Age of Ultron The Steve Rogers/Captain America Thread

[ctsketch]

yes but the one that fights Cap I doubt is Ultron. I think it's just one of his minions. Seeing the enviroment where they are.

What does the environment have to do with the Villain?! and in TWS batroc who isn't even a super strong robot knocked Cap down

 

[John-An]

Who says he won't? The shot is completely without context. Even in TWS he struggled against goons at times. It wasn't a cakewalk.
Maybe because the movie isn't about Cap, it's about the Avengers. We've seen nothing substantial about any of the characters yet.

But Cap just needs to shine (at least more than he did in Avengers 1)
And I agree that we haven't seen much from the characters. but it's just a comment on the movements of that scene of Cap that looked slow to me, and yes the scene could be developed in something good for Cap. I hope the last thing happens. That's all

 

[John-An]

What does the environment have to do with the Villain?! and in TWS batroc who isn't even a super strong robot knocked Cap down

I meant the enviroment as the place where they are fighting, that I'm saying he's not Ultron. Could be wrong tho. while fighting batroc he was just testing by Cap, at the end when cap increases the level batroc didn't even have a chance.

 

[ctsketch]

Actually he is surprised the first two times he gets knocked down by Batroc, he goes around the corner talking to BW and gets knocked over, and before he has a chance to recover is knocked over again. And THEN he starts to fight...How do we know in this ...one second we saw Cap isn't off guard? and What about the environment says that is not Ultron? And in Ultron's second form the only difference between the drones and ultron is the color of the glow..which could just be Ultron inhabitting different drone bodies...or they are all Ultron...Ultron is just a computer program

 

[John-An]

all by surprise. he isn't at his 100%
And of course Ultron will be stronger than one of his minions, I just don't think plenty of robots have the same power level as from their creator. But that's just me.

 

[ctsketch]

What does the environment have to do with the Villain?! and in TWS batroc who isn't even a super strong robot knocked Cap down

all by surprise. he isn't at his 100%
And of course Ultron will be stronger than one of his minions, I just don't think plenty of robots have the same power level as from their creator. But that's just me.

If in Ultron's second form he's just moving from body to body...and he's just a program...then yes they will all be just as strong

 

[harryoscop]

That wasn't Ultron, that was a drone.

 

[John-An]

If in Ultron's second form he's just moving from body to body...and he's just a program...then yes they will all be just as strong

Ok. I'm not an expert from these versions of Ultron, that's why I can't tell you're wrong tho.

 

[harryoscop]

If in Ultron's second form he's just moving from body to body...and he's just a program...then yes they will all be just as strong

If it were Ultron the drone would be red:

 

[ctsketch]

That wasn't Ultron, that was a drone.

And in Ultron's second form, what exactly is the difference between him and his drones? it is most likely he just inhabits their bodies

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Oh give me a break. He was in two shots, only one which was an action shot for like a second out of context. This my friends is fanboy kneejerk whining at it's most absurd.

I must agree.

 

[TalismanRing]

Every body isn't as strong otherwise they wouldn't be able to take him down at the party and my guess is there's a Wakandan Vibranium infusion somewhere along the line of forms. But as said that looked like a drone

The niggle I gather for some isn't Cap struggling it's that in these short trailers and the BTS clips we haven't seen anything but yet. As of now there's nothing to ooh and ahh over with Cap. There's no inventiveness to the fights or his physicality yet. We've seen Thor light up and float, Tony in a Hulkbuster going at it with Hulk, Natasha dropping out of a quinjet on a motorcycle and taking down two guys with that leg jump with teases of her past, SW doing her magic and QS going fast and we've seen Steve... punching and kicking open a door. Also to be fair, looking very nice walking away and standing in profile.

So yeah nothing to tease us yet that Steve will be at TWS level. I'm willing to wait though.

 

[ctsketch]

If it were Ultron the drone would be red:

Ugh...yes but their bodies are the same!! they have the same strength and they have the same mechanical abilities. they are just robots...whether they have ultron's core program or not, they should all technically be just as strong in Ultron's second form...which is why it's silly to think an ultron drone cant give cap a fight I think

 

[ctsketch]

Every body isn't as strong otherwise they wouldn't be able to take him down at the party and my guess is there's a Wakandan Vibranium infusion somewhere along the line of forms.

The niggle isn't Cap struggling it's that in these short trailers and the BTS clips we haven't seen anything but yet. As of now there's nothing to ooh and ahh over with Cap. There's no inventiveness to the fights or his physicality yet. We've seen Thor light up and float, Tony in a Hulkbuster going at it with Hulk, Natasha dropping out of a quinjet on a motorcycle and taking down two guys with that leg jump with shots of her past, SW doing her magic and QS going fast and we've seen Steve... punching and kicking open a door. Also to be fair, looking very nice walking away and standing in profile.

So yeah nothing to tease us yet that Steve will be at TWS level. I'm willing to wait though.

The party scene was Ultron's FIRST form...the drone Cap is fighting is not the one from the party scene...he gets stronger each form

 

[harryoscop]

And in Ultron's second form, what exactly is the difference between him and his drones? it is most likely he just inhabits their bodies

The colors,
I'm pretty sure their colors change to red when he switches between them.

 

[ctsketch]

but what you're not getting is that all that is changing is the color. not the body...Ultron drones are still as strong and as mechanically able as Ultron can be

 

[The Caped Knight]

That wasn't Ultron, that was a drone.

I'm pretty sure that the drones are equipped with tactical combat that could go toe-to-toe with the Avengers. Which might explain why Cap and the team find it hard to defeat them.

 

[harryoscop]

but what you're not getting is that all that is changing is the color. not the body...Ultron drones are still as strong and as mechanically able as Ultron can be

Of course! why would Ultron change between bodies that are physically inferior to his main one? (Unless it was his last resort) lol.

But that wasn't my point. my point is, that the drone we see wresting with Cap, isn't Ultron himself.

 

[ctsketch]

Of course! why would Ultron change between bodies that are physically inferior to his main one? (Unless it was his last resort) lol.

But that wasn't my point. my point is, that the drone we see wresting with Cap, isn't Ultron himself.

We have yet to see a form two ultron with red eyes in still or trailer...ALL the drones could be Ultron for all we know...I mean...his first form has blue eyes too

 

[Suzanne78]

Oh give me a break. He was in two shots, only one which was an action shot for like a second out of context. This my friends is fanboy kneejerk whining at it's most absurd.

People can have differing opinions. It is a thing I've been anxious about, seeing as how the trailers have been pretty Hulk/Tony/Widow centric.

It would be nice if the next one showed a little bit of Cap having a moment.

Also, why get angry at some of us who have different opinions? It's kind of unnecessary to have that much hostility directed at other posters.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Concern is understandable, but "OMG Joss is undoing everything the Russos have built!" seems a bit premature, especially based on nothing more than that brief choke clip.

Time will tell.

 

[Suzanne78]

Concern is understandable, but "OMG Joss is undoing everything the Russos have built!" seems a bit premature, especially based on nothing more than that brief choke clip.

Time will tell.

Well, yes. Normally I would agree with you, but I've had a crap day, LOL! So I can't tell if my 'meh' on the trailer is actually legit, or if the lack of seeing more Cap in the trailers so far is causing it.

I am really, really hoping for more Cap in the next trailer, like a line or a word or something.

Or Disney marketing monkeys can give me all the joy and just make the entire next trailer nothing but Chris Evans shirtless.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

It's all good, you weren't the one seemingly on the verge of a panic attack over it anyway.

 

[Xhexania]

Every body isn't as strong otherwise they wouldn't be able to take him down at the party and my guess is there's a Wakandan Vibranium infusion somewhere along the line of forms. But as said that looked like a drone

The niggle I gather for some isn't Cap struggling it's that in these short trailers and the BTS clips we haven't seen anything but yet. As of now there's nothing to ooh and ahh over with Cap. There's no inventiveness to the fights or his physicality yet. We've seen Thor light up and float, Tony in a Hulkbuster going at it with Hulk, Natasha dropping out of a quinjet on a motorcycle and taking down two guys with that leg jump with teases of her past, SW doing her magic and QS going fast and we've seen Steve... punching and kicking open a door. Also to be fair, looking very nice walking away and standing in profile.

So yeah nothing to tease us yet that Steve will be at TWS level. I'm willing to wait though.

my problem with it is not how badass Cap will be in the fighting, which as much as they have the same stunt coordinator from Cap2, the fighting style won`t be as spot on, since in Cap2 they were more "grounded", he could show his martial arts style, while here Cap will be jumping all over the place.. but I don`t even care much about his fighting style, but I see a "lack" of Cap in the trailer, or something that teases he will lead the Avengers, I`m not talking about giving orders in the battle field, but the greatness of having Cap actually giving an inspiring speech like he had in TWS, that is Cap! he is not doing impressive fighting stuff compared to the other Avengers, other than his gymnastic abilities, but he inspires others.
And I know you are all like "ug fanboy complaining" as if I`m not entitled to my own opinion (I`m sorry not everyone adores Whedon and his work)... and call me "fangirl" please

I just see a lot of IM around in the trailer like in TA and well ... I don`t trust Whedon`s delivery, in particular with that character, though he was great with IM and Hulk... with the rest they are just fillers for him.

I hope that by setting my expectations really low, I will be surprised then in a good way, once the movie is out t:

ps, does it bother you all that I`m on the "verge of a panic attack"? LOL
seriously people don`t take it personally because there is someone who doesn`t like something, can you all be nicer and we can have a conversation then?...

 

[TalismanRing]

Using the same fight coordinator is fine for hand to hand moves but that's not the same as the stunt coordinator or a director having an eye and feel for a certain type of stunt and action.

I want to see Steve using his smarts, which were there even before his brain was enhanced by the serum. Not just as a leader - though that really needs to happen but as a bad ass.

I want a scene akin to his figuring out what's happening on that elevator, fighting and thinking his way out, searching for escape routes, girding himself to jump out the window, jumping on his motorcycle and taking out a quinjet using just his shield and his near inhuman grasp of angles and trajectory all while finishing it up in an acrobatic move.

All in the trailer. Is that too much to ask for?

Seriously, something of that action scope and tone in the film.