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The Real Truth Behind the Marvel Price Hikes

To no one's surprise, I got your back, Clones.

I do really like Dread's Idea about quarter increments. though. It's nice when you have a price range to choose from, expensive or not.
 
Marvel did not cause this recession. Neither did Apple, Microsoft, Coca-Cola, Hasbro, or any other company out there making products and trying to make a profit. The banking system, along with idiot home-buyers did.

Marvel is not a non-profit getting a tax exemption. If they were, I would 100% agree with you. If they took bailout money (remember that banking industry), I would 100% agree with you. But they aren't. They are a publicly traded company whose shareholders actually want them to make as much ROI as humanly possible.

To say that profit-producing companies like Marvel (or DC, or Image) who actually produce something should boulder the burden of the recession, while execs at places like Goldman Sachs, take public money, post a profit, and return to business as usual (bonuses) is unfair, to say the least.

And to suggest that they should hold back on increasing revenues as some kind of charity gesture, would be no different than my boss suggesting to me that I not take my raise this year, because the economy is bad. And that's my fault how?

Now, again, I'm not saying this is a wise move, for the same reasons you cite. And I could probably name a few more that make this a risky business decision. But I absolutely support them in making pricing choices. And if fans don't like it, well, I'm taking a trip to Russia in a few weeks. I'll come back and report on the thriving comics business in a place that did believe that price controls were the way to go.


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Nuts... I left my "America: Love It or Leave It" flag in my other pants...

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Marvel did not cause this recession. Neither did Apple, Microsoft, Coca-Cola, Hasbro, or any other company out there making products and trying to make a profit. The banking system, along with idiot home-buyers did.

Marvel is not a non-profit getting a tax exemption. If they were, I would 100% agree with you. If they took bailout money (remember that banking industry), I would 100% agree with you. But they aren't. They are a publicly traded company whose shareholders actually want them to make as much ROI as humanly possible.

To say that profit-producing companies like Marvel (or DC, or Image) who actually produce something should boulder the burden of the recession, while execs at places like Goldman Sachs, take public money, post a profit, and return to business as usual (bonuses) is unfair, to say the least.

And to suggest that they should hold back on increasing revenues as some kind of charity gesture, would be no different than my boss suggesting to me that I not take my raise this year, because the economy is bad. And that's my fault how?

Now, again, I'm not saying this is a wise move, for the same reasons you cite. And I could probably name a few more that make this a risky business decision. But I absolutely support them in making pricing choices. And if fans don't like it, well, I'm taking a trip to Russia in a few weeks. I'll come back and report on the thriving comics business in a place that did believe that price controls were the way to go.

See, here I thought there is a middle ground between socialism and Scrooge style, "one coal ember for heat a month is more than enough for the peons" capitalism. Since when did I say Marvel caused the recession?

Although Marvel has had a few cynical cash grabs now and again that have put retailers in the middle. The commercial success of CAPTAIN AMERICA #600, for instance, is debatable. Some shops made a killing. Others have $4 books in the dozens they can't move or return. But I guess since we're all capitalists, the struggles of retailers in this market, a shrinking market, are worthless to consider.

The price hikes don't only effect customers; they effect retailers, too. They buy comics from Diamond at about 50% cover price; when said cover price jumps IN ONE LEAP some 50%, that increases retailer's costs. Retailers, unlike the government and to a greater degree than mega corporations that toss around figures like "a half billion" like water, have a thing called a "budget". If it costs more to buy, say, 30 copies of NEW AVENGERS, that means something has to be cut, and the margin for error is less. The result? Most new launches are DOA because shops can't gamble on them while shelling out more for the books that do move like HULK or NEW AVENGERS that would move regardless of price. The result, if you look at sales charts since the price hikes, is that the Top 100 has become more, shall we say, "capitalist"; the gap between top sellers and books nearing cancellation numbers is widening. Books that sell under 40,000 copies make the Top 50 now. That was impossible in 2007. Basically what has happened is the price gouges, ironically on the titles with no sales trouble rather than failing books to recoup profits that were lost by dimming sales, is that the big books have become larger cash hogs, eating more slop than the smaller pigs.

My point is that while Marvel didn't cause the recession, they still are a cog floating in it's waters. Now may not be the best time to so blatently test the patience of fans, many of whom may have lost wages, work hours, or jobs. Notice that DC also has done price hikes, but immediately launched a campaign of, "we'll add back up strips so you get value for your extra buck on those $4.99 titles" and the outcry has been far less. Marvel never once thought of doing that until DC beat them to it, and that is telling. The notion of giving fans value for their money, instead of taking them for as much as the threshold will allow, was almost akin to a chimp discovering their own reflection; took too long by rational human standards. Comic book licenses are big; comic book selling itself is a cottage, fragile industry, and I don't see toying with it's diminishing and aging fans as being in long term interest. I'm 27, and I'm at the high end of average for a comic fan's age. But then again, bankers never thought their system would collapse, either. I'm sure the boys at 90's Marvel never thought relying on trading cards for 48% of sales profits would ever crumble, either. The Obama Spidey issue sold over a half million copies for novelty range. Nice cash grab. But how many fans did it create for ASM without that gimmick? Zero. Not a solitary ONE person. The fact that Marvel and DC have long ago lost the struggle for new fans to manga is a quiet scandal. The fact that Marvel and DC's only strategy of getting new fans is to hope their old ones procreate and pass down the hobby to a new generation is so obvious, it wouldn't be unreasonable if one of those two companies started funding a "geek to geek" style dating service. It is their ONLY hope of getting anyone too young to drink into a comic shop for anything other than manga or Yu Gi Oh cards.

Had Marvel spent a year slowly building price ranges, the outcry would have been less. Instead, they played a game of, "Let's see how much the suckers will pay" and then don't flat out admit it when asked. The Joe Q EIC tenure has seen the rise of Marvel as a more profitable company, and many good creative decisions. It's the PR department that still needs work. Hiring a coach to give lessons on how not to seem condescending or arrogant in an interview would probably be worth the price of a workshop or two. I mean, it's not like they can't afford it.

Again, I would love to see Joe Q, on the street, trying to convince anyone under 18 to pay him $4 for a comic book without outright lying (such as saying it will be "worth something someday"). It'd be a YouTube classic.

Again, if a comic is more than 22 pages, I usually will justify the $3.99 price and often do in reviews. It's the books that don't that sometimes earn some ire. Is it really worth paying more for THOR because it's over 600 issues now? Really?
 
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You know , for how much I hear about Marvel's cash grab, and how irresponsible they are in these oh so trying times, where's the fans responsibility? I mean, Marvel does offer a subscription service that gives you a lot of these titles for almost half off. They'll replace ones that are damaged. And they'll even let you switch titles. I find it a little hollow to hear fans talk about how they're being ripped off when they won't take the slightest step at saving money for themselves. If people want to just sit back and give what life hands them, or just don't want to go through the inconvenience of trying to save money, I'm not going to shed any tears for them.

As far as the under-18 argument: I regularly see scads of them plunking down 4 or 5 bucks for a mocha-crappa-poopa-ccino without blinking an eye for a product that will literally be in the toilet a few hours later. And they do this every single day. Somehow they find the money. Maybe JQ can just hire Starbucks PR guy.
 
Comic book licenses are big; comic book selling itself is a cottage, fragile industry, and I don't see toying with it's diminishing and aging fans as being in long term interest. I'm 27, and I'm at the high end of average for a comic fan's age.
My boss went into my comic book store one time and he was told that I am the youngest regular customer there. I was quite shocked to hear that. And it kinda saddens me that there really isn't anyone younger than 21 (I've been going there since I was 18). Damn shame, damn damn shame.

Again, if a comic is more than 22 pages, I usually will justify the $3.99 price and often do in reviews. It's the books that don't that sometimes earn some ire. Is it really worth paying more for THOR because it's over 600 issues now? Really?
To tell you the truth, I was very content paying $5 for Amazing Spider-Man #600. The amount of content in it was worth the price, and no reprints or adds either. The only think I wished that they had was a cover gallery like they did for Thor, Incredible Hulk, and Captain America.

Incredible Hulk #600 on the other hand was not worth the $5. Especially since it came out on the same day as Amazing Spider-Man #600. Yeah it had the cover to cover gallery that I like and it was funny seeing how they explained their numbering by including the first issue of Incredible Hercules, but they included ads and a reprint of Hulk: Grey #1. Along with an inferior story, it paled in comparison to what Amazing Spider-Man offered.
 
You know , for how much I hear about Marvel's cash grab, and how irresponsible they are in these oh so trying times, where's the fans responsibility? I mean, Marvel does offer a subscription service that gives you a lot of these titles for almost half off. They'll replace ones that are damaged. And they'll even let you switch titles. I find it a little hollow to hear fans talk about how they're being ripped off when they won't take the slightest step at saving money for themselves. If people want to just sit back and give what life hands them, or just don't want to go through the inconvenience of trying to save money, I'm not going to shed any tears for them.

Not every ongoing can be subscribed to. You also cannot subscribe to mini's. Subscriptions are routinely late as well. But, yes, it is an option for the patient. You still would have to go to the shop and pay full cover price for mini's as well as ongoings that are not available for subscription, usually because Marvel editorial imagines canceling or relaunching them before long.

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As far as the under-18 argument: I regularly see scads of them plunking down 4 or 5 bucks for a mocha-crappa-poopa-ccino without blinking an eye for a product that will literally be in the toilet a few hours later. And they do this every single day. Somehow they find the money. Maybe JQ can just hire Starbucks PR guy.

I agree with you on this point; Marvel and comics in general need better pitch-men and women to try to expand their market. Right now every move is usually at getting more blood from devoted fanboy stones. A writer at CBR one asked, "where is the Billie Mays of comics?" Sure, comics is basically $3-$4 for about 5-10 minutes of entertainment, but some informercials offer a lot less. There needs to be some attempt to try to sell to some who aren't converted. The belief that movie ticket sales translate to comic sales is bull, and has been wrong for, oh, only the last 8-9 years. As for what it would take, that is the job of Marvel's paid people to figure out.

Joe Q claims he tries to do his part by leaving comics in random locations as he travels or talking to kids he stumbles across (usually the children of older fans, again that generational thing), but there has to be a larger attempt at this sort of concept. Simply hoping that enough fans procreate to create new generations is not good enough. It does work, but this is not a strategy unless Marvel, again, literally pays for dating sites to hook their fans up. Which, while silly, at least would probably be a neat PR stunt.

Whether $2.99 or $2.50, there are books geared towards children, given leeway in terms of sales; the question remains whether kids actually read them. I know most kids will avoid stuff that seems "kiddie" as they want to act like adults. I knew as a kid I never wanted to read the 99 cent "Cartoon Spidey" book...I wanted to read AMAZING SPIDER-MAN outright. I do agree, though, that Marvel should try to pitch their stuff better. That means some, gasp, creativity or, shock, taking a risk. Not repeating failed strategies. Too often I see ideas from the 80's or 90's being shoved into 2009 and they simply won't work.

My boss went into my comic book store one time and he was told that I am the youngest regular customer there. I was quite shocked to hear that. And it kinda saddens me that there really isn't anyone younger than 21 (I've been going there since I was 18). Damn shame, damn damn shame.

It is, and a potential problem. Comics are a luxury item. If the older fans do cut back on buying them as the recession looms, as many even on SHH have, then the inability to replace them even in the short term could be a problem for retailers at least.

I haven't seen anyone under 18 walk into a comic book store for anything other than manga, trading cards, or because they were with a parent that was buying comics, for about 15 years. At least in New York.

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To tell you the truth, I was very content paying $5 for Amazing Spider-Man #600. The amount of content in it was worth the price, and no reprints or adds either. The only think I wished that they had was a cover gallery like they did for Thor, Incredible Hulk, and Captain America.

Incredible Hulk #600 on the other hand was not worth the $5. Especially since it came out on the same day as Amazing Spider-Man #600. Yeah it had the cover to cover gallery that I like and it was funny seeing how they explained their numbering by including the first issue of Incredible Hercules, but they included ads and a reprint of Hulk: Grey #1. Along with an inferior story, it paled in comparison to what Amazing Spider-Man offered.

As I have stated, if a comic offers more than 22 pages of content, REAL content (not sketches/script pages/previews), then I often defend the price. Just this week in the B/T thread I noted how IMMORTAL WEAPONS #1 had 37 pages of story, a 30 page lead story and a 7 page back up. At $3.99 that is a fine package. The first issue or two of SECRET INVASION actually did have more than 22 pages. I do understand that comics likely rely more on ad revenue than outright sales for profits in the print arm, and ad revenue for magazines in general has taken a hit since 4th quarter 2008. Many magazines have folded; Wizard is only around because Gareb Shamus is akin to "the Willy Wonka of comics magazines" as one podcast called him. That said, most anyone will bristle at a 33% price jump for little reason with nothing extra added. If you think about the price of comics back in 1999, the price jumps of the last decade have been quite high. Comic prices were stable for decades in earlier eras. It's the 21st century that has proven different. Comic weathered recessions before, but that was back when many were under a dollar. So far Marvel has held steady within the recession print profits wise, but it remains to be seen how long the recession will last and if the price shifts will have any major effect. Personally I see it having the effect of widening the gap between top sellers and soon-to-be-canceled fodder, but that's just ancedote level theory.

Paying $5 for a comic is a bristle, but for over 100 pages of content, it is a fair package.
 
It is, and a potential problem. Comics are a luxury item. If the older fans do cut back on buying them as the recession looms, as many even on SHH have, then the inability to replace them even in the short term could be a problem for retailers at least.
I'm not cutting back on needless tie-ins because of the recession. I'm cutting back because I'm not paying $3.99 for a needless tie-in.

I haven't seen anyone under 18 walk into a comic book store for anything other than manga, trading cards, or because they were with a parent that was buying comics, for about 15 years. At least in New York.
Hey, I live in New York as well. I live in Upstate, what part are you from.

As I have stated, if a comic offers more than 22 pages of content, REAL content (not sketches/script pages/previews), then I often defend the price. Just this week in the B/T thread I noted how IMMORTAL WEAPONS #1 had 37 pages of story, a 30 page lead story and a 7 page back up. At $3.99 that is a fine package. The first issue or two of SECRET INVASION actually did have more than 22 pages. I do understand that comics likely rely more on ad revenue than outright sales for profits in the print arm, and ad revenue for magazines in general has taken a hit since 4th quarter 2008. Many magazines have folded; Wizard is only around because Gareb Shamus is akin to "the Willy Wonka of comics magazines" as one podcast called him. That said, most anyone will bristle at a 33% price jump for little reason with nothing extra added. If you think about the price of comics back in 1999, the price jumps of the last decade have been quite high. Comic prices were stable for decades in earlier eras. It's the 21st century that has proven different. Comic weathered recessions before, but that was back when many were under a dollar. So far Marvel has held steady within the recession print profits wise, but it remains to be seen how long the recession will last and if the price shifts will have any major effect. Personally I see it having the effect of widening the gap between top sellers and soon-to-be-canceled fodder, but that's just ancedote level theory.

Paying $5 for a comic is a bristle, but for over 100 pages of content, it is a fair package.

I have no problem paying $3.99 or $4.99 for an anniversary issue, it's the regular issues I have the problem with. There's literally just no reason for Bendis comics to cost $3.99 when I can get a Johns and Morrison comic for $2.99 and be more satisfied.
 
Marvel has the right to charge what they please. That doesn't mean I like it though. I hope they've lost business because of this. I know that the increase has cost them some of my business. I may not matter, but enough people being discouraged because of the increase may actually do something. I stopped buying one-shots and mini-series when the price jumped. "Trade-waiting" just became a new hobby for me...
 
I'm not cutting back on needless tie-ins because of the recession. I'm cutting back because I'm not paying $3.99 for a needless tie-in.

Fair enough. For me they have made me hesitant to buy mini's and new launch series that are $4. For me to try a new mini or series at $4 a pop that I have not had a vested interest in already, it has to be damn amazing by word of mouth/Internet. Frankly one should want to make a number one issue cheap to encourage people trying it out; making it $4 simply to capitalize on what is usually the peak of a launch's sales is short sighted. But I digress. Some wise acre will mention that Vertigo's $1 launches haven't exactly wound up on the Top 10.

hippie_hunter said:
Hey, I live in New York as well. I live in Upstate, what part are you from.

Says it under my profile. I am in the outer boroughs. Miles away. Or at least a ride on a fancy train like the LIRR or NJT.

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I have no problem paying $3.99 or $4.99 for an anniversary issue, it's the regular issues I have the problem with. There's literally just no reason for Bendis comics to cost $3.99 when I can get a Johns and Morrison comic for $2.99 and be more satisfied.

I understand. I'll still get CAPTAIN AMERICA and THOR at $4 an issue, although upping the price to "celebrate" a milestone #600 and up run is a bit daft really. It breed cynicism.

The thing is, things go both ways. Joe Q and company have many times lashed against some fans who can be nasty, hard to please, ignorant, and so on. And plenty exist. But there needs to be an unspoken realization that this does not happen by accident. That comic companies do things that sometimes inspire or breed it. No one is exited to see an issue number go up to three digits if it also means a three digit up in the price. No. One.

If you hate bitter fans, try not to do things that does nothing but inspire bitterness. It is that simple. And while you could say anyone can become embittered at anything, some reactions are simply common sense extensions of, well, common sense. Like not being surprised if a dog yelps after being kicked, and even is more liable to bite. But for many, such a thing is like an Einstein level realization. "My...my actions have consequences!? GASP!" :o

No one likes getting something for nothing. No one likes being told a bold faced lie to their face. Come on. Don't do those things and then get shocked that not everyone takes it with a chuckle. That's not the sign of maturity, but adolescence.

Marvel has the right to charge what they please. That doesn't mean I like it though. I hope they've lost business because of this. I know that the increase has cost them some of my business. I may not matter, but enough people being discouraged because of the increase may actually do something. I stopped buying one-shots and mini-series when the price jumped. "Trade-waiting" just became a new hobby for me...

Well, one short term reality is that books that increase in price to $4 can lose a slew of readers in the short term and actually end up bringing in more cash overall in sales. You could say that selling more comics to fewer readers is a potential long term problem even if it ups profits short term, but realizing that would make you literally more aware of reality than the top level executive at Marvel or DC, so you must know they haven't thought of it, or don't believe it will impact them.

Marvel has cynically attempted to combat "trade waiting" by making trades just as expensive or even about a nickel more expensive than simply buying the issues at cover price. While trade waiting hurts series short term month to month, trades are how sales are recovered long term into infinity, and also how comics enter other venues, like bookstores or libraries. You could argue that fans who "trade wait" aren't against comics; on the contrary, they want to read comics in a format where they get more story in one sitting, that is easier to store, and cannot be resold at a later date for value, as some single issues can. Making trades more expensive either through cynical prices or by making them "mini hardcovers" to justify charging $20 for 4-5 issues, or padding out some trades with reprints, is the sort of decision that, again, may bring short term cash but does nothing but embitter fans long term.

I always find it amazing that for an industry that literally relies month in and month out on a constantly shrinking number of fans who are willing to pay more and more for stories that take longer to get to a head and are too impatient to wait for trades (the direct market would collapse in a dead heap if even 25% more of all monthly readers trade waited on all their books), Marvel and DC sometimes seem to take superhuman efforts to try their collective patience. I never found tempting fate a worthy business strategy. But maybe that just means I'm not executive material. I think too small.
 
Not every ongoing can be subscribed to. You also cannot subscribe to mini's. Subscriptions are routinely late as well. But, yes, it is an option for the patient. You still would have to go to the shop and pay full cover price for mini's as well as ongoings that are not available for subscription, usually because Marvel editorial imagines canceling or relaunching them before long.



I agree with you on this point; Marvel and comics in general need better pitch-men and women to try to expand their market. Right now every move is usually at getting more blood from devoted fanboy stones. A writer at CBR one asked, "where is the Billie Mays of comics?" Sure, comics is basically $3-$4 for about 5-10 minutes of entertainment, but some informercials offer a lot less. There needs to be some attempt to try to sell to some who aren't converted. The belief that movie ticket sales translate to comic sales is bull, and has been wrong for, oh, only the last 8-9 years. As for what it would take, that is the job of Marvel's paid people to figure out.

Joe Q claims he tries to do his part by leaving comics in random locations as he travels or talking to kids he stumbles across (usually the children of older fans, again that generational thing), but there has to be a larger attempt at this sort of concept. Simply hoping that enough fans procreate to create new generations is not good enough. It does work, but this is not a strategy unless Marvel, again, literally pays for dating sites to hook their fans up. Which, while silly, at least would probably be a neat PR stunt.

Whether $2.99 or $2.50, there are books geared towards children, given leeway in terms of sales; the question remains whether kids actually read them. I know most kids will avoid stuff that seems "kiddie" as they want to act like adults. I knew as a kid I never wanted to read the 99 cent "Cartoon Spidey" book...I wanted to read AMAZING SPIDER-MAN outright. I do agree, though, that Marvel should try to pitch their stuff better. That means some, gasp, creativity or, shock, taking a risk. Not repeating failed strategies. Too often I see ideas from the 80's or 90's being shoved into 2009 and they simply won't work.


Actually, I think the answer to a lot of what you're talking about lies in subscriptions. If I were advising Marvel:

* I would expand the subscription department to allow subs to minis. In the past, when the only way to subscribe, or advertise for it was through the printed page, I could understand limiting it too ongoings. But with the internet, you can advertise anything on a moments notice.

* I think you're right (and wrong) about subs being late. For a long time ( a year or more) 80% or so of the comics I subbed to were a day or three early, one time as early as the preceding Friday. Since I've moved to another address, they are routinely late. Marvel should address this problem and get subscribers the issues early, if even only a day, and give them a reason to brag online, giving them free advertising. The company that actually does the subs seems to be outside of Marvel contracted by them. They should work more closely with them so they understand the importance of this.

* I honestly think online comics are going to play a big role in the future of comics. Marvel has made some strides with Marvel Online, but it has some problems, primarily the lack of complete runs. I would use Marvel Online as an incentive to subscribe to the real thing. Specifically, give Marvel Online free to anyone who subscribes to, say, four or five titles.

* I saw recently that the titles with the highest sub level are actually the Marvel Adventure line. I think that's great news, as that has to be parents buying for their kids. Kids who will, as you said, one day want to read Amazing, not Adventure. I would further push this advantage by giving Marvel Online free with any subscription to a Marvel Adventure line, which would introduce any kid reading a MA comic to the wider world of the MU, incuding Amazing. And, readers who have no interest in the MA line might buy it just to get the free Marvel Online subscription, and maybe give the comic away to a cousin, nephew, daughter, etc. Win-Win-Win situation.

*Also, Marvel should really be looking into a pay for content system like iTunes. And again, have a system that, if you subscribe to Amazing, you can download it for free. If you subscribe to Captain America, you can download that for free.


To sum up, I think there are plenty of ways to make fans feel as though they're getting a bargain and that Marvel is catering to them.
 
Actually, I think the answer to a lot of what you're talking about lies in subscriptions. If I were advising Marvel:

* I would expand the subscription department to allow subs to minis. In the past, when the only way to subscribe, or advertise for it was through the printed page, I could understand limiting it too ongoings. But with the internet, you can advertise anything on a moments notice.

* I think you're right (and wrong) about subs being late. For a long time ( a year or more) 80% or so of the comics I subbed to were a day or three early, one time as early as the preceding Friday. Since I've moved to another address, they are routinely late. Marvel should address this problem and get subscribers the issues early, if even only a day, and give them a reason to brag online, giving them free advertising. The company that actually does the subs seems to be outside of Marvel contracted by them. They should work more closely with them so they understand the importance of this.

* I honestly think online comics are going to play a big role in the future of comics. Marvel has made some strides with Marvel Online, but it has some problems, primarily the lack of complete runs. I would use Marvel Online as an incentive to subscribe to the real thing. Specifically, give Marvel Online free to anyone who subscribes to, say, four or five titles.

* I saw recently that the titles with the highest sub level are actually the Marvel Adventure line. I think that's great news, as that has to be parents buying for their kids. Kids who will, as you said, one day want to read Amazing, not Adventure. I would further push this advantage by giving Marvel Online free with any subscription to a Marvel Adventure line, which would introduce any kid reading a MA comic to the wider world of the MU, incuding Amazing. And, readers who have no interest in the MA line might buy it just to get the free Marvel Online subscription, and maybe give the comic away to a cousin, nephew, daughter, etc. Win-Win-Win situation.

*Also, Marvel should really be looking into a pay for content system like iTunes. And again, have a system that, if you subscribe to Amazing, you can download it for free. If you subscribe to Captain America, you can download that for free.


To sum up, I think there are plenty of ways to make fans feel as though they're getting a bargain and that Marvel is catering to them.

Some decent suggestions. The problem with the Marvel Online wing so far is you can't simply pay for the digital comics you want via credit card or PayPal, like every single Indie or Fetish online comic allows on the web. You have to pay a fee for the whole service. If you don't want to read all of the digital comics, just one or two, that's tough **** for you. I think both should be an option.
 
It's kinda funny/sad when people defend someone ripping them off. Like a battered wife saying what a nice guy her husband is most of the time.
 
I'll assume you're talking about me.

The truth is, I don't feel ripped off at all. If I did, I'd stop buying them.

Who more fits in the analogy that you've laid out: me, who is perfectly fine with the price I'm paying for entertainment? Or the people fussing and complaining AND STILL buying?
 
No, just anyone actually defending the company gouging them. This is the worst parts about capitalism, rather than each person looking out for themselves and thereby creating an effective production and consumption machine that works at a smart and balanced economic structure you have companies that gouge others not realizing that the small term profit increase will eventually cause a cascade effect becoming a net loss. Every economic model on earth shows if you simply try and maximize profits you always, always, end up losing in the end. Without an understanding that customer relations and buisness strategy needs to be symbiotic and upsetting what is currently working just for a bigger profit you inevitably set yourself up for a much deserved fall.

When you increase your price by a third when you're already making a good profit and things are moving along swimmingly, you're being overly greedy and you are ripping off your customers. That's me and you. Glad you don't feel like they're ripping you off, but they are. Their is no actual excuse or reason for their substantial (and it's very substantial) price increase other than to maximize profit at the expense of their customers and during extremely tough economic times. That's not just greedy, that's a bit evil, and while concepts like good and evil don't factor into most buisness, evil's still pretty ****ed up.

I'm not buying anything overpriced unless I'm getting more than a normal comic in some form. I also would pay a third more for something for no other reason than they just want to make more money but have done nothing to make their product more attractive or valuable. Hopefully enough people do this that they have to stop. Cause if not next year it could be 4.99 comics just to see if we're suckers enough to bite, and on and on until even you, clonsey might have to cut back because stuff like food and rent are just a little more important.

Look if prices went up on their end that would be something, but they are trying an experiment to see if we bite. If we don't they'll drop back down again. Wouldn't you prefer to have extra money? Do you like you having money or would you rather marvel have it for no reason other than sheer senseless greed?
 
No, just anyone actually defending the company gouging them. This is the worst parts about capitalism, rather than each person looking out for themselves and thereby creating an effective production and consumption machine that works at a smart and balanced economic structure you have companies that gouge others not realizing that the small term profit increase will eventually cause a cascade effect becoming a net loss. Every economic model on earth shows if you simply try and maximize profits you always, always, end up losing in the end. Without an understanding that customer relations and buisness strategy needs to be symbiotic and upsetting what is currently working just for a bigger profit you inevitably set yourself up for a much deserved fall.

When you increase your price by a third when you're already making a good profit and things are moving along swimmingly, you're being overly greedy and you are ripping off your customers. That's me and you. Glad you don't feel like they're ripping you off, but they are. Their is no actual excuse or reason for their substantial (and it's very substantial) price increase other than to maximize profit at the expense of their customers and during extremely tough economic times. That's not just greedy, that's a bit evil, and while concepts like good and evil don't factor into most buisness, evil's still pretty ****ed up.

I'm not buying anything overpriced unless I'm getting more than a normal comic in some form. I also would pay a third more for something for no other reason than they just want to make more money but have done nothing to make their product more attractive or valuable. Hopefully enough people do this that they have to stop. Cause if not next year it could be 4.99 comics just to see if we're suckers enough to bite, and on and on until even you, clonsey might have to cut back because stuff like food and rent are just a little more important.

Look if prices went up on their end that would be something, but they are trying an experiment to see if we bite. If we don't they'll drop back down again. Wouldn't you prefer to have extra money? Do you like you having money or would you rather marvel have it for no reason other than sheer senseless greed?


well said
 
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Marvel publishing makes millions.

Marvel films and related licensing can, over time, make billions.

Marvel films’ success are based, in part, by the good feeling towards their comics, the media buy in of the fans buzz, the A-list actors willing to take lower salaries to be in something cool, the genuine enthusiast experience that is infectious to the mass market.

If the comics get too expensive, the casual fans may drift away. Marvel may make more money at a higher price point, but with less readers, and less buzz. Which, eventually, may impact on the movies and licensing.

However, what if Disney was preemptive? What if Disney want to do something that makes a big impact on the comics business. It may make less money, it may cost them in instant revenue, but it also may reignite the kind of buzz that will help the slew of Marvel and Marvel-related films and merchandise.

What if the comics, rather than creeping towards the $3.99 price, suddenly dropped. To $1.99. Across the board. Sales would rocket, market share would soar, other publishers would be squeezed off the shelves, plastic rings or no plastic rings, comics revenue would fall. But buzz would increase, increase, increase.

It might even just save the direct market. Or it might doom it, if certain retailers have become used to the $3.99 price point. Volume might help though…

Naturally such a publisher would need deep pockets to do this on a mass scale.

Oh, it’s Disney.

Lose a million, make a billion. This is not just speculation, I understand it is seriously being discussed at the publisher right now.

And suddenly Vampirella and Fell won’t seem that special…

And it might just make Marvel’s reluctance to go below $1.99 for digital downloads of single issues moot, and see them support the 99 cent model rapidly becoming the norm…

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2009/09/10/marvel-disney-and-the-1-99-comic-book/
 
Hmm, that would certainly be interesting. DC would be well screwed if they actually do that. More people read Marvel's comics anyway, let alone if they suddenly dropped to $1 below DC's normal price.
 
That does make a lot of sense for Marvel. Therefore, it has no chance.

To be fair, the shift from JMS to Gillen on THOR will result in the price dropping back to $2.99, since Marvel figures they could get away with charging $4 for JMS issues, but testing Gillen on that book for even six issues would have been quite a test.
 
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I'd buy it either way. Marvel's got me by the balls on that one, unfortunately. :csad:
 
That's a lot of wishful thinking. I'm willing to bet they could drop it to $1, and they would not start drawing in new readers. I'm sorry, but they won't. The culture has moved on to other things. All you would be doing is giving a break to people who are going to buy them anyway. It would be like selling iPods at whatever it costs to make them (what 5 bucks or something? where are the petitions calling Apple greedy bastards?)

Disney has all but said they're not all that interested in the publishing wing. Why would they want to start mucking with a pricing strategy that is, hmmm, what's the word...working? winning? dominating?


Bottom line...the future is going to be online. Marvel/Disney should be spending resources figuring out what model will allow them to distribute their characters there.
 

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