Comics The Return of Slott

[moraldeficiency]

I think the story would have been better if Mj was the one to get shot. (If they really gave up creatively and REALLY felt they had to attempt to copy the same formula used during his college years...)
If the woman you loved were shot and on her death bed because of a who you are.
what would you do? especially when this has already happened in his life...

That's a really good point, actually. If it was MJ that was shot and dying instead of May OMD wouldn't have been nearly as ****ty and it would be a deal with the devil that would at least seem more acceptable and not make pete seem like a spoiled child.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

I think the story would have been better if Mj was the one to get shot. (If they really gave up creatively and REALLY felt they had to attempt to copy the same formula used during his college years...)
If the woman you loved were shot and on her death bed because of a who you are.
what would you do? especially when this has already happened in his life...

The icing on the cake was having
Aunt May being the one to get shot.
As much of a figure in his life as she was to Peter the Mephisto decision is something he never should of agreed on. Aunt May would have NEVER approved of this and neither would Uncle Ben. plus she already died in an AMAZING story. asm 400. even if it was retconned people are STILL going to compare it to this day...

Aunt May even "told" Pete she was ready to go in a previous issue.

That MJ thing makes much more sense. I would still hate it, but there is LOGIC. If it is the only way to save her life, Pete would let go, knowing it gave her a chance.

 

[Cullen]

I think the story would have been better if Mj was the one to get shot. (If they really gave up creatively and REALLY felt they had to attempt to copy the same formula used during his college years...)
If the woman you loved were shot and on her death bed because of a who you are.
what would you do? especially when this has already happened in his life...

The story you suggest would have the same flaw as the one we're stuck with; namely Peter makes a deal with the Devil. Deals like this seldom work out well for the mortal party. He should be smart enough to know this

 

[Cullen]

Aunt May even "told" Pete she was ready to go in a previous issue.

That MJ thing makes much more sense. I would still hate it, but there is LOGIC. If it is the only way to save her life, Pete would let go, knowing it gave her a chance.

Ready to go or not, being responsible for both parental figures death (if even so slightly) isn't something I would want to live with. I can understand Peter making pacts with an evil force. Doctor Doom maybe. Or perhaps Kang.

The Devil, though... No.

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Thrilled Slott finally got on Spidey, couldn't give a crap less about the book.

 

[kguillou]

You know i was thinking, maybe OMD would've been way better and more memorable if instead of the devil, Peter made a deal with God. Since Mephisto is the devil in the MU, i'm sure there must be a "God" character as well right? Well, anyway, after Peter searches the whole MU for someone to help Aunt May and comes up short, "God" appears, and has a long talk with Peter and offers to help in return for Peter's incredible selflessness and heroism over the years. However, "god" tells Peter that with every action there is a reaction and there may be negative consequences to His altering of time. Since its "God", Peter and MJ agree to the deal and suddenly Peter's identity is forgotten, Aunt May is fine, but MJ and Peter are no longer married. I know its a bit much, but it would've left a better taste in our mouths if Peter made a deal with "God" instead of the devil right? Besides after everything Peter's done since he became Spider-man, isnt it about time that God intervened?

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Marvel has a god, and he looks remarkably like Jack Kirby.

 

[Captivated]

Slott- “All the [classic] stories with MJ still happened,” Slott explained. “It’s just now they were a couple living together instead of being married. So there’s a long, wonderful, rich history with these characters."

I am tired of this statement that Slott makes. It is beyond asinine.

Changing history, never marrying, but saying that now instead they lived together and every story is the same is SO dippy and INSULTING.

Might I add...there is NOT a "rich wonderful history" now, because it has been ALTERED..!! But, i guess we need to be spoon fed and accept how wonderful this alternate history is.

I log on for the first time in weeks and THIS is what I read?! Did Slott really say such an OFFENSIVE and STUPID thing??!!

Taking a happily married couple and changing them into an uncommitted shack-up couple is BAD enough, but trying to glorify it by saying it makes NO DIFFERENCE??!! IS HE FREAKING SERIOUS???!!!

I thought these lame-brain changes were supposed make Spidey MORE "kid friendly." Exactly HOW is THIS a better example of RESPONSIBLE behavior for kids?! Not for my kids, not for my family, that's for sure!

I was hoping to read they were coming to their senses... but I see Spider-Man is still circling the drain... heading for the SEWER.

Spider-Man is such a great character... how DARE they screw him up like this!

 

[Themanofbat]

Spider-Man is such a great character... how DARE they screw him up like this!

God made them do it...

 

[farmernudie]

Captivated: I log on for the first time in weeks and THIS is what I read?! Did Slott really say such an OFFENSIVE and STUPID thing??!!

Taking a happily married couple and changing them into an uncommitted shack-up couple is BAD enough, but trying to glorify it by saying it makes NO DIFFERENCE??!! IS HE FREAKING SERIOUS???!!!

I thought these lame-brain changes were supposed make Spidey MORE "kid friendly." Exactly HOW is THIS a better example of RESPONSIBLE behavior for kids?! Not for my kids, not for my family, that's for sure!

I was hoping to read they were coming to their senses... but I see Spider-Man is still circling the drain... heading for the SEWER.

Spider-Man is such a great character... how DARE they screw him up like this!

Yeh, i am not impressed. They're not doing anything they couldn't have done with a married Pete and all these same writers and artists. There is no reason for me to actually buy this book.

I do not like the cavalier attitude where the writers and Joe and everyone keep telling us (everyone) that it is all the same and no difference and still a rich history despite altering history in a major way. It is a big difference and it is not the same history. As i re-read my comics, they do not read the same when you try to tell yourself mentally these comics are now of a unmarried Pete and MJ. It just doesn't work.

 

[Themanofbat]

I log on for the first time in weeks and THIS is what I read?! Did Slott really say such an OFFENSIVE and STUPID thing??!!

Taking a happily married couple and changing them into an uncommitted shack-up couple is BAD enough, but trying to glorify it by saying it makes NO DIFFERENCE??!! IS HE FREAKING SERIOUS???!!!

I thought these lame-brain changes were supposed make Spidey MORE "kid friendly." Exactly HOW is THIS a better example of RESPONSIBLE behavior for kids?! Not for my kids, not for my family, that's for sure!

I was hoping to read they were coming to their senses... but I see Spider-Man is still circling the drain... heading for the SEWER.

Spider-Man is such a great character... how DARE they screw him up like this!

You are definitely entitled to your opinions, and I respect them greatly, but the bottom line is that marriage can enhance a relationship, but at the same time, it can have the opposite effect...

I know a few couples, one in particular that have been together for 36 YEARS and are more in love than most married couples I know... and I know LOTS of married couples that act like they "hate" each other and are just a few comments away from divorce papers...

So while "I" am happily married and wouldn't trade the feelings for the world, I can also look at the real world and see where a marriage certificate doesn't make a difference as far as how couples react to one another (happily or otherwise).

It would be nice if people treated the "marriage" aspect with the respect it deserves, but unfortunately, the people that do are few and far between the people that do not.

So I see & know people that are not married respecting and loving each other tremendously and that kind of love is nice to know it exists in our cruel and sad world, so why would I find it hard to believe that Peter and MJ didn't have the same type of bond?

I cannot change your opinions, but to simply call Peter and MJ "an uncommitted shack-up couple" is really an ignorant comment, because as I've mentioned, people can live together and be more happy than married ones.

It's not that hard to believe... but I can understand your moral view against it.

Best regards,

Mike

 

[shinlyle]

I log on for the first time in weeks and THIS is what I read?! Did Slott really say such an OFFENSIVE and STUPID thing??!!

Taking a happily married couple and changing them into an uncommitted shack-up couple is BAD enough, but trying to glorify it by saying it makes NO DIFFERENCE??!! IS HE FREAKING SERIOUS???!!!

I thought these lame-brain changes were supposed make Spidey MORE "kid friendly." Exactly HOW is THIS a better example of RESPONSIBLE behavior for kids?! Not for my kids, not for my family, that's for sure!

I was hoping to read they were coming to their senses... but I see Spider-Man is still circling the drain... heading for the SEWER.

Spider-Man is such a great character... how DARE they screw him up like this!

Honestly, I agree, wholeheartedly. Maybe it's because I'm married, and seeing the marriage treated as unimportant or inconsequential just gets under my skin. I guess it's just the way I was raised. I was taught that a man and a woman should get married, then live together, not live together forever without being married. I also know that there are millions of couples living happily in unwed bliss, it's not my way, but it is for them, so I can only make my opinion heard, and let it go. There's nothing I can do about it.

I can do something about it happening to Spider-Man, though. I can just NOT read it. Simple as that.

As I've stated since these battles began a few months ago, I'll not knock anyone for liking BND, but I'm not going to like it. I've read several of the issues, trying to get past it and enjoy it, but it's just not happening. Sorry.

Personally, I don't think an Icon like Spider-Man should promote cohabiation with an unmarried relationship. It seems to me to be the OPPOITE of responsible.

That, or maybe Spidey should have to suffer like the rest of us married folk!

Kidding....(God, don't let my wife read this...!!)

 

[shinlyle]

You are definitely entitled to your opinions, and I respect them greatly, but the bottom line is that marriage can enhance a relationship, but at the same time, it can have the opposite effect...

I know a few couples, one in particular that have been together for 36 YEARS and are more in love than most married couples I know... and I know LOTS of married couples that act like they "hate" each other and are just a few comments away from divorce papers...

So while "I" am happily married and wouldn't trade the feelings for the world, I can also look at the real world and see where a marriage certificate doesn't make a difference as far as how couples react to one another (happily or otherwise).

It would be nice if people treated the "marriage" aspect with the respect it deserves, but unfortunately, the people that do are few and far between the people that do not.

So I see & know people that are not married respecting and loving each other tremendously and that kind of love is nice to know it exists in our cruel and sad world, so why would I find it hard to believe that Peter and MJ didn't have the same type of bond?

I cannot change your opinions, but to simply call Peter and MJ "an uncommitted shack-up couple" is really an ignorant comment, because as I've mentioned, people can live together and be more happy than married ones.

It's not that hard to believe... but I can understand your moral view against it.

Best regards,

Mike

Thanks, TmoB, for being rational.

(feel free to call me an ignorant hater, though! I'm used to it)

 

[Themanofbat]

Thanks, TmoB, for being rational.

(feel free to call me an ignorant hater, though! I'm used to it)

That's just the way your wife talks to you... t: t: t:

 

[Themanofbat]

<les double posts>

 

[Captivated]

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I know, in general, people get married for the wrong reasons and then don't value or honor that commitment. But, that's a commentary on how irresponsible and immature people can be... not on marriage.

Apparently some people can lived together with no moral qualms and act lovingly... But, that doesn't change the fact that when you love someone, making a marriage commitment takes your relationship to a deeper (and higher) level. People who hold back from that ARE holding back something of themselves.

And, the thing is, we are talking about Peter Parker. And the Peter we have known WAS the marrying kind. (Don't make me give you all the MANY reasons I would conclude that... most of you KNOW that's true.) He WAS responsible. He DID NOT just shack-up with MJ. To say he did... to say she did... and that it makes NO DIFFERENCE?! That just DENIGRATES the characters.

They took a devoted, head-over-heels IN LOVE married couple and separated them in a convoluted, out-of-character and VILE way. THAT was bad enough. But trying to say that nothing of significance changed??!! How ridiculous, insulting and offensive is that?!

All this came about by an act of out-of-character selfishness and cowardice... Peter couldn't let Aunt May go, but would give up his much loved wife... all made possible by the devil. How appropriate.

The fact is, even though SOME people don't see shacking-up with someone as irresponsible or immoral behavior, I would wager MOST people recognize that it's NOT ideal or even in character for our hero... Mr. "With great power comes great responsibility" to do so.

It's NOT a good example for "the kids" that they claim to be courting, and for some of us it's a total deal-killer.

WHY would they do this (offend and alienate so many) when they COULD have had told GOOD stories with a married hero?!

Idiots.

 

[shinlyle]

That's just the way your wife talks to you... t: t: t:

So....that was YOU in the bushes!!!! I knew my dog was barking at something!!!

 

[farmernudie]

I agree totally with you Captivated.

The way in which they had to just wedge the mhappily married couple apart was tacky, and beyond good taste or in character. Nor did it make sense. Aunt May wanted to die. Pete didn't care about Aunt May, only his own guilt. Why throw your history and future away (to the DEVIL) for an elderly aunt and kick your wife to the curb??

So aunt may now owes her life to satan.

And Pete is a hip 70's guy out swinging and MJ out with this other guy and it is all feeling ick and irresponsible and just weird.

Back issues are now rendered "Altered" at least, you can't say it still happened the same way while you read them (the way they are written, and so, THIS spidey is a alternate spidey with a different history, ala DC comics stuff.) Go back and actually try reading the married years and tell yourself mentally, try to CONIVNCE yourself it is the same. You can't. I've been trying.

It is all just messed up imo.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

So....that was YOU in the bushes!!!! I knew my dog was barking at something!!!

Lol. t:

 

[Themanofbat]

Back issues are now rendered "Altered" at least, you can't say it still happened the same way while you read them (the way they are written, and so, THIS spidey is a alternate spidey with a different history, ala DC comics stuff.) Go back and actually try reading the married years and tell yourself mentally, try to CONIVNCE yourself it is the same. You can't. I've been trying.

All the good Spidey back issues are the pre-marriage ones... t: t: t:

 

[Cullen]

All the good Spidey back issues are the pre-marriage ones... t: t: t:

Quoted not just for truth but for all cap bold face red letter TRUTH. (Though I can think of one or two post marriage stories I like. )

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

All the good Spidey back issues are the pre-marriage ones... t: t: t:

Indeed, but there were alot of awesome stories with a married Peter.

 

[iloveclones]

Indeed, but there were alot of awesome stories with a married Peter.

Such as....

 

[Jack O Lantern]

Kraven's Last Hunt is the only classic married Spidey story.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Such as....

Kravens Last Hunt and a few others such as Venoms' first story. However, my favorite stories are the ones when Peter was single.