Endgame The ramifications (Spoilers inside)

[Gold Samurai]

Okay so now it's five years later since the fallen left. Let's discuss the fall out/ ramification of coming back five years later or what's been going on in five years.

-Dr Strange- Well no one attacked the sanctum in five years

-Parker- picking up high school five years later. Surprisingly based on far from home none of Parker's friends were spared from the snap.

So Flash, MJ,Ned are all around the same age as Parker. Imagine if Ned wasn't apart of the snap and his personality changed

-Cassie Lang- Who took care of her? No mention of her mom and boyfriend.

-Hawkeye- Oh my god. I've been killing people for five years and now I've got to deal with the fall out after my family is back.

He just can't become the person he was five years ago. He's done unspeakable stuff while he was angry.

Those are just a few things

 

[Spider-Fan83]

the Dr Strange one is actually a very good point... if there is suppose to always be a Sorcerer Supreme in place to protect the world against magically threats, who has been protecting the world over the last five years? or are we to just assume all magically threats were also snaped lol

as for Hawkeye, yes after years of pissing off some of the most dangerous people/mobs/gangs/warlords I imagine he's created some very power enemies for himself {especial after the return, as many of the gang members or even family members of those he killed may have came back to find out what happened and wish to seek revenge} he'll really have to step up his game to keep his family save... going even farther off the grind, or being always on the run

 

[ZenTheAvenger]

I wonder what Baron Mordo has been up to this past five years... (assuming he wasn't snapped)

 

[metaphysician]

We saw a ton of sorcerers in the ending, presumably at least half of them had survived the Snap. So, who was guarding the Sanctums? The other sorcerers. Were they enough? Well, clearly yes, but since half of every threat probably *also* got snapped, its fine.

As for Clint and his family, I imagine the main fallout will be internal, as he struggles with having spent five years immersed in his worst potential. I kind of have a hard time imagining many people going after him for revenge, partly because of the Avengers collectively having PR somewhere slightly above Jesus right now, partly because the idea of going after this bringer of death is terrifying, and partly because he didn't leave people alive to hold grudges.

 

[Gold Samurai]

Five years without the guardians in space could have changed a lot of things

Adam Warlock could be matured

Ravager alliances broken down

No leadership in Wakanda

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Five years without the guardians in space could have changed a lot of things

Adam Warlock could be matured

Ravager alliances broken down

No leadership in Wakanda

Without having to worry about pesky things like elections, just someone of royal blood making a challenge I think Wakanda is unique qualified to go ahead without a leadership crises. Especially after the experience with Eric Killmonger still a recent political memory.

I do wonder if in the absence of their super soldier herb source if General Okoye was serving as the Black Panther and maybe as the Regent of Wakanda after the Battle of Wakanda and that 5 year period.

Politically I can see why she would not take the Black Panther armor and keeping her Dora Milaje armor if she was in that role.

 

[MrWayne]

the Dr Strange one is actually a very good point... if there is suppose to always be a Sorcerer Supreme in place to protect the world against magically threats, who has been protecting the world over the last five years? or are we to just assume all magically threats were also snaped lol

as for Hawkeye, yes after years of pissing off some of the most dangerous people/mobs/gangs/warlords I imagine he's created some very power enemies for himself {especial after the return, as many of the gang members or even family members of those he killed may have came back to find out what happened and wish to seek revenge} he'll really have to step up his game to keep his family save... going even farther off the grind, or being always on the run

Who's to say there magical attacks that often? We have an army in case of attack and to defend but how often do we need to use those? Not a biggie here.

As for Hawkeye... Well he wasn't Hawkeye anymore, he was Ronin. Hooded and masked up to protect his identity. He's fine man... lol

 

[MrWayne]

We saw a ton of sorcerers in the ending, presumably at least half of them had survived the Snap. So, who was guarding the Sanctums? The other sorcerers. Were they enough? Well, clearly yes, but since half of every threat probably *also* got snapped, its fine.

As for Clint and his family, I imagine the main fallout will be internal, as he struggles with having spent five years immersed in his worst potential. I kind of have a hard time imagining many people going after him for revenge, partly because of the Avengers collectively having PR somewhere slightly above Jesus right now, partly because the idea of going after this bringer of death is terrifying, and partly because he didn't leave people alive to hold grudges.

Why is everyone forgetting Clint wore a mask and a hood and had a whole new identity by the time of Endgame? Who would be able to find him??

 

[Random490]

I'm surprised the world was so stable considering. I was imagining the 5 year gap would be Wakanda and the Avengers coordinating to keep the world together. Because half the population is an event that could have governments fall and rise, armies in disarray, every system from trade to maintaining the internet would fall apart. But that's when I thought there was gonna be a big reset button. It was smart of them not to go too crazy and focus on the people dealing with loss aspect. Because the more they have the world of the MCU change, the less it resembles our own.

the Dr Strange one is actually a very good point... if there is suppose to always be a Sorcerer Supreme in place to protect the world against magically threats, who has been protecting the world over the last five years? or are we to just assume all magically threats were also snapped lol

as for Hawkeye, yes after years of pissing off some of the most dangerous people/mobs/gangs/warlords I imagine he's created some very power enemies for himself {especial after the return, as many of the gang members or even family members of those he killed may have came back to find out what happened and wish to seek revenge} he'll really have to step up his game to keep his family save... going even farther off the grind, or being always on the run

There are more than a handful of sorcerers, there's a small army. More than enough to protect 3 buildings, and there still could have been magical threats. Also Strange was never officially given the title of Sorcerer Supreme, that we know of. I feel as if the MCU treats Sorcerer Supreme more like a rank rather than a sacred mantle. As in the title isn't a chosen destined one like the comics but rather a position as leader of Kamar-Taj like "general".

Without having to worry about pesky things like elections, just someone of royal blood making a challenge I think Wakanda is unique qualified to go ahead without a leadership crises. Especially after the experience with Eric Killmonger still a recent political memory.

I do wonder if in the absence of their super soldier herb source if General Okoye was serving as the Black Panther and maybe as the Regent of Wakanda after the Battle of Wakanda and that 5 year period.

Politically I can see why she would not take the Black Panther armor and keeping her Dora Milaje armor if she was in that role.

Well the right to lead falls on royal blood from the five tribes, not just T’Challa's family. The only ones who have a named role are M'Baku, Nakia, and W'Kabi. We know that M'Baku survived the snap, I doubt W'Kabi would take it considering he aligned himself with Kilmonger. I think Nakia is the most likely to have held the throne in the interim. Okoye still seemed more like a general than a Queen, specially considering we only saw her in a conference call of other peacekeepers and not foreign leaders.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Why is everyone forgetting Clint wore a mask and a hood and had a whole new identity by the time of Endgame? Who would be able to find him??

Spoiler

Because of the potential for story. It doesn't take a big leap to write that someone learns his ID somehow. Especially given that in the MCU secret identities in general aren't emphasized. It would appear Barton as Hawkeye was known. That's assuming they want to go in that direction.

Going into another character and place:

Spoiler

In the five years of the snap it seems Wakanda was more open in dealing with the wider world. Yeah, Panther was already starting that process but the holo conference scene suggests one of his closest advisors and generals was working with what was left of the super hero community. This begs some questions. How much in the post snap world did the Wakandans share with the outside world? Yeah, they were dealing with their own snap issues for sure but their tech is so fantastically powerful and has so much variety in application that either answer for what they did in the post snap time raises some issues. If they didn't share tech and resources even in the face of an unimaginable apocalyptic event... It kinda makes them *******s. If they did... Well that means the MCU Earth should be even more radically different than before.

This is why I have a problem with the way the film left things. As the title of the thread states there should be HUGE ramifications all around to the point that MCU Earth on every level should be wholly different from our mundane world.

 

[Octavias]

I think not reversing the snap to the exact point it happened was a mistake that will have to be rectified in the future... it felt like a move made by directors not looking to the actual grand effect it would have in reality and on future projects

honestly every movie the russos did had a little of that. I think they broke a lot of really cool things telling their story their way.... great movies, but they screwed with continuity way too much... kind of happy they got snapped out of the marvel mcu future lol

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I think not reversing the snap to the exact point it happened was a mistake that will have to be rectified in the future... it felt like a move made by directors not looking to the actual grand effect it would have in reality and on future projects

honestly every movie the russos did had a little of that. I think they broke a lot of really cool things telling their story their way.... great movies, but they screwed with continuity way too much... kind of happy they got snapped out of the marvel mcu future lol

Well...

Spoiler

They didn't really mess with continuity. They went to lengths to get that across to the audience. The history of the main line MCU is still intact. There are now just branches from that main time line where things are different.

 

[Gold Samurai]

Spoiler

This is why I have a problem with the way the film left things. As the title of the thread states there should be HUGE ramifications all around to the point that MCU Earth on every level should be wholly different from our mundane world.

Parker- Hey. I'm joking with cops and going on a vacation!

Spoiler: Spoiler

Parker - I don't see anything wrong with missing five years and some of my classmates already possibly being in college

>_>

 

[Zorro]

That could still be a big part of the film despite not being in the trailers

 

[Gold Samurai]

That could still be a big part of the film despite not being in the trailers

I mean that's a lot to fit into a movie to discuss/ bring up

Spoiler: spoiler

Peter dealing with no Tony Stark
Peter on vacation
Peter being recruited by Nick Fury
Peter working with Beck
Peter building his relationship with MJ


I mean where would you find time to even bring up the matter that he's been gone for five years

It would have to be a 3 hour movie

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I mean that's a lot to fit into a movie to discuss/ bring up

Spoiler: spoiler

Peter dealing with no Tony Stark
Peter on vacation
Peter being recruited by Nick Fury
Peter working with Beck
Peter building his relationship with MJ


I mean where would you find time to even bring up the matter that he's been gone for five years

It would have to be a 3 hour movie

It's the first post AEG MCU film though. The reference to Tony being dead is in the trailer and its affect on Parker will obviously be part of his character. And sure I am not expecting a film like this to go deep into the logical ramifications of the sn, the five years living with it or the resurrections... But that's just it... I don't think Marvel Studios films are ever really going to do that. So... Why keep it as an event at all? It's both too big to ignore and too big to really explore.

 

[Zorro]

I mean that's a lot to fit into a movie to discuss/ bring up

Spoiler: spoiler

Peter dealing with no Tony Stark
Peter on vacation
Peter being recruited by Nick Fury
Peter working with Beck
Peter building his relationship with MJ


I mean where would you find time to even bring up the matter that he's been gone for five years

It would have to be a 3 hour movie

A conversation at the airport, plane or hotel. Simply a few lines in fine and doesn't need to be a big subplot throughout the film

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

A conversation at the airport, plane or hotel. Simply a few lines in fine and doesn't need to be a big subplot throughout the film

The people in the world disappear, DIE, the world lives with that for five years, then these presumed dead people come back... And that's all just wrapped up in a few lines?

That would feel really cheap.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

The people in the world disappear, DIE, the world lives with that for five years, then these presumed dead people come back... And that's all just wrapped up in a few lines?

That would feel really cheap.

I see two ways to handle it. The snapture and resurrection is either the subject of the movie or you let a TV series, which has the time to do it properly handle the story. Maybe the Disney + miniseries will go into detail the concepts that Far From Home might introduce.

 

[Zorro]

The people in the world disappear, DIE, the world lives with that for five years, then these presumed dead people come back... And that's all just wrapped up in a few lines?

That would feel really cheap.

Better than nothing and the conversation can be interrupted by something and so the characters focus on stuff in the present. It can be explored later in the Disney + shows or other films like Doctor Strange 2. I'm sure Black Panther 2 will go into it too with T'Challa's mother