The Ultimate DC/Marvel Tournament - Part 4

[Silicon Surfer]

Even Dr. Druid who wasn't very powerful withstood Blaze/Zarathos' hellfire with no effect. Grodd's Force-of Mind power is probably easily capable of withstanding anything Ghosty can do. For that matter a AOE mind blast could probably one-shot the whole Thunderbolts group the instant the fight began. The others just make the battle spite. Rogues for the easy win.

 

[The_Mighty_Thor]

If I knew nothing about my opponents the first one I would take out would be the huge freakin gorilla so Deadpool teleports onto his back and drives a sword through his skull ,eliminating the biggest threat immediately. After that a sonic clap from Rulk shatters every mirror around into pieces way too small to fall into. GR would wipe the floor with the rest of them.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

I would think that most people would go first for the guys brandishing high tech weaponry or the guy who is manifesting lightning. As for Deadpool, considering that Grodd's usual opponent is the Flash Wade's ability to pull that tactic off is questionable. Grodd being an extremely powerful telepath will know exactly what Wade is going to do as soon as Wade does.

 

[The_Mighty_Thor]

1 Grodds telepathy is way over stated. Dozens of heroes have fought him with out him knowing every move they were going to make, most don't have the speed of the Flash.

2 These guys are used to facing weapon technology and super powers so it wouldn't phase them much. It would be apparent to most experienced heroes/fighters who the team leader was.

3 The only reason for GR and Rulk to bring Elektra, Punisher and that Venom to a fight is to send in a first wave to draw fire and see what the other side has. It doesn't matter how many members of your team are left standing at the end, the last bone headed demon standing wins.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

1. On the contrary Grodd's mental powers are very uber but I suspect we are simply going to end up disagreeing on that.
2. Speculation on both our parts since the whole lot of the Thunderbolts tend to fight opponents who will fight them hth.
3. I tend to see Ghost Rider and Venom as the dangerous ones and Rulk as inconsequential. Strength is not a very formidable power and by DC standards Rulk is not even slightly impressive.

 

[SuperFerret]

Who's to say that Grodd would be the clear leader of the Rogues anyway? From what I recall, the Rogues don't like Grodd too much and vice versa. They may not listen to him.

 

[The_Mighty_Thor]

1. On the contrary Grodd's mental powers are very uber but I suspect we are simply going to end up disagreeing on that.

we'll have to because he's been shown not using them on that level far to often.

2. Speculation on both our parts since the whole lot of the Thunderbolts tend to fight opponents who will fight them hth.

True but individually they have all fought people with weapons and powers. That experience wouldn't go out the window when they team up.

3. I tend to see Ghost Rider and Venom as the dangerous ones and Rulk as inconsequential. Strength is not a very formidable power and by DC standards Rulk is not even slightly impressive.

Rulk is a general and a tactician and was able to beat Hulk and Thor in his first go around with each of them mostly because of that. As for him not being impressive by DC standards maybe Marvel doesn't show it's power house heroes doing as many ridiculous feats but in all the cross overs it's been established that Thor and Hulk are on the same level as Supes, Captain Marvel and Wonder Woman. That means Rulk is in the same ball park as well. You can chalk up the differences in feats to being from different universes where there is different densities, gravities and what ever else but both companies have established that their top heroes are on the same level and that means that Rulk's easily the strongest guy in this match.

Who's to say that Grodd would be the clear leader of the Rogues anyway? From what I recall, the Rogues don't like Grodd too much and vice versa. They may not listen to him.

It was stipulated by the match maker that he is the team leader. Those are the rules of the tournament but if you want to insist that they wouldn't listen to him then they would be fighting as a bunch of individuals rather than a team. That just makes it that much easier for the Marvel side.

 

[Docker2.0]

I think Mighty Thor is right. I always thought GR would be the one guy that the Rogues would have problems with but Rulk and Deadpool will be problems as well. Not saying it will be clear cut I actually give the T-bolts a slight edge.

 

[Anubis]

Yeah, could go either way really.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

I have to disagree with your statement of Rulk being "easily the strongest". Grodd's strength is also immense and at least in the same general class as Rulk and Hulk (WWH version) and he may in fact be stronger. As for Rulk being a tactician, thanks to many attempts to take down the Hulk he has what could well be one of the worst loss records in military history. Sorry but anyone who loses that many times does not get any credit from me as a tactician. IIRC he actually had his command taken away from him at least once due to his constant loses and the huge equipment damage costs.

 

[Anubis]

No he isn't. He's strong. Strong as a Hulk? Hell no. His advantage lies in his brain.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

The PC version beat Kalibak unconscious and a more recent version was trading punches with Superman and was still standing, at least at the end of the single page scan I saw. I believe that the page had each throwing two punches and Grodd was still standing and fighting. I do not know anything, however, about the origin and context of the fight nor its outcome although I am assuming that Superman won.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Thunderbolts

 

[Docker2.0]

The PC version beat Kalibak unconscious and a more recent version was trading punches with Superman and was still standing, at least at the end of the single page scan I saw. I believe that the page had each throwing two punches and Grodd was still standing and fighting. I do not know anything, however, about the origin and context of the fight nor its outcome although I am assuming that Superman won.

That's called bad writing. It's the same as Batman beating Superman or Darkseid. It's the same as Spiderman beating Dr. Doom or a herald of Galactus. They are not consistently written to beat guys like that........except Batman. Dude seems to beat everyone he goes up against, even father time.

 

[WolfCypher]

Thunderbolts, 3-2.

Is that right? That was a long, detailed series of posts, and I only counted 5 actual votes.

Bane (has Venom if he CHOOSES TO USE IT)

vs. Black Tarantula



And before ANYONE says this is a mismatch, consider powerless Daredevil has beaten BT before...

 

[Spider-Aziz]

If by DaredDevil you mean the Bendis version of the character, that dude can flip a limousine with his barehands

 

[Docker2.0]

Daredevil beating him is due to bad writing. Black Tarantula and I don't want to say easily because Bane is no pushover..........but everything Bane can do, so can Black Tarantula. Isn't Bane smarter when he doesn't take the venom?

 

[CanaryFan]

Tarantula

 

[Anubis]

Bane....without Venom.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Black Tarantula

 

[3dman27]

Bane....without Venom.

agreed

 

[PemLam]

Black Tarantula

 

[Duke]

Bane

 

[WolfCypher]

Black Tarantula proves more poisonous than any venom to Bane, 4-3

Deathstroke

vs. Baron Zemo

 

[Docker2.0]

If written properly, Deathstroke.