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I found some other Vegan threads, but they were a little salty towards them and even vegetarians. So this thread is here now for the vegans and vegetarians of the Hype. Share your brands and alternatives for animal based food products and more...

I want to try Just Eggs, but can't find it in my area. It uses Mung bean proteins for a similar taste and texture as eggs. I also discovered the magic that is Black Bean Burgers, which would have made that vegetarian phase in middle school easier for me.
 
Vegetarians aren't so bad, but every Vegan I know, or who I've known looks like they're on deaths door. I don't particularly think it's a healthy lifestyle, but that's just me.

Everything in moderation.
 
Vegetarians aren't so bad, but every Vegan I know, or who I've known looks like they're on deaths door. I don't particularly think it's a healthy lifestyle, but that's just me.

Everything in moderation.
@DKDetective told me that a lot of nutrients are lost when you cut out meat and usually vegans and vegetarians need to take supplements, which I think is because the alternatives are still insufficient in protein, iron, etc.

I would prefer a pescetarian or semi-vegetarian diet which is what I'm doing. I do want to work towards veganism by trying their food and alternatives. I'm actually eating veggie burgers now as opposed to red meat and personally feel healthier compared to when I ate red meat, which is based on my own personal experience.
 
I'm making changes on my diet too! It's impossible for me to be fully vegetarian (much less vegan - I love cheese) because I like my meats :) but I have to agree with you and admit that red meats are not my best allies, lately, it takes way too much time to digest, etc etc.

I eat red meats every two weeks or so, I can't say no to a a good BBQ. Sorry!

After my third day on "Oh, I don't want to cook... so I'm having pasta" I realized that my diet was very poor and I needed nutrients, you know: the good stuff! And I found those on a good and balanced diet, with no need to eat MEAT. Not necessarily.

If you are making those burgers, please do share some cool recipes!!! I bought: chickpeas (maybe with pumpkin), Yamani rice (with caramelized onions), bulgur wheat (with corn, maybe), now I need to buy the veggies.
 
I'm making changes on my diet too! It's impossible for me to be fully vegetarian (much less vegan - I love cheese) because I like my meats :) but I have to agree with you and admit that red meats are not my best allies, lately, it takes way too much time to digest, etc etc.

I eat red meats every two weeks or so, I can't say no to a a good BBQ. Sorry!

After my third day on "Oh, I don't want to cook... so I'm having pasta" I realized that my diet was very poor and I needed nutrients, you know: the good stuff! And I found those on a good and balanced diet, with no need to eat MEAT. Not necessarily.

If you are making those burgers, please do share some cool recipes!!! I bought: chickpeas (maybe with pumpkin), Yamani rice (with caramelized onions), bulgur wheat (with corn, maybe), now I need to buy the veggies.
Bon Appetit has chickpea recipes I want to try, and stupid me didn't know they're also called Garbanzo beans and thought I couldn't find them in my area. They were at my store the entire time under a different name.
 
Bon Appetit has chickpea recipes I want to try, and stupid me didn't know they're also called Garbanzo beans and thought I couldn't find them in my area. They were at my store the entire time under a different name.

Oh, yeah! Those are "garbanzos" for me. If you are able to find the garbanzo flour you can make some "faina" which is only: garbanzo flour, salt/pepper, oil and water. Cook it in the oven, in a pizza tray... delish!

If you're buying the canned ones, you can keep the aqua fava for vegan meringue. Some people may use the aqua fava in replace of egg whites.

Another good use for those garbanzos is homemade hummus.
 
@DKDetective told me that a lot of nutrients are lost when you cut out meat and usually vegans and vegetarians need to take supplements, which I think is because the alternatives are still insufficient in protein, iron, etc.
And that's the irony; if vegans truly went all natural, then they'd not be taking supplements. Those supplements aren't natural either - they're made in a lab.

I don't eat too much meat, could easily give up lamb and pork (except barbecue pulled pork cause that's just glorious). I do like a good burger or beef chilli occasionally too.

My problem would be giving up chicken. That goes well with so much for me, that and fish (so I could possibly be pescatarian if chicken wasn't an option).

Alike @MissMarvelous87 though, I'm a sucker for cheese. I simply couldn't live without it, so veganism ... I just couldn't do it.

I'm sure some vegan and vegetarian dishes are lovely, in fact two friends of mine became vegetarian earlier this year and cooked what could almost have been one of the best curries I've ever had (it was vegetarian), but I don't think I'd want to try and survive off a vegan diet.
 
@DKDetective told me that a lot of nutrients are lost when you cut out meat and usually vegans and vegetarians need to take supplements, which I think is because the alternatives are still insufficient in protein, iron, etc.

I would prefer a pescetarian or semi-vegetarian diet which is what I'm doing. I do want to work towards veganism by trying their food and alternatives. I'm actually eating veggie burgers now as opposed to red meat and personally feel healthier compared to when I ate red meat, which is based on my own personal experience.

There are a lot of environmental issues with vegetarianism and veganism. There is no doubt that Western society, especially North America, eats too much meat and that factory farming of livestock to keep up with such high demand results in unethical treatment of animals, as well as horrible consequences on the environment and for climate change. The problem is that the intensive farming of cash crops for a vegetable/grain-based diet is also very problematic. It reduces biodiversity, requires the use of horrific levels of pesticides and artificial fertilizers, and kills the soil. The only way to keep up intensive agriculture in both environmentally and economically sustainable ways is with mixed farming that requires the raising of lifestock for meat, cheese, eggs, etc. alongside the growing of plant-based produce. Here is a great article on the issue from an Ecosocialist blog:
Why avoiding meat won't save the planet

It's all about the old three-field crop rotation most of us learned about in elementary or high school. Crop fields need time off to rebuild the nutrients in the soil otherwise the soil becomes depleted and exhausted. They need to be left fallow. Unfortunately, leaving arable land completely fallow and unused is just not economically viable for most farmers. Farming is a high capital, low profit business. The classical answer going back millennia is to use the fallow field as pasture for livestock. The lifestock can feed over of the grass and clover that grows naturally during the fallow period and will re-enrich the soil naturally with their manure. Proper pastureland maintenance also requires hedgerows and bush or woodlot, which is necessary for wildlife, bees, and biodiversity, etc.

On top of that, the other issue with a purely vegetarian or vegan diet is that, as Lily mentioned, in order to get proper nutrition from it, you have to heavily supplement and eat a wide variety of different fruits, vegetables, grains. Unfortunately, despite your local supermarket having all of those items year-around, they do not grow year around and most of them do not grow locally. The wide selection of foods that vegans and vegetarians rely upon is a Western capitalist luxury. It requires the shipping of produce that is either not in season or not endemic to where some lives by ship, rail, plane, or truck across countries and continents. In other words, it uses a ton of fossil fuels and produces a lot of greenhouse gas. Moreover, as fossil fuels become more expensive or we are required to change to more expensive renewable energy sources such a globalized food supply will likely become prohibitively expensive and such a variety will not be accessible.

In short, for the majority of people, the best way to eat going forward in an ethical, sustainable, and environmentally-friendly manner is to eat less meat, but to continue to eat a mixed diet based around biodiverse heirloom crops and lifestock raised locally and which produce the least amount of greenhouse gas both during produce and getting from farm to table. Instead of eating 10 large meat portions during the week, sourced from cheap factory farming operations, save up and have one nice Sunday roast sourced from a local, ethical producer, etc. Not only does it taste great, but it is also healthier, better for the environment, and you are supporting small, local business over big agribusiness and corporations. It is probably one of the most significant ways that an individual consumer can use their individual purchasing power to support green initiatives.
 
So I tried a Beyond Burger at Denny's which wasn't bad, but why make a veggie burger when you put bacon on it? Also if you are on a low salt diet, I wouldn't recommend because it's high in sodium. I'll probably stick to chicken or salmon there and just order black bean burgers from Chili's.
 
I want to try Just Eggs, but can't find it in my area. It uses Mung bean proteins for a similar taste and texture as eggs.

Bon Appetit has chickpea recipes I want to try, and stupid me didn't know they're also called Garbanzo beans and thought I couldn't find them in my area. They were at my store the entire time under a different name.
My favorite thing about vegans and their diet is introducing me to more kinds of beans than I normally see in markets in my country, and some interesting recipes using them.

My problem would be giving up chicken. That goes well with so much for me, that and fish (so I could possibly be pescatarian if chicken wasn't an option).
Chicken is possibly safer than red meat, but not sure I'd say that in countries where chicken used is from asphyxiated hens.

Pescatarian diet seems to be a fine choice for a diet to me, there are no restrictions to meat from sea creatures, unless you're allergic to some of it, and their benefits are generally high.



If anyone still likes to eat red meat I suggest finding the nearest shop selling halal meat, it will be a different experience.
 
I haven't been vegan for a long time. I'm looking for alternative products. I really like yogurt, milk and sour cream from nuts. It is very tasty and useful. I really like spinach, cabbage and other greens. My favorite dishes are vegan rolls (including vocado, tofu, mushrooms, cucumbers, tomatoes and vegan mayonnaise). I also use vitamins. On Canada Drugs I read about vitamin complexes for vegans (it consists of vitamin D, B12, Omega-3, Iodine, Calcium and Iron). Thanks to this complexes and a variety of food, I feel great.
 
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I'm not vegetarian but I did find some amazing tasting vegetarian burgers a few years ago and was eating them all the time instead of meat, but then my supermarket stopped selling them. :csad:
 
I'm not vegetarian but I did find some amazing tasting vegetarian burgers a few years ago and was eating them all the time instead of meat, but then my supermarket stopped selling them. :csad:
I feel your disappointment. When it comes to burgers I prefer veggie to meaty flavor.
 
I feel your disappointment. When it comes to burgers I prefer veggie to meaty flavor.
Until I found those particular burgers I had tried a wide range of veggie burgers and sausages, and some of them were horrific. :D

I’ll have to see if I can find them elsewhere as they were so good.
 
Until I found those particular burgers I had tried a wide range of veggie burgers and sausages, and some of them were horrific. :D

I’ll have to see if I can find them elsewhere as they were so good.
You could always make your own. There's plenty of recipes online and you can freeze them to make them last longer.
 
There are a lot of environmental issues with vegetarianism and veganism. There is no doubt that Western society, especially North America, eats too much meat and that factory farming of livestock to keep up with such high demand results in unethical treatment of animals, as well as horrible consequences on the environment and for climate change. The problem is that the intensive farming of cash crops for a vegetable/grain-based diet is also very problematic. It reduces biodiversity, requires the use of horrific levels of pesticides and artificial fertilizers, and kills the soil. The only way to keep up intensive agriculture in both environmentally and economically sustainable ways is with mixed farming that requires the raising of lifestock for meat, cheese, eggs, etc. alongside the growing of plant-based produce. Here is a great article on the issue from an Ecosocialist blog:
Why avoiding meat won't save the planet

It's all about the old three-field crop rotation most of us learned about in elementary or high school. Crop fields need time off to rebuild the nutrients in the soil otherwise the soil becomes depleted and exhausted. They need to be left fallow. Unfortunately, leaving arable land completely fallow and unused is just not economically viable for most farmers. Farming is a high capital, low profit business. The classical answer going back millennia is to use the fallow field as pasture for livestock. The lifestock can feed over of the grass and clover that grows naturally during the fallow period and will re-enrich the soil naturally with their manure. Proper pastureland maintenance also requires hedgerows and bush or woodlot, which is necessary for wildlife, bees, and biodiversity, etc.

On top of that, the other issue with a purely vegetarian or vegan diet is that, as Lily mentioned, in order to get proper nutrition from it, you have to heavily supplement and eat a wide variety of different fruits, vegetables, grains. Unfortunately, despite your local supermarket having all of those items year-around, they do not grow year around and most of them do not grow locally. The wide selection of foods that vegans and vegetarians rely upon is a Western capitalist luxury. It requires the shipping of produce that is either not in season or not endemic to where some lives by ship, rail, plane, or truck across countries and continents. In other words, it uses a ton of fossil fuels and produces a lot of greenhouse gas. Moreover, as fossil fuels become more expensive or we are required to change to more expensive renewable energy sources such a globalized food supply will likely become prohibitively expensive and such a variety will not be accessible.

In short, for the majority of people, the best way to eat going forward in an ethical, sustainable, and environmentally-friendly manner is to eat less meat, but to continue to eat a mixed diet based around biodiverse heirloom crops and lifestock raised locally and which produce the least amount of greenhouse gas both during produce and getting from farm to table. Instead of eating 10 large meat portions during the week, sourced from cheap factory farming operations, save up and have one nice Sunday roast sourced from a local, ethical producer, etc. Not only does it taste great, but it is also healthier, better for the environment, and you are supporting small, local business over big agribusiness and corporations. It is probably one of the most significant ways that an individual consumer can use their individual purchasing power to support green initiatives.
I think the basic idea is more plant life = more oxygen thus helping the Earth in the long-term vs more animals who will produce more CO₂. Also there's always GMOs that could help with the demand.
 
You could always make your own. There's plenty of recipes online and you can freeze them to make them last longer.
I’m still an ultra-beginner level cook but I definitely need to eat less meat. Freezing would suit me too. I like making a tonne in one go and having it last a long time.
 
I haven't been vegan for a long time. I'm looking for alternative products. I really like yogurt, milk and sour cream from nuts. It is very tasty and useful. I really like spinach, cabbage and other greens. My favorite dishes are vegan rolls (including vocado, tofu, mushrooms, cucumbers, tomatoes and vegan mayonnaise). I also use vitamins. I read about vitamin complexes for vegans (it consists of vitamin D, B12, Omega-3, Iodine, Calcium and Iron). Thanks to this complexes and a variety of food, I feel great.
I make a veggie wrap with sliced Portobello mushrooms sautéed in soy sauce and olive oil, spinach leaves, spicy brown mustard, siracha, avocado, tomatoes, and onions in a spinach wrap as my go to for a healthy lunch. Add shredded cheese if you're vegetarian or yogurt. I also eat it with carrot sticks or grapes with a bottle of green tea.
 
I think the basic idea is more plant life = more oxygen thus helping the Earth in the long-term vs more animals who will produce more CO₂. Also there's always GMOs that could help with the demand.
See that is the problem. It's not as simple as more vegetation and less animals=positive effect. There are other environmental issues that would be made much worse with that simplistic of a policy. It's like how in the 70s they told everyone to eat less meat and fat out of concern for heart disease, but actually caused a full blown obesity and diabetes epidemic because they told people to replace the meat and other fats in their diet with grains and other carbs. Complex biological systems do not have such simple solutions.

More fields for intensive agriculture actually means less oxygen-producing vegetation. It involves the clearing of wood lots and other natural environments for crop fields, which kills off bees and other pollinators, etc. GMOs are not the solution. GMOs kill off weeds and other necessary vegetation for biodiversity. They are invasive species by design. Also, farming large amounts of intensive crops requires the use of ridiculous amounts of pesticides, which kill wildlife to devastating environmental effect, including vegetation, insects, birds, and small mammals.

A much better solution for reducing carbon emissions while balancing other environmental concerns is for most to continue to eat meat and fish, but reduce their volume and to focus on eating locally from sustainable sources as much as possible, whether it is meat, fish, fruit, or vegetables. A nice steak should be a luxury like it was for everyone outside the US before the Green Revolution in the 1950s and 1960s. People need to learn how to cook things like oxtails, beef cheeks, pigs trotters, marrow bones, etc. again. Things that were the core of peasant cooking for millennia. If we eat every part of the animal, it means less animals to feed more people, and less CO2. It is also far more respectful to the animal and its life, for those who are concerned about such things.
 
See that is the problem. It's not as simple as more vegetation and less animals=positive effect. There are other environmental issues that would be made much worse with that simplistic of a policy. It's like how in the 70s they told everyone to eat less meat and fat out of concern for heart disease, but actually caused a full blown obesity and diabetes epidemic because they told people to replace the meat and other fats in their diet with grains and other carbs. Complex biological systems do not have such simple solutions.

More fields for intensive agriculture actually means less oxygen-producing vegetation. It involves the clearing of wood lots and other natural environments for crop fields, which kills off bees and other pollinators, etc. GMOs are not the solution. GMOs kill off weeds and other necessary vegetation for biodiversity. They are invasive species by design. Also, farming large amounts of intensive crops requires the use of ridiculous amounts of pesticides, which kill wildlife to devastating environmental effect, including vegetation, insects, birds, and small mammals.

A much better solution for reducing carbon emissions while balancing other environmental concerns for most to continue to eat meat and fish, but reduce their volume and to focus on eating locally from sustainable sources as much as possible, whether it is meat, fish, fruit, or vegetables. A nice steak should be a luxury like it was for everyone outside the US before the Green Revolution in the 1950s and 1960s. People need to learn how to cook things like oxtails, beef cheeks, pigs trotters, marrow bones, etc. again. Things that were the core of peasant cooking for millennia. If we eat every part of the animal, it means less animals to feed more people, and less CO2. It is also far more respectful to the animal and its life, for those who are concerned about such things.
Big words coming from someone who can't type CO₂. :o
 

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