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The religion of peace is at it again.

logansoldcigar said:
NO, they speak through their official groups, like the muslim council of great britain, or whoever. What do expect them to do?

If you can kindly put your point about abortion bombings in a form that I can respond to, that would be appreciated. Otherwise, it's too much work to respond the way you have it set up.

How about having a protest in as large of numbers as those who support terrorism and how about having it on the other side of the street at the same time. That's what I would do.

You can bring up the Basque, IRA, or otherwise all you want to try and make the point that supposedly every group has its violent nuts. However, your point falls flat when it comes to scale. None of them have branch cells anywhere else in the world other than their highly focused locale. If Islamic terrorists just did their thing in the ME, I'd probably not care.

However, since they are in Europe, Africa, North America and other places, it's foolish to not be concerned.
 
My Point? how about the fact that have been reported and have happened, despite your claim they havent. After all, you claimed they havent been reported and therefore havent happened. I did a google search on abortion clinic, bombed, and got 3 different ones on the first page.
 
logansoldcigar said:
My Point? how about the fact that have been reported and have happened, despite your claim they havent. After all, you claimed they havent been reported and therefore havent happened. I did a google search on abortion clinic, bombed, and got 3 different ones on the first page.

But you had to search for it. I've yet to read about one in both the national newspapers I read daily.
 
and i dont recall christian groups protesting against the bombing of abortion clinics. does this mean that they implicitly agree?
 
War Lord said:
But you had to search for it. I've yet to read about one in both the national newspapers I read daily.

and? doesnt matter. they happened. I dont read american newspapers, but i knew they happened. It was just a case of providing the sources to back the claim up.
 
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CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!
 
logansoldcigar said:
and i dont recall christian groups protesting against the bombing of abortion clinics. does this mean that they implicitly agree?

Christian groups don't need to protest a criminal act done by a deranged being, unless that person is claiming to have done it in the name of Christ. No more than when any other criminal act.

I googled the abortion clinic and it all had to do with the same event, so it's hardly widespread.

Can you show that the bombings were done in the name of Christ?

If Bin Laden was doing it by his name alone, I would not care. However, since he claims to be doing it in the name of Allah, I kinda expect a response from those that disagree with him, but there are none.
 
War Lord said:
You can bring up the Basque, IRA, or otherwise all you want to try and make the point that supposedly every group has its violent nuts. However, your point falls flat when it comes to scale. None of them have branch cells anywhere else in the world other than their highly focused locale. If Islamic terrorists just did their thing in the ME, I'd probably not care.

Crap. a few days after 9/11, a couple of IRA were arrested in central America training terrorists. Hell, they have been known as one of the greatest terrorist training groups around. Odds are, if the CIA didnt train them, the IRA did. We shot some in Gibraltar (in the back, apparently), a few years back.
 
War Lord said:
Christian groups don't need to protest a criminal act done by a deranged being, unless that person is claiming to have done it in the name of Christ. No more than when any other criminal act.

I googled the abortion clinic and it all had to do with the same event, so it's hardly widespread.

Can you show that the bombings were done in the name of Christ?

If Bin Laden was doing it by his name alone, I would not care. However, since he claims to be doing it in the name of Allah, I kinda expect a response from those that disagree with him, but there are none.

Firstly, its not widespread?
Lookie here:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm

pretty widespread if you ask me.
secondly, not done in the name of christ.

OK:

Paul Hill, a former Presbyterian minister and leader in Defensive Action killed a physician and bodyguard outside another abortion clinic; he wounded the wife of the bodyguard. He was sentenced to both life imprisonment on federal charges, and execution on state charges

Now, unless you are looking for a direct quote "I did it in the name of christ",(and we dont necessarily have direct quotes from Islamic terrorists stating they do it in the name of allah, all though we do have groups claiming it after the event) i would suggest a high probability that he did it cos of his religious beliefs, wouldnt you?

Following the terrorist attacks on New York City and Washington on 2001-SEP-11, similar Anthrax letters started appearing in political offices and news media in New York, Washington, and other cities. Some letters actually contained the deadly bacteria. In late October, abortion clinics in 13 states throughout the U.S. received about 150 letters marked "Time sensitive security information enclosed" with return addresses from law enforcement groups. They were mailed from five states. Inside was a powder and a death-threat letter allegedly signed by the "Army of God." That group allegedly advocates violence against abortion providers. Heather Herndon, a spokeswoman for Planned Parenthood Southeastern Pennsylvania said: "I absolutely believe it's the anti-choice extremists who are taking advantage of our national crisis." As of OCT-17, four letters had been given preliminary field tests and had been found to be hoaxes.

In fact, that website has plenty of info about christian groups that promote and advocate (allegedly) violence against abortion clinics.

ands the original BBC link states this:

In his court appearance, he did not appear to express any remorse, though his statement said he had hoped to achieve his objectives "without harming innocent civilians".

The statement reportedly included frequent quotes from the Bible and condemnations of homosexuality.

certainly implying that he is a religious boy.
 
Anyone else find it kind of ironic, that the words, Terrorist, and Freedom Fighter usually fall on the same individuals just on different sides of the spectrum, I am not defending terrorisim of any kind but I think its pointless to argue about it, because we can call Muslims extremists, IRA, Timothy Mcveigh all terrorists, but in their minds they are freedom fighters fighting for a cause. The cause is what worries me, and thats why I think this war on terror cannot be won because terrorist's are not a country or something to that extent IMO, they are an ideal, a belief a cause, and those are almost impossible to defeat IMO.

I forgot the christian Extremists, but I was trying to appear impartial, when I put Timothy Mcveigh instead of Christian Extremists.
 
War Lord said:
Although most Muslims I've met, outwardly, are a decent lot and I have no arguement with them, if the behaviour of the Islamists really bothered them and did not represent their real feelings, you'd think that the so-called peaceful Muslims would organize and protest on the other side. Unfortunantly, I have never heard of even one protest anywhere (ME, Europe, North America) from the so-called peaceful Muslims denouncing their brethren and doing everything they can to set the record straight.

I don't judge Islam just by the violent acts that are done in its name. I also judge it by the lack of action by Muslims who keep claiming that the violence done in its name is not done by real Muslims, but they repeatedly never do anything to stop the violence.

Good job proving you're one of those unabashedly ignorant Westerners who live in their own, confined little shell thinking the world revolves around them and don't have a freakin' clue of what actually goes on in this world.

Let's start off with your position where you seem to completely ignore the very simple, yet undeniable fact that Muslims themselves have been victims to terrorist attacks. Your impenetrably asinine logic of concluding that Muslims condone the killing of their own just because you haven't seen any dissenting voices coming from the Muslims themselves goes way beyond even the farthest reaches of ridiculous thought.

First, a simple verse from the Qur'an to outline my point:

"The believers are but brethren, therefore make peace between your brethren and be careful of (your duty to) Allah that mercy may be had on you." - 49:10​

I believe the majority of the ones who were killed in the residential apartment bombings of Riyadh and Al-Khobar in Saudi Arabia were, in fact, Muslims.

No biggie though, at least they caught some infidels in the blasts in Pakistan a couple of months ago. Argh, missed the mark. Muslims killed instead.

Or those car bombs in busy marketplaces in Iraq where nary an infidel is to be found. Damn, more Muslims killed again.

Oh well, mistakes do happen. Those unbelievers finally met their maker after the hotel blasts in Egypt. Muslim casualties? Poor terrorists just don't seem to have any luck.

:rolleyes:

But can someone please explain to me the logic of setting off explosives at a Jordanian Muslim wedding feast as being a surefire way of killing infidels, especially in light of the above verse I mentioned?

In Islam, a mosque is called a House Of God, yet I seem to recall the bombings of the Golden Mosque, also known as the Buratha Mosque in Baghdad (one of the most revered shrines of Shiite Muslims) and most recently - the attack on the Jama Masjid in Delhi, which if I might add, is one of the most culturally and historically significant monuments of Islam present in the world today, being amongst the few landmarks of Mughal architecture. I mean, what better way to appease The Almighty by blowing up the very places where large numbers of fellow believers in faith congregate to engage in His worship?

It's hard to imagine the level of stupidity one would require to harbor notions of Muslims condoning attacks not only on their own people, but their holy sites as well. What's even more shocking, is that even after witnessing such atrocities, the very idea that there are people so painfully deprived of common sense who actually think that the pepetrators of such hateful crimes would have anything to do at all with the rightful teachings of Islam or can in any way whatsoever, be called as Muslims. Yet unfortunately those who maintain that the actions of these radicals are in "service" to Islam do exist. Guess who am I pointing fingers at, "Jonty"?

"But Muslims never do anything to denounce such violence" you say?

Funny, I remember at least three different mass protests against terrorism in the Middle East in the past couple of months alone:

More than 10,000 Moroccons slam Al Qaida

Massive Muslim protest in Bahrain against Terrorism

More than 200,000 Jordanians out on the streets in protest against terrorist attacks

Having trouble keeping up with the news, skippy?

Let's not forget the repeated condemnation of the actions of such extremists by many Muslim country leaders, clerics, political groups and even individual Muslims across the globe. Heck, the very same topic has been discussed at great lengths and in considerable detail here on the Hype itself. As if the same oft-repeated message that's been propagated by so many moderate Muslim voices in defense of their faith is not enough for you to just get an idea of the popular Muslim opinion in these matters, you ignorantly accuse us of doing nothing in response and label us as actually condoning such heinous acts? Wow.

Have fun plowing your way through even farther into the depths of ignorance. Won't be long before you finally hit rock bottom. :up:
 

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