The Real Truth Behind the Marvel Price Hikes

You bring up some good points.

Keep in mind that I never said this was necessarily a good idea (it may or may not be. I don't have the data that they do.) It may completely blow up in their face. Because once fans leave, it is very hard to get them back.

BUT, I don't have problem one with a company trying to find what the appropriate price is. As side income, I have a few rental properties (get back to me on the swampland. It sounds like the business plan is to throw kids into a swamp. If so, I'm in.) Now, I'd like to think that I offer a fair price for decent housing. Part of that whole process is deciding how much the local market will bear. After determining that, I can do one of a few things: I could price it higher than the local rate, and maybe let it stand vacant longer. I could price it low, shorten my vacancy time, but get less profit. Part of that calculation is how much time I want to spend tending to tenants needs; ie, people who pay a lot, want a lot. Now, I'm the one taking the risk, taking out the mortgage, paying the insurance, yada, yada, yada. Should I take less money because all of a sudden the economy turned bad? I may have no choice in the matter, but I don't lose sleep that I didn't lower my rents because other people all over the country were irresponsible and caused a recession.

Marvel has to make these same calculations, and either they make them right and reap the benefits, or wrong and pay the price.

Let me put it another way. Let's say they decide to raise prices to $6 a comic, and sales don't drop at all. That's a lot of money left on the table. And because sales didn't (in this fake scenario) go down, well, who's really being hurt here. Am I supposed to follow these poor schmucks around who don't know that they should pay their rent and utilities before buying comics. uh-uh. If they don't know how to spend money wisely, well, I've got an apartment to rent them.....


I understand what you're saying but there are a few things you're not mentioning. First off marvel has already lied about the reason for the price increase. Nothing wrong with being upset when someone lies to your face and takes your money.

Secondly, yes I'm gonna drown small children in the swamp.

Your analogy is a touch flawed. Let me reset it for you. You've got these tenents and a rent rate that is making you money. There's a recession and you're still making money. Would you then suddenly raise the rent by one third just to see if you could get some extra money? It seems reckless and quite a bit dickish.

Also, I like Marvel. I like them as a company and want to see them around so my kids can read things like Spider-Man (who should be back to being a hero by that time) so maybe I can place a little morality in their evil little hearts. So I'm not just upset because they're taking my money away but I also think this is piss poor buisness. The industry has shown that when the bubble bursts companies suffer badly. Marvel is all short term here and it's gonna bite them in the ass. Did they learn nothing from the 90s? Conduct it like a buisness, that's great and fine by me, but maybe using enron as that buisness model wasn't the best call.
 
You're a scalper?

I prefer "Broker", but yeah. I'm not in the parking lots selling tickets. I work from home. I buy tickets from Ticketmaster and resell them on Stubhub. For as much as I can, as much as the market will bear.
 
I get that you prefer 'broker', but well, you're a scalper. I'm not going to start a discussion, I just want to state that I have some definite problems with your business practices. Good luck with it though.
 
Aloha,
With the exception of Dark Avengers and Avenger: The Initiative, you can get all of the other titles you mentioned from Marvel for $19.97 for 12 issues($1.66 per issue).So while the Newstand price is rising, Marvel WANTS people to subscribe.Marvel makes more of the money from comics that they sell through subscription than they do from selling to a distributor (middle man).Not necessarily you JH but sometimes I think folks just WANT to have something to be pissed off about instead of seeking out solutions.Marvel subscription is one solution.
Spidey rules

It's definately an option but I don't often have the money to pay for them in lump sum like that. If I lay down $19.97 for one title then that week I buy maybe an issue or two and I'm already behind a good 5 or 6 issues. Then the next week I purchase another subscription for another title and I'm behind another 5 or 6. See, I've had subscriptions in the past when I couldn't get to a comic shop but once a month. I liked them but nowadays with a family and living paycheck to paycheck, to just dish out that much cash at one time is impossible.

For the record, JewishHobbit, MIGHTY AVENGERS and AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE are both still $2.99. While Dan Slott's debut issue of MIGHTY AVENGERS, issue #21, was $3.99, it also had more story pages; I think about 34-36 pages of story (no reprints, no back-ups, the story was just longer). I still enjoy both.

Oh I know they're both still $2.99, and they're both the titles that I put on the 'potential drop list' last. I wouldn't be dropping them for their prices but because I don't see the point in collecting some Avenger books without the core Avenger books that they revolve around. So for me, I'd rather drop all the Avengers then just bits and pieces. I'm a bit of a completionist and can't buy just parts of a genre. The most recent issue of Mighty (not the one that just came out today as I can't get my comics until Friday) sold me on the book, but it's new enough to where I won't miss it. However, as I said before, I LOVE Initiative and it's usually one of my favorite books in the month so I may make an exception for that one for as long as it can be read separately.
 
I get that you prefer 'broker', but well, you're a scalper. I'm not going to start a discussion, I just want to state that I have some definite problems with your business practices. Good luck with it though.

OK. Fair enough. I'm sorry you feel that way.
 
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I get that you prefer 'broker', but well, you're a scalper. I'm not going to start a discussion, I just want to state that I have some definite problems with your business practices. Good luck with it though.

Got nailed with fake jonas bros tickets, huh? Probably didn't even get a purity ring for your troubles.
 
I'm in. Have your lawyers talk to my lawyers. (Aw, who am I kidding. I don't have a lawyer, let's just start chucking them....)

See that's your problem right there, if you don't weight them first how do you expect them to stay under?
 
It's not about being apologists. Businesses are in business to MAKE MONEY.

Recession or not.

"They should lower the price because we're in a recession. Comics should be cheaper because I just lost my job. I'm having a hard time making rent because Amazing Spider-Man comes out 3 times a month and that's not fair."

Grow up.

Why are you outraged that a company wants to make more money?

I'm a ticket broker. I bought Detroit Red Wings tickets for the Finals at $350 per ticket. I sold them for game 1 at $1000 each. And yes, even though we're in a recession and Michigan is in shambles, people are paying $2,000.00 for a pair in the lower bowl.

Now, am I not supposed to take their money because we're in a recession?? Call it greed, call it unethical, call me a scalper, whatever, I'm trying to get as much as I can, just like Marvel. Just like every other business. Screw the recession.

That's the way it works boys. Sorry if that's not fair, but that's the way it is.

so you likened what Marvel is doing to a criminal practice...nice way of making my point for me
 
I understand what you're saying but there are a few things you're not mentioning. 1. First off marvel has already lied about the reason for the price increase. Nothing wrong with being upset when someone lies to your face and takes your money.

Secondly, yes I'm gonna drown small children in the swamp.

Your analogy is a touch flawed. Let me reset it for you. You've got these tenents and a rent rate that is making you money. There's a recession and you're still making money. 2.Would you then suddenly raise the rent by one third just to see if you could get some extra money? It seems reckless and quite a bit dickish.

Also, I like Marvel. I like them as a company and want to see them around so my kids can read things like Spider-Man (who should be back to being a hero by that time) so maybe I can place a little morality in their evil little hearts. So I'm not just upset because they're taking my money away but I also think this is piss poor buisness. The industry has shown that when the bubble bursts companies suffer badly. Marvel is all short term here and it's gonna bite them in the ass. Did they learn nothing from the 90s? Conduct it like a buisness, that's great and fine by me, but maybe using enron as that buisness model wasn't the best call.


I thought I'd adress these other points:

1. And I don't excuse that. Won't even try to make excuses for them. You get caught in a lie: man up, say you're sorry, and try to move on and make up for it. Period. Won't get an argument from me there.

2. I want to answer this in a way that I don't completely come off as a slumlord, but the simple answer is yes, I would. Let me expand your analogy a little, though, to make it more comparable to Marvel's situation (or at least how they see it.) Say for years and years, I've been renting an apartment for $300. It's enough to cover the mortgage (cost of doing business) and maybe $50 left over as profit. This is simplified, because it's a little more complex than that, but I've already put half the forum to sleep. Now, say last month a friend of mine told me that I'm severely underpricing my apt (Hey, dope, did you notice your apartment rented out in, like, an hour?!?!) So after doing some market research, I find out that all the comps in the area are going for $550. Well, now I have a problem. I can't (legally, or morally imo) just raise the rent on my current tenant. Even when their lease runs out, I would be pretty harsh to raise their rent by almost 100%. So in this case, I would talk to him, find out how long he's planning on living there. If it's just the remainder of the year, no problem, I'll raise rent with the next tenant. If he's going to remain long term, I'll have to explain that there will be increases over the next few years (but I wouldn't be able to come anywhere near $250) Now, keep in mind, nowhere in this scenario did a recession come anywhere into the equation. Cause frankly, if all these people in my neighborhood are able to afford rents at that rate, well, why isn't the recession affecting them? My tenant will have to make a decision: either this neighborhood is worth the extra money, or it isn't.

Now, as for Marvel (extracting out the lying aspect of it), what's different than the model I laid out. Well, for one, other than subscribers, they don't have long-term contracts. Now, you could say that they have a bit of a social contract with it's readers, but I would say that's thin. So they can really change thir price at any time. And I wouldn't judge them one bit. (If they jumped to $50 an issue, I would judge them for making a bad business decision, but only if sales fell :p )

Also, they can't go on a case by case basis as I can do with my tenants. I suppose if I started buying 200 unit apartment buldings, that would become problematic for me too. So they make across the board decisions.

Here's what I suspect is going on: Lately, I've noticed marvel putting a lot of titles out. In fact, at my LCBS, they've been encroaching on what has always seemed to be DC shelf space. This reminds me a lot of the 90s when there were titles for almost everything. So obviously there's a demand. You can see the response here about price increases. People pare down their list to those titles that they absolutely love. And they'll pay the higher price for them. I think Marvel wants a leaner line: less creative talent to pay (or you can pay them more), and less printing costs relative to the profit per issue. What's the drawback of doing this: niche titles are harder to try out. Would the space line have been given a go under a leaner Marvel: probably not. But I've had a thought for a while that I think is in Marvel's plans: I've seen a few good comics "tested" on Marvel Digital, only later to be printed up and sold. I think this is where things like Annihilation, Runaways, Young Avengers will get their start in the future. Just a hunch. If that's really the case, they have work to do on Marvel Digital ( or md, for short ;) )
 
Criminal?? No one is committing a crime.

I set the price up front and people pay it. Where's the crime in that? If they decide it's too much or I'm a big mean scalper, guess what? They don't buy 'em. No harm no foul.

No one is being fooled or taken for a ride or scapled.

It's called Supply and Demand.

There's only so many front row Jonas Brothers and Hannah Montana tickets out there. If you want them, you gotta pay for 'em. Not only that, you gotta pay more than the other guy is willing to.


Same thing with comics. If you're pissed Marvel is asking too much for Pet Avengers, or your offended they want to make more money in the down economy than YOU think they should....don't buy it. The choice is, was and always will be yours.
 
so you likened what Marvel is doing to a criminal practice...nice way of making my point for me

That is the lamest example of criminal practice that I've heard in a long time. Are we going to accuse Marvel of jaywalking next.


And you totally missed the point that he's a redwings fan. Go Pens (we would NEVER sell our tickets...)
 
Edit. Didn't mean to imply that illegal activities should be condoned or really justified; or any notion of entitlement.
 
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That is the lamest example of criminal practice that I've heard in a long time. Are we going to accuse Marvel of jaywalking next.


And you totally missed the point that he's a redwings fan. Go Pens (we would NEVER sell our tickets...)

Well, when you've won the Cup as many times as we have, *yawn* it gets old after awhile. :cwink:
 
Let me make sure I get this straight: Ticket brokering is a criminal activity because you're making money. But illegal downloading is alright because you deserve to get the product (which costs money to make) for free.
 
2. I want to answer this in a way that I don't completely come off as a slumlord, but the simple answer is yes, I would. Let me expand your analogy a little, though, to make it more comparable to Marvel's situation (or at least how they see it.) Say for years and years, I've been renting an apartment for $300. It's enough to cover the mortgage (cost of doing business) and maybe $50 left over as profit. This is simplified, because it's a little more complex than that, but I've already put half the forum to sleep. Now, say last month a friend of mine told me that I'm severely underpricing my apt (Hey, dope, did you notice your apartment rented out in, like, an hour?!?!) So after doing some market research, I find out that all the comps in the area are going for $550. Well, now I have a problem. I can't (legally, or morally imo) just raise the rent on my current tenant. Even when their lease runs out, I would be pretty harsh to raise their rent by almost 100%. So in this case, I would talk to him, find out how long he's planning on living there. If it's just the remainder of the year, no problem, I'll raise rent with the next tenant. If he's going to remain long term, I'll have to explain that there will be increases over the next few years (but I wouldn't be able to come anywhere near $250) Now, keep in mind, nowhere in this scenario did a recession come anywhere into the equation. Cause frankly, if all these people in my neighborhood are able to afford rents at that rate, well, why isn't the recession affecting them? My tenant will have to make a decision: either this neighborhood is worth the extra money, or it isn't.

Ah but you're being disingenious there with the analogy. You put in the stipulation that you're underpriced, and implying marvel is too, but marvel has always been on the cutting edge of price increases. So if you're charging as much as the most expensive places around and then you increase rent by a third (which is a huge increase) during a recession just to see if you can, without offering anything more well then you are a slum lord.

Now, as for Marvel (extracting out the lying aspect of it), what's different than the model I laid out. Well, for one, other than subscribers, they don't have long-term contracts. Now, you could say that they have a bit of a social contract with it's readers, but I would say that's thin. So they can really change thir price at any time. And I wouldn't judge them one bit. (If they jumped to $50 an issue, I would judge them for making a bad business decision, but only if sales fell :p )

The difference is listed above. I do think this is a bad buisness decission which will eventually backfire and hurt an industry I love.

Also, they can't go on a case by case basis as I can do with my tenants. I suppose if I started buying 200 unit apartment buldings, that would become problematic for me too. So they make across the board decisions.

No, you can't so you have to see the trends in the marketplace. Most buisnesses are suffering and struggling for clients. Most are reducing prices and offering incentives from car companies to coke. I cannot think of another buisness that is actually doing well that decided to increase price for no other reason than profit.

Here's what I suspect is going on: Lately, I've noticed marvel putting a lot of titles out. In fact, at my LCBS, they've been encroaching on what has always seemed to be DC shelf space. This reminds me a lot of the 90s when there were titles for almost everything. So obviously there's a demand. You can see the response here about price increases. People pare down their list to those titles that they absolutely love. And they'll pay the higher price for them. I think Marvel wants a leaner line: less creative talent to pay (or you can pay them more), and less printing costs relative to the profit per issue. What's the drawback of doing this: niche titles are harder to try out. Would the space line have been given a go under a leaner Marvel: probably not. But I've had a thought for a while that I think is in Marvel's plans: I've seen a few good comics "tested" on Marvel Digital, only later to be printed up and sold. I think this is where things like Annihilation, Runaways, Young Avengers will get their start in the future. Just a hunch. If that's really the case, they have work to do on Marvel Digital ( or md, for short ;) )

Ah, now we're on creative output vs strict buisness practices, which I view a great deal as long term vs. short term. As much as some people here would like to make it seem, marvel isn't strictly a buisness. Nothing in a creative industry is, they produce art, and art is a bit harder to understand than a simple buisness model. You never know when you're going to get the next big hit and you never know if that writer you're dropping to lean down is gonna be the next grant morrison or such. You can save a dollar now and possibly loss millions later by acting completely buisness like in this industry. If you know something is quality, it can at times be better to take a hit and produce an outstanding product, ensuring creator and customer loyality to you rather than pissing off people that could be vital down the line. It's a hard thing to deal with and make decissions on, but you lose a lot of stars by treating everything as just buisness.



On a side note, my friends and I used to jump scalpers for their tickets. It was pretty awesome.
 
Not quite as well as your Steelers, Clones. But it's a "rebuilding" year. It has been since 1954.
 
I download some, and Marvel keeps giving me reasons to do so. I'm not supporting $3.99 issues and overpriced trades in unnecessary hardcovers or stuffed with reprints.
Let me make sure I get this straight: Ticket brokering is a criminal activity because you're making money. But illegal downloading is alright because you deserve to get the product (which costs money to make) for free.
No, it's not. Please stop mentioning illegal downloads on the Hype. I'm being courteous with this warning; next time I start infracting.
 
Uh-huh. Who's a criminal now?

Me, I am, pick me!!!*raises hand high*

I wasn't saying anything about criminal activity *lights joint* I love me some crime. And crimes against people commiting crimes is especially sweet cause no one can go to the cops.

Although beating up a lions fan would be like burning someone with terminal cancer, you just can't make some people's lives any ****tier.
 
Ha. As long as you pass that joint this way, it's all good.

Puff puff give.
 
Ah but you're being disingenious there with the analogy. You put in the stipulation that you're underpriced, and implying marvel is too, but marvel has always been on the cutting edge of price increases. So if you're charging as much as the most expensive places around and then you increase rent by a third (which is a huge increase) during a recession just to see if you can, without offering anything more well then you are a slum lord.

I don't think I am. I think that Marvel thinks they're underpriced. Now, they're market research is able to be a little more sophisticated than mine ( I mean, really, I'm just comparing on Craig's List). That would be my assumption: that they are doing surveys, etc. Maybe the majority shareholder's crazy nephew Eddie told him to do it. I don't know.To use my analogy, if the local apts. that I'm comparing to raise their prices, and people still pay, well, that's what the market will bear, ie, they were underpriced before, recession or no recession.

And by the way, "the recession" is just an excuse. Because I doubt that when we had a growing economy, anybody said, "Hey Marvel, the economy's growing. Don't you thing you should raise you some prices?"
 

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