The White Walkers Thread

[DigificWriter]

We saw the Night King's 'birth' last night in Bran's vision; Leaf stabbed the human who became the Night King with a dragonglass dagger and we saw his eyes go blue, so he was definitely one of the First Men once upon a time.

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

We saw the Night King's 'birth' last night in Bran's vision; Leaf stabbed the human who became the Night King with a dragonglass dagger and we saw his eyes go blue, so he was definitely one of the First Men once upon a time.

Not necessarily. He could have been a man from the Age of Heroes. The Long Night and the entrance of the Others happened then.

 

[DigificWriter]

Did you bother to watch the episode? Leaf spells it out for Bran when and why the Children created the White Walkers after he awakens from his vision.

Plus, it was confirmed that the actor playing the tied up human in Bran's vision was Richard Brake, the same actor who plays the Night King.

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

Did you bother to watch the episode? Leaf spells it out for Bran that the Children created the White Walkers after he awakens from the vision he saw.

Plus, it was confirmed by David and Dan that the actor playing the tied up human in Bran's vision was Richard Brake, the same actor who plays the Night King.

Don't be so indignant. I'm not debating any of that. There was no evidence given that this took place in the Dawn of Time nor anything about the identity of the man. Sure he's the eventual Night King, but this conversion could have happened to a guy from the Age of Heroes which is still a very remote period -ca 10,000. The Long Night and the entrance of the White Walkers occurred then.

And obviously D&D are making some changes to timelines and events for their Night King which I still think is based on a GRRM idea.

 

[DigificWriter]

There was no evidence given that this took place in the Dawn of Time nor anything about the identity of the man. Sure he's the eventual Night King, but this conversion could have happened to a guy from the Age of Heroes which is still a very remote period -ca 10,000. The Long Night and the entrance of the White Walkers occurred then.

He's not the EVENTUAL Night King; he IS the Night King, as spelled out by Leaf in the episode AND confirmed by David and Dan.

You want to conflate stuff that, at least based on what we have been told both by the show and the showrunners, shouldn't/can't be conflated.

 

[Reek]

Digific is in a debating mood tonight...

Oh... and that's not Richard Brake... Confirmed by David and Dan... and BY GRRM HIMSELF!

 

[Reek]

Plus, it was confirmed that the actor playing the tied up human in Bran's vision was Richard Brake, the same actor who plays the Night King.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0298842/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1#actor

Did David and Dan tell you this? or are you making up these confirmations as you go?

 

[DigificWriter]

^ Apparently they recast the role for Season 6 (which I was not aware of until literally just now), but the man we see tied to that tree in Bran's vision IS the Night King... as confirmed by David and Dan in the Inside the Episode featurette for The Door (which I just watched).

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

He's not the EVENTUAL Night King; he IS the Night King, as spelled out by Leaf in the episode AND confirmed by David and Dan.

You want to conflate stuff that, at least based on what we have been told both by the show and the showrunners, shouldn't/can't be conflated.

You argue so pointlessly, and in the other thread too.

He wasn't always the Night King. He was just a man and one from an indeterminate time period -that's what I've been trying to say. In other words, he could be some altered version of GRRM's Night's King -even from that age. Until D&D refute that and clarify the matter further, it stands as a possibility.

As for "conflation", you're doing plenty of that over in the other thread. And of course that's appropriate, because GRRM's writings and ideas are the source material for the show.

 

[Reek]

^ Apparently they recast the role for Season 6 (which I was not aware of until literally just now), but the man we see tied to that tree in Bran's vision IS the Night King... as confirmed by David and Dan in the Inside the Episode featurette for The Door (which I just watched).

So... you admit you made up the fact that it was confirmed to be Richard Brake lol

 

[DigificWriter]

^ I didn't make it up; I was using the true information of the man we see in Bran's vision being the Night King (which was confirmed by David and Dan) and conflating it with information from the two previous seasons (Richard Brake playing the Night King) that I didn't know was now inaccurate.

 

[Reek]

Did you bother to watch the episode? Leaf spells it out for Bran when and why the Children created the White Walkers after he awakens from his vision.

Plus, it was confirmed that the actor playing the tied up human in Bran's vision was Richard Brake, the same actor who plays the Night King.

^ I didn't make it up; I was using the true information of the man we see in Bran's vision being the Night King (which was confirmed by David and Dan) and conflating it with information from the two previous seasons (Richard Brake playing the Night King) that I didn't know was now inaccurate.

No... truth is, in your attempts at being argumentative, you stuck your foot in your mouth and got put in your place. It's ok, son. Everything is going to be... OK.

that I didn't know was now inaccurate.

If you didn't know... why lie and say it was confirmed to be Richard Brake?

 

[Reek]

The man tied up there is also the actor who played the Night's King; Vladimir Furdik. So that's definitely meant to be him.

I hate to be "that guy", but the character's name is the Night King (no 's').

D&D refer to him as that. GRRM (and the rest of the world) uses Night's King -he stated that's the form he prefers.

I'd also point out that the circumstances of how Wylis became Hodor aren't something that David and Dan concocted, but something that came straight from GRMM.

Reek: You're arguing that time travel and casualty loops make for stupid storytelling, but the ultimate rebuttal to that is that both of these ideas came straight from GRRM.

Reek: You're the only person using the phrase "change the past" here; you're also the only person complaining about time travel and casualty loops and saying they're stupid even though they're pretty clearly story ideas that are more than likely going to make it into the novels at some point in the future given that they came "straight from the horse's mouth", as it were.

GRMM can refer to the character how he wants, but when it comes to the show, David and Dan ultimately have the final word...

Boy, oh boy.

You, my friend, are something else.

 

[dude stannis]

Before you reply DigificWriter, I ask you to consider this. How valuable is your life? Do you hold it dear? Do your loved ones value your company? Do you favor growing old, to teach your ugly, inbred children your grotesque manners? Reply to Reek and he'll make it your end.

 

[Marvolo]

He is called the Night's King because he was was a Lord Commander of the Night's Watch that went bad and declared himself King of the Night's Watch and the Dreadfort. Hence "Night's King".

He wasnt the King of Night. He was the depraved king of the Night's Watch. Calling him the Night King doesnt make any damn sense and I havent heard D&D say thats how its pronounced on the show.

Call him by his proper name and title and stop trying to dance around the fact that you were wrong about his name. Its ok to be wrong. Everyone of us here are wrong from time to time, but stubbornly refusing to admit that you were wrong and continuing to stick to that error is pure childishness.

 

[Roose Bolton]

George also said he calls the show character "Night's King".

 

[DigificWriter]

I havent heard D&D say thats how its pronounced on the show.

Inside the Episode for "The Door":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9Jsj9V_Aqg

Watch it.

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

D&D referred to him as the "Night King" in other interviews too, and Bran used this title after he returned from being grabbed by him.

On Monday night, both of the main Game of Thrones wiki sites were edited and updated by people with information from "The Door". Someone (a new person evidently) changed the titles of the articles about the Night's King to "Night King".

I think that D&D prefer this form as a reference to The Long Night when the White Walkers invaded Westeros, and another one imminent with this coming Winter. Also the Lord of Light's champion, the Azor Ahai, defeated them during the Long Night, and was prophesied to return when they do. A polarity between this "Warrior of Light" (as Melisandre termed him) and the White Walker King of Night or darkness was established.

Hmmm I wonder who that warrior (also known as "The Prince Who Was Promised") could be?

 

[Joan]

White Walkers pretty cool...more please..

 

[Rowsdower!]

Okay, after reading through some of the posts on this page, I'm completely confused. So the Night's King on the show isn't a corrupted Night's Watch commander who joined with the White Walkers and became their leader, he's just some First Man (presumably) that the Children turned into the first White Walker? Or is this just speculation?

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

Okay, after reading through some of the posts on this page, I'm completely confused. So the Night's King on the show isn't a corrupted Night's Watch commander who joined with the White Walkers and became their leader, he's just some First Man (presumably) that the Children turned into the first White Walker? Or is this just speculation?

Leaf didn't say it was the First Men per se, just "men", but whomever changed the wiki entries on Monday wrote:

""Before he became a White Walker, the Night King was a human that was captured by the Children of the Forest, Leaf among them. Leaf pressed a dragonglass dagger into his chest, causing his eyes to turn blue and turning him into the first of the White Walkers. Thousands of years later, Leaf tells Bran Stark that her people created the White Walkers to defend themselves as Westeros was invaded by the First Men, who were cutting their sacred trees and slaughtering the Children of the Forest.""

This is a reasonable assumption deduced because of the conflict between the Children and the First Men which took place in the Dawn Age. I checked the timeline and this is the only time these sides were fighting, so that eliminates the possibility of the Night King being a NW Commander from the Age of Heroes -at least in the TV series.

It also means (IF the show is following GRRM's timeline, that is) that the White Walkers were hanging out for two or three thousand years doing nothing but perfecting their ice sculpture skills

before getting around to invading Westeros during the Long Night.

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

In the 'Behind the Scenes' section of the GoT wiki on the "Night King" one significant item reads:

"After 'Hardhome' aired, Game of Thrones Wiki managed to contact George R.R. Martin asking whether to treat the White Walker referred to as the 'Night's King' relative to the ancient Lord Commander known as the 'Night's King' - if they are the same character, or if 'Night's King' is a title that can be held by different characters, like 'King in the North'. He was also asked if it was significant that Benioff and Weiss refer to him as the 'Night King', without a possessive 'S'. Martin cryptically avoided the first question, but said he prefers the spelling 'Night's King':

'As for the Night's King (the form I prefer), in the books he is a legendary figure, akin to Lann the Clever and Brandon the Builder, and no more likely to have survived to the present day than they have.'"

He avoided it because that's obviously secret information and a surprise in his final two books. Or, he hasn't decided about that yet. The Night's King hasn't (allegedly) survived because he was NOT a White Walker -only married to one, "The Night's Queen"!

However, what is known about the legendary Night's King could be a totally convoluted, old wives' tale distorted by millennia of oral tradition. Dates (or time periods), circumstances, and the very nature of certain characters involved could very well be distanced from the actual truth, so that what Martin will write about him might end up matching (in some fashion) what we just saw in 'The Door". In fact, as with Hodor's name origin, the Walkers origin may have been his idea as well --communicated to D&D in one of their conferences. But if he strays from that old legend (or adheres to most of it but makes the Night's King a White Walker who escape destruction) he can justify differences as caused by error-prone oral tradition. Time will tell -maybe in about seven years if the matter isn't covered somehow in TWOW.

But at this point in time, the "Night King" is only very loosely-based on the "Night's King" with far more differences than similarities between the two.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I'm personally starting to think that maybe the Night's Watch was actually founded by the Children of the Forest with the WWs in command, at least in the show.

It's pretty tinfoilery, but the main reason I had this thought is because I realized there were 13 WWs in attendance during that Craster baby scene. Perhaps they were the original 13, with the NK being the last. The Night's Watch erected the wall to protect life north of the wall, but eventually turned against all life overall. The First Men and Children of the Forest came together to push them far north and used enchantments to keep them there.

Why did they turn against everyone? Because the NK found out about the Horn of Joramun that could summon giants from the earth, presumably ice dragons that could be used to turn Westeros and beyond into their own kingdom. That'd explain why they've been pacing around north of the Wall so much. They're looking for the horn.

I'm probably missing some key details, so feel free to poke holes in this theory.

 

[DigificWriter]

Bran witnessed the Night King's 'birth', so regardless of WHEN it happened, the Children of the Forest created him and, by extension, the other White Walkers.

 

[Reek]

It's hilarious how you post 10 times saying WELL GRRM SAID THIS! GRRM GRRM GRRM!!!! But then when it comes to the Night or Night's King... you said D&D have the final word, after all the GRRM SAID IT THOUGH! STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSES MOUTH!

I've learned to simply respond to you with this from now on.