. While Superman facing a Lois whom has moved on is important, facing those people whom feel he failed them to me was equally important. But, this key aspect is ignored, and when we need to get into Superman's head on why he left, we get blips of dialogue.

People can say whatever they want about me or my opinion on this movie, but disregarding these key things is a failure in my eyes (though the movie had other problems in my opinion, also...but these are glaring). Starting the whole thing from scratch I still feel is the best option. No Routh. No requel. No Singer and co. No one from the cast. Entirely new people is what we need.

 

[stargazer]

LOL, and stop pretending that you like Superman Returns and think its a great movie. I know you are getting away with fooling some people, such as MostPowerful but it's not working on me, Wesyeed. You dogged SR left and right, in fact, you gave the movie a 1 out of 10 in the "Official Rate and Review Superman Returns" poll:

http://forums.superherohype.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=17015

Why did you include me there?! I don't know exactly what you mean here. Can you explain, please?

 

[Showtime]

I explained everything in the superman returns board. I was an idiot back then and I apologize in hopes of some forgiveness.

So now..you like Superman Returns?

I don't buy it.

 

[Superark]

LOL, and stop pretending that you like Superman Returns and think its a great movie. I know you are getting away with fooling some people, such as MostPowerful but it's not working on me, Wesyeed. You dogged SR left and right, in fact, you gave the movie a 1 out of 10 in the "Official Rate and Review Superman Returns" poll:

http://forums.superherohype.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=17015

I find that poll VERY VERY interesting!

It's funny to see that some of the posters who always claim they "hated" SR gave it a favorable rating. Hmmm I find that very curious...

I'm glad to see I gave it a 9/10

 

[Spider-Fan]

I find that poll VERY VERY interesting!

It's funny to see that some of the posters who always claim they "hated" SR gave it a favorable rating. Hmmm I find that very curious...

I'm glad to see I gave it a 9/10

I didn't think I rated it that high in that poll. That had to be right after I saw it, and voted on the after viewing feeling. I never trust polls for movies right after it comes out, at least not for me. Takes me time before I give something a rating I stick to. In any case, my personal rating for the movie is a 3/10 (apparantly on that poll, I put down a 7, which is still low for me post-viewing excitement).

Heck, SM3 I gave a 10 right after I saw it (but that wasn't a public poll). I still love SM3, but I wouldn't give it a 10 anymore.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Why did you include me there?! I don't know exactly what you mean here. Can you explain, please?

Because you were agreeing with the The Kid's outlook on SR, which was a positive take on the film. The thing is, The Kid hates SR. But I don't think you knew that. He posted as Wesyeed for a long time and made his dislike for the film and Superman's son very clear. He's just trying to be cute now.

So now..you like Superman Returns?

I don't buy it.

Exactly.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Because you were agreeing with the The Kid's outlook on SR, which was a positive take on the film. The thing is, The Kid hates SR. But I don't think you knew that. He posted as Wesyeed for a long time and made his dislike for the film and Superman's son very clear. He's just trying to be cute now.



Exactly.

That's Weyseed? I like the sarcasm

 

[The Kid]

So now..you like Superman Returns?

I don't buy it.

I always liked it, and I gave hints that I did from time to time. Son of ***** movie took me right back to being that 12 year old kid reading superman at the comic shop. I just decided to lie for revenge purposes, something I normally wouldn't do, but felt it needed to be done (childish, I know... ).

You don't have to believe me, but I'm being all sincere. I know I shouldn't beat myself up since it's just a forum, but I try to hold myself to a higher standard than that trollish nonsense. I was just so mad, then I let the beast out and things got nasty. And you know how it's said that crazy people don't know they're crazy? It's true.

This is going on too long but please but bear with me here. It was around the time regwec made a thread calling for peace amongst batfans that I realized my trolling was out of control. Here was someone trying to achieve what I wanted too and I blindly ruined it. I knew that my desire for revenge was a problem then and decided to just quit posting, maybe forever. I needed to clear my head and so I've done that... There's no way I can erase the mistakes of the past, but like a prisoner released from jail, maybe I can just try to rebuild a better life, posting life, than the one before as pathetic as that sounds.

I'm really not this complete loonatic offline. But these internets they maka me carazay, show!

 

[The Kid]

Because you were agreeing with the The Kid's outlook on SR, which was a positive take on the film. The thing is, The Kid hates SR. But I don't think you knew that. He posted as Wesyeed for a long time and made his dislike for the film and Superman's son very clear. He's just trying to be cute now.



Exactly.

No, I'm not. *shrugs* It's my fault for being so stupid and giving people reason to distrust me, and I can't take it back, but I really wish I could.

Soon after the war was over, I compared it to Ang Lee's Hulk, another widely misunderstood movie I also liked very much. And really that's the reason I was the way I was... I wanted revenge for how Lee's hulk was treated and now I realize how foolish it was to let myself become this little monster. I want redemption so bad, you don't know... but I'll never get it. I have to live with all those old posts haunting me now.

 

[EL MAGNIFICO]

In my opinion, even if Warner Bros. reboots a la The Incredible Hulk, I don't think it can be connected in any way to Richard or Jason, otherwise it really isn't a reboot--it's a sequel.

Well not to burst anyone's bubble if it's a reboot then the cast, and crew of the last movie can't be involved.
If it's a sequel or a semi sequel or a re-tooled sequel then yes the same cast minus some aspects from SR.

What those things are who knows but it would be both idiotic, and silly to write out the child after they spent so much time introducing us to the son of Kal EL the piano tossing murderer is.

If the WB picks to re-hire Singer/Routh then expect the kid to return to kill another bad guy or two.

 

[El Payaso]

Exactly. That moment in the baseball park was the first in the movie for me, since I went into it expecting that Supes would have to win back the public.

That scene WAS the winning the public back.

When you save people from a horrible death you don't know how much of a quick forgivers they could be.

That's what the trailers and the plot synopses told us, anyway. But it wasn't even halfway through the movie and he had already done it. The rest of the movie was meh for me. What Lois and Lex had against Superman was personal, and he couldn't exactly get them to change their minds with a little convincing.

But precisely the fact that is personal is what makes it more substantial. That can't be a meh, that's what every superhero movie is about; the girl and the villain.

Again, I'm not saying they shouldn't have done a scene with people of Metropolis giving opinions on what Superman did, but this was clearly an intimate movie about Superman and what he feels.

The trailers were a little misguiding. But the blogs specially were an awful idea.

I can totally see a mother going up to Superman and asking him "Where were you when my children died in a fire 2 years ago?"

That could have been quite strong. I absolutely love the idea. But I don't think that defined what the next Superman movie should have been.

True, he doesn't exactly owe humanity anything, but neither did Oskar Schindler in Schindler's List and his "I could have done more" scene is one of the most powerful in cinema. In SR, all of the scenes that show Clark feeling guilty about the 5-year absence were cut, and we don't see the public coming to grips and forgiving him for it in the final version either.

The Schindler's List's scene you mention is about what Schindler feels, not about people reproaching him not being able to do more.

I saw a scene with Clark at the farm watching TV feeling terrible for all the violence that's happening, and probably happened while he was gone. It is not a replic from Schindler's List's scene but it didn't have to be. If we go that way, Superman should stop being Clark Kent since when he's being the journalist, even when he's sleeping, there are lives that could be saved and crimes that could be stopped. It's not necessary foir Superman to go to Krypton for having him saying "I could have done more if I didn't decide to have a secret identity."

Then again I - finally - saw a scene where Superman expresses how is it like to be able to listen everybody asking for a saviour. That scene clearly expresses how Superman can't help everybody and can't have one moment of rest. And that affects him.