Endgame The Ramificiations of Rapid Population Change

[psylockolussus]

Numbers are an issue, too- how many people died in car/plane/helicopter crashes? General disasters caused by the disappearance of the safety operators? Were they all brought back?

Probably not.

 

[Iceman]

I kind of feel like, even though Tony specifically told Hulk to only bring back those lost in the snap, the world (and universe) has actually been restored to a version of itself before the snap. Tony also said, "Don't change anything else", which kind of contradicts that but I think there's enough leeway between those two instructions and Hulk's actions to think that he subtley shunted time about so that maybe things aren't much different than they were before the snap.

I honestly don't expect anything to come up that really addresses any of it; they'll refer to it as "the other incident", or something, maybe mention that the world has moved on, but mostly just get one with things as though it's all normal and sorted now.

I do think it would have been better to have reversed the snap completely though because then Tony's sacrifice would be even more heart-wrenching; plus, the film could've ended with Petter discovering she was pregnant or something.

But then Morgan would never know her dad which I think is quite important to how the ending and assumed post-ending was intended to be set up.

 

[metaphysician]

Yeah... Except that of course...

Spoiler

Kang IS Immortus. So he's not gonna stress about the paper work he made for himself. Also... It was a joke.

I am well aware that Immortus is Kang. Also, you are totally wrong, Immortus spent a huge amount of time griping about the temporal paperwork his past self generated.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

I tend to be of the opinion that, if your train of thought leads to the idea "No, it is not actually a good idea to stop the galactic scale mass murder of trillions of people", then your train of thought is wrong and you should perhaps consider finding a different one.

not saying they shouldn't have tried to stop it or bring the people back... its the 5 years later that most people are hung up on

there's a difference between going back and stopping or undoing a
horrible event from ever happening... and just bring half the people back, after the other half had already had to live through those events

I'm always amazed at the lengths people go through to find technical problems in sci-fantasy movies.

I admit that I point out issues with sci-fi, since those movies tend to follow natural laws. For example the Martian book had a few issues, and the movie had several. On the other hand, the MCU movies have hundreds of problems with science that we must overlook if we want to enjoy the movies. Stark should have died in his prototype the first time he accelerated/decelerated).

it's not even about comparing it to our real world science facts, but comparing it to the fictional rules set further in this fictional world that have been clearing established in other movies, that were completely ignored, and even the contradictions within it's own set of rules

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Look, some things in a film based on comic book super heroes can be taken in and protected under the suspension of disbelief rubric without a problem, and mostly for myself that comes down to things like real world physics defying powers. I go in looking at that as the biggest thing to take for granted.

But if we start having the attitude of everything can be hand waved and "it's a super hero movie, so ANYTHING can go with no limits" then that just becomes a crutch for low quality plotting, characterization etc. It essentially puts the average episode of Power Rangers on the same level of the Nolan Bat films or LOGAN or the best MCU films.

No, I just don't see it that way.

That's not to say this is an easy one size fits all conundrum for every fan. I have stuff that I always think about but have to hand wave away. I always think about how there are revolutionary tech introduced that would radically change the world in the MCU but it's always been analogous to our everyday world. The arc reactor would be in every single car, home, plane and building in the US if Tony Stark were a real person and that in itself would have huge ripples across the planet in terms of economics, politics and international relations. Now... I hand wave that away because it would do what I say it would, fundamentally change MCU Earth into something radically different from our own and should then make these films themselves different. But that's it... Taking real stock of the ramifications of the Arc tech isn't what we go to an MCU film for. I hand wave the hell out of that and a lot more.

Here is however where there is a limit on that. The decimation and resurrection is just TOO BIG. Too big. It's not as easily hand waved away. Whatever affect the arc tech should have on the world? Yeah, that's a drop in a bucket compared to the ocean sized implications of the snap and return. And the films themselves are a big part of my own attitude about this. I mean, they went to great lengths to hammer home what Thanos' success meant to both the characters but also to their wider fictional world. The makers obviously wanted me to be invested and to care and believe in their story. That is a double edged sword. Get me started down the road of ramifications especially with such a gigantic event, and it's hard to take an exit once you've pretty far down that highway.

Which is why I think the better conclusion would have been what many would call a "cop out". Everything should have been restored to as it was, undoing that five years in total. I suspect I know why the film played out as it did. The creators wanted stakes, they wanted real change and they wanted a sense of finality for certain characters, perhaps even as a way to counter (valid) arguments that too many MCU films are merely calculated serviceable fluff. The key here is the introduction of Morgan Stark. Once you give Tony and adorable (Once more... CALCULATION PEOPLE!) five year old daughter the die is cast. People don't want to see that erased. They knew that. They also knew they wanted to not have to deal with any kind of contentious debate or deep ethical questions. All this resulted in the conclusion of an MCU world that lived through an apocalyptic event and its aftermath for five years, then lived through a world wide (universe wide really) miracle of the dead returning. And now, as far as we know with only the next Spidey film to gauge, they seem to want us to accept that life would proceed as it would before the for everyone that is NOT a super hero?

This isn't as simple a hand wave for some.