Transformers The Reviews Thread

I fully agree with Vern's review of Tranformers on AICN.

That's all I have to say because he said it for me

Here it is! I know you guys want to enjoy Transformers, but you got to be real

They still don't get, Hollywood still doesn't get it.
 
Read the full review here! It hard being a Creative Genius. I should have done the movie
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Wow, this is turning out to be the personal opinion train wreck that I thought it would be. I really didn't expect all the "not enough Transformers" bull I'm hearing, that really comes off as pretty silly.

I swear, you people heavily dissing this flick are the reason we get crap like SM3, Catwoman, Daredevil, Electra, the Fantastic Four flicks, and all that kinda crap.
 
Wow, this is turning out to be the personal opinion train wreck that I thought it would be. I really didn't expect all the "not enough Transformers" bull I'm hearing, that really comes off as pretty silly.

I swear, you people heavily dissing this flick are the reason we get crap like SM3, Catwoman, Daredevil, Electra, the Fantastic Four flicks, and all that kinda crap.

How is it bull? Its a legitimate concern.
 
Thank God they did not show more transformers. It was more then enough and just enough to want us wanting more, wich give a sequel bigger expectations :)

With a budget of 150 million I'm surprised of the amount of screentime the transformers got.
 
I love how there's all these people who are so against this movie because they're "big fans" of the originals.

If you are such big Transformers fans, you'd be willing to accept changes, especially since this film exists outside of the cartoons' narrative.

Accept the changes people, otherwise you should probably go put on a pink shirt and a white suit jacket and dance the robot whilst pretending it's 1986. I, meanwhile, will continue to say how good this movie was in the year 2007.

The ability to enjoy every different series of everyone's favorite robots in disguise in some form or another, that's what makes a true Transformers fan.

Wow. Whaddya know... another person completely... missing... the point. :whatever:

Just because people complain about the film in the same breath as claiming to be a big fan of the property, doesn't mean they don't like the film because of the changes.

Change is fine. We knew there was going to be change.

However, unlike 'X-Men' - where the changes to Rogue, in particular, were to create a far deeper emotional plot and retained the essence of the character's pain - 'Transformers' only features superficial change that does nothing for the story, creates ludicrous new plot holes that make the shabby '80s scripts look like Shakespeare and fails in its attempt at updating realism by simply making things so messy you can't see it anyway.

I truly think you're kidding yourself if you think most criticisms are purely from people unable to detach themselves from the cartoon.

Most criticisms are from people who simply wanted to see more effort go into the script so that any change this franchise endured was to create something truly awe-inspiring, believable and emotional.

What would have been so difficult in making the film about Megatron's thirst for power as he rapes and pillages the planet's resources with ominous and deliberate glee? Why not give us a story about the fact these robots are in disguise for a reason, competently hiding in their vehicle modes from all but Sam until the final act? Why not give us the opportunity to give a crap about the deaths before cutting to another random shot of metal on metal?

If you think the major concerns are simply because the film doesn't look and feel like an outdated cartoon... then I suggest you check out a magic show someday. I hear they can cut women in half! You'll be amazed!
 
However, unlike 'X-Men' - where the changes to Rogue, in particular, were to create a far deeper emotional plot and retained the essence of the character's pain - 'Transformers' only features superficial change that does nothing for the story, creates ludicrous new plot holes that make the shabby '80s scripts look like Shakespeare and fails in its attempt at updating realism by simply making things so messy you can't see it anyway.

This is a negative review I can wrap my hands around. I loved the movie, but NOTHING said here is inaccurate in any way. Change is good, if it's purposed. Change just to change is a tad lame.

And the TFs were so complex they were hard to see.
 
I just got back from the film;

I loved it! I loved the story, the action, the special effects. The transformers were clearly awesome, I liked the human characters. I only have minor complaints, some of the action scenes were hard to follow (Shaky cam), and although I liked the humour, they injected way to much. But other then that, I loved the film. I think I will go see it again tomorrrow. I think an 8/10 is a fair score, IMO.

EDIT:

I realized I probably should have posted this in the other thread.
 
Time's review (negative)
Transformers: Crashing Bore

By Richard Corliss
July 4, 2007


"There's a mysterious bond between man and machine," Bernie Mac intones in the year's big Independence Day movie, Transformers. He would say that; he plays a used car dealer in the film. But Michael Bay believes it — fervently, desperately, profligately, profitably. The films he's directed, like The Rock and Armageddon and Pearl Harbor, celebrate the fusing of man — always the male of the species — and machine: cars, planes and the movie camera.

Bay cherishes this notion so dearly because his movies are mechanical toys: elaborate gizmos with some parts that are movable, though not emotionally moving, and many others that are, to me at least, instantly retractable. I begin to suspect that Bay is a machine, a secret cyborg, on a mission from the planet Mediocritron to develop the perfect program for a film that can be made, and consumed, with no human interaction — a film that will destroy the lingering genre of small, messy, unpredictable "people cinema" as we know it.

If my hunch is right, then Transformers — which by any other standard is pretty awful — stands as Bay's most personal project; for this is a battle not of man versus man, or man versus machine, but machine versus machine. As fans of the original '80s TV cartoon series, and its 1986 spinoff animated feature, can tell you at great length, transformers are robots from Cybertron, a planet where (I don't know, I was watching PBS at the time) something bad happened. Two opposing sides formed under their respective generals: noble Optimus Prime leading the Autobots, evil Megatron in charge of the cunning Decepticons. (BTW, if you were known as a Decepticon, wouldn't it be kind of hard for you to... deceive anybody?)

You'd have to be about 30, and a guy, to approach Transformers with the canonical fascination and skepticism I heard at a public screening last night. "Good thing Peter Curran did Optimus Prime's voice again." "They needed more of Ratchet." "Why doesn't Bumblebee speak till the end?" There's no one so demanding as a guy measuring a new movie against a trash treasure he fell in love with when he was eight. I was there as an innocent, ignorant outsider, and I wouldn't want you to take a movie critic's word, but to me the mythology seemed both overcomplicated and undercompelling.

As I dimly understand it, a sacred Cube of some sort accidentally got lost on Earth. That brought the Cybertron bots here, disguised as cars and trucks, to fight to the death on our turf. For them it's an away game, like when two baseball teams open the season in Japan. Actually, it's more like a World Cup semifinal, since by the third hour of this endless movie our city streets and buildings have been leveled, laid waste and generally pooped upon by visiting cyber-hooligans. Oddly, few of our humans are shown getting killed, though thousands of them were in the way.

They get in the way of the movie, too, with what Bay, and writers Robert Orci and Alex Kurtzman, would call "plot." Teenage Max (the suddenly-everywhere Shia Le Beouf) unknowingly has a key to the Cube. That makes him a target for the rotten bots, which puts him under the protection of the good bots, especially Bumblebee, masquerading as a beat-up Camaro — yellow, with black stripes. The good bots become oversize, unruly pets for Max and his sort-of girl friend (the very huggable Megan Fox). Meanwhile, in Qatar, the bad bots are attacking U.S. troops, led by the generically adorable Josh Duhamel, before coming to the U.S. to menace Sam. In Washington, non-Rumsfeldian Secretary of Defense Jon Voight monitors the efforts of computer geeks to figure out what's going so very wrong.

The first half of the movie is padded with lots of lame comedy with Max and his parents, and some desperately unfunny stretches, with John Turturro as a federal agent, that try to channel the deadpan wit of the first Men in Black movie but get only static. As with Titanic, where during the first hour and a half audiences were whispering, "Sink the damn boat," one has to sit through reels and reels of story before the humans step aside and the bots do battle.

Two things I liked: the legend on a Decepticon police car, where instead of "To protect and serve" it reads "To punish and enslave"; and a smartly designed mid-film shoot-out in the Qatar desert between the airmen and some subterranean bad-bots. Underground monster attacks don't often work well in movies (Dune, Tremors), but these creatures' movements are sneaky, snaky and scary; they dive out of and back into the sand like porpoises of the Sahara.

Cool choreographic ideas are what's missing from Act Three: the confrontation of the Autobots and the Decepticons. I couldn't detect an idea, or much ingenuity, in action scenes that felt overlong and oversize. Maybe, like Godzilla in the 1998 U.S. remake, they're just too big. The bots were more fun, and had more to do, when they were disguised as cars.

You might conclude that, after almost a hundred years of banging bumpers, American movies had run out of things to do with cars. That's not true, as was proved by last week's auto-neurotic action film, Live Free or Die Hard. The Bruce Willis picture showed off some brain-melting car stunts — clever and crazy, and plausibly attached to the (clever) story and the (crazy) main character. The action in Transformers is divorced from the characters; the actors are frequently photographed staring up, in simulated awe or fear, at events that the effects techies were putting together somewhere else.

Divorced from reality, even movie reality, Transformers becomes an action film in traction. Its relentless product placement makes it seem like a 2hr. 22min. General Motors commercial. And the film has just enough collisions to be a crashing bore.
 
How can anyone find this boring, referring to the Time's review. I can understand people not liking things about it, that's okay. But boring?
 
I can see some people that prefer drama to action calling it boring. But everyone else....you're just in denial. If you're a male and the action scenes did not literally give you an erection, you need some Viagra....blockbuster strength.
 
Or you could say we just know the importance of foreplay and how to make it last...

If you wanna go with this analogy, I'd say those who did get erect over the action scenes are the ones who don't know how to please a partner for longer than three minutes... if they even get past online satisfaction to begin with.
 
superman returns?

batman begins even....?

talk about foreplay
and making it last

there all foreplay...and no pay off
 
Or you could say we just know the importance of foreplay and how to make it last...

If you wanna go with this analogy, I'd say those who did get erect over the action scenes are the ones who don't know how to please a partner for longer than three minutes... if they even get past online satisfaction to begin with.

Or...you could say that the more you drink...the better this film looks...but you'll regret it in the morning.
 
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Or you could say we just know the importance of foreplay and how to make it last...

If you wanna go with this analogy, I'd say those who did get erect over the action scenes are the ones who don't know how to please a partner for longer than three minutes... if they even get past online satisfaction to begin with.


Or...you could say that the more you drink...the better this film looks...but you'll regret it in the morning.

This reminds me of something I read the other day.... Not my quote (it's from some blog talkback http://www.phantasytour.com/bisco/boards_thread.cgi?threadID=1351936).
true story -- my college offered a class about media management and an alumnus who produces films in hollywood came in to share stories and experiences. he said that during pre-production on "pearl harbor," michael bay was having problems with a couple of the scenes as written on paper and went to the screenwriter to hash it out.

the screenwriter attempted to brreak down one of the romantic exchanges between ben affleck and kate beckinsdale and after several tries, michael bay wasn't getting it. finally the screenwriter said, "ok ok...think of this scene as foreplay...get it?"

michael bay then looks at the screenwriter with a smirk and says "foreplay for me is when i pull up in my ferrari."

pretty dope.

Speaks volumes about Bay, if true.. :wow: :yay:
 
I saw it tonight. It's alright. My brother liked it more than me.

What was up with the comedy halfways through the movie then getting all serious the rest? I'm not saying it was bad, I'm just saying it was odd and unexpected....

"Son? Are you *********ing? Well fine you can call it, uh, Sams happy time"
"Are...are you on drugs?" XD

That was ****ing hilarious! Shia LaBeouf was really funny! And Megan Fox, just hot!

7/10
 
This reminds me of something I read the other day.... Not my quote (it's from some blog talkback http://www.phantasytour.com/bisco/boards_thread.cgi?threadID=1351936).
true story -- my college offered a class about media management and an alumnus who produces films in hollywood came in to share stories and experiences. he said that during pre-production on "pearl harbor," michael bay was having problems with a couple of the scenes as written on paper and went to the screenwriter to hash it out.

the screenwriter attempted to brreak down one of the romantic exchanges between ben affleck and kate beckinsdale and after several tries, michael bay wasn't getting it. finally the screenwriter said, "ok ok...think of this scene as foreplay...get it?"

michael bay then looks at the screenwriter with a smirk and says "foreplay for me is when i pull up in my ferrari."

pretty dope.

Speaks volumes about Bay, if true.. :wow: :yay:

that pear harbour script speaks volumes about it's screen writer...


-foreplay for me is when i draw rough lines in blue col erase before i bring out the 2b graphite...

context:whatever:
 
that pear harbour script speaks volumes about it's screen writer...


-foreplay for me is when i draw rough lines in blue col erase before i bring out the 2b graphite...

context:whatever:

I dunno about that. Considering the guy wrote Braveheart, not to mention Starman (one of my fave sci fi movies), I'd be inclined to think it was more Bay's translation of it to film that missed. But, who knows.
 
Braveheart was clearly poorly written CFlash.

If you can't see it's writer penned a shallow script lacking character development of any kind (thus exonerating Bay from being responsible for wooden characters in their subsequent collaboration) there's simply no hope for you.
 
I dunno about that. Considering the guy wrote Braveheart, not to mention Starman (one of my fave sci fi movies), I'd be inclined to think it was more Bay's translation of it to film that missed. But, who knows.


Akiva Goldsman

Writer:

* In Production
* 2000s
* 1990s

1. I Am Legend (2007) (post-production)

2. The Da Vinci Code (2006) (screenplay)
3. Cinderella Man (2005) (screenplay)
4. I, Robot (2004) (screenplay)
5. A Beautiful Mind (2001) (written by)

6. Practical Magic (1998) (screenplay)
7. Lost in Space (1998) (written by)
... aka LS (USA: promotional abbreviation)
8. Batman & Robin (1997) (written by)
9. A Time to Kill (1996) (screenplay)
10. Batman Forever (1995) (screenplay)
11. Silent Fall (1994) (written by)
12. The Client (1994) (screenplay)


Brain grazers involvement turns out scripts like #2, 3, 5

producers behind batman turn out scipts like...8 & 9

guess that means it turly was schumaucker that is to be blamed for those films
cause Goldsman or the ppl involved in producing couldn't have had anything to do with the interpreation (...summer movie)
I suppose that there was a fully functional love story in the batman films and it was Joel that made it fall as flat as it did...

lost in space...
 
CFlash , I'd like to know what you thought of the movie A.I?
 

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