The Wrestling Thread's Never Been So Disgusted With a PPV... - Part 139

[DigificWriter]

you're so insistent on being a McMahon apologist

I'm not a 'McMahon apologist'; I'm someone who watches wrestling for the sheer enjoyment of what it offers as a television program and as a form of 'unscripted' entertainment.

There are much better ways to express displeasure with the product being offered than to **** on people who don't deserve to get shat on, and that's what is happening any time a crowd decides it wants to act like a bunch of spoiled toddlers whose parents told them they can't have candy.

 

[sweetre15]

I'm not a 'McMahon apologist'; I'm someone who watches wrestling for the sheer enjoyment of what it offers as a television program and as a form of 'unscripted' entertainment.

There are much better ways to express displeasure with the product being offered than to **** on people who don't deserve to get shat on, and that's what is happening any time a crowd decides it wants to act like a bunch of spoiled toddlers whose parents told them they can't have candy.

What other ways? If they did it any other way McMahon would just spin it by explaining it away as something else.

An audience can only take so much of being slapped in the face and it seems that finally they are fed up. Just about almost EVERY rising star fans want to support has been screwed over solely for the sake of a self serving agenda because Vinnie Mac just so happens to be obsessed with muscles to an unhealthy degree? If every time you showed support for something, you got shot down time and time again for no good reason, wouldn't you be pissed?

 

[O'Haire]

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I can think of no better way for wrestling fans to let the promoters know what they want and don't want to see than to cheer, boo, chant whatever they like. That is what professional wrestling is all about. The audience tells the promotion what they want. That is how it SHOULD be. The fans in Pittsburgh had every right to react the way they did. That was their right as a paying costumer.

 

[DigificWriter]

What other ways?

Petitions, letters, and not watching the product immediately come to mind.

 

[TripleR]

In a sick way, I'm glad this happened... at the rate this is going, I'll be able to form a pretty sizable angry mob in New Orleans.

 

[sweetre15]

Petitions, letters, and not watching the product immediately come to mind.

And if they blame the sabotaged talent for the loss in viewers then what?

Second off, what makes you think Vince gives a damn about petitions or letters?

At the end of the day we're still wrestling fans and their are performers there we want to support....why shouldn't we speak up and continue to make it clear that they aren't doing right by us.

A company that preaches about the audience determining the success of a performer then the next day slapping that same audience in the face.

 

[Trainwreck2100]

can't wait for RAW tomorrow, hopefully the fans riot from the gate. Is it in Philly?

 

[RetroNaz]

I'm not a 'McMahon apologist'; I'm someone who watches wrestling for the sheer enjoyment of what it offers as a television program and as a form of 'unscripted' entertainment.

There are much better ways to express displeasure with the product being offered than to **** on people who don't deserve to get shat on, and that's what is happening any time a crowd decides it wants to act like a bunch of spoiled toddlers whose parents told them they can't have candy.

That isn't what happened. This is an interactive entertainment show where the fans are encouraged to cheer or boo.

The crowd are cheering for DB to feature in the main event.

Any entertainment programme worth a lick listens to its audience.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

That isn't what happened. This is an interactive entertainment show where the fans are encouraged to cheer or boo.

The crowd are cheering for DB to feature in the main event.

Any entertainment programme worth a lick listens to its audience.

This guy gets it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Now I remember why I stopped watching again. Thanks Vince.

 

[Octoberist]

I'm not a 'McMahon apologist'; I'm someone who watches wrestling for the sheer enjoyment of what it offers as a television program and as a form of 'unscripted' entertainment.

There are much better ways to express displeasure with the product being offered than to **** on people who don't deserve to get shat on, and that's what is happening any time a crowd decides it wants to act like a bunch of spoiled toddlers whose parents told them they can't have candy.

You're coming off as a very naive person.

This is how Stone Cold and The Rock got over. No matter how matter times they made them heels, the fans cheered HARD for them. So the WWF responded and went with it.

For some reason, McMahon has an issue with Daniel and the fans are getting peeved This is the most powerful way to get heard: the crowd. Not petitions.

Also, even new talent gets a chance to shine, their push gets buried after a year. Damian Sandow comes to mind. That's why I'm afraid for Roman.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm ashamed to be a wrestling fan now because it's gotten to the point where other fans think they're so entitled to having things done their way that it's ruined my own personal enjoyment of wrestling.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with Batista winning the Rumble. I say this not only as a fan of his, but also as a long-time fan of wrestling in general, and yet other fans and people like Mick Foley are acting like they've been handed an egregious personal slight just because the producers of what is essentially a gigantic 'reality show' didn't change the pre-determined outcome of said 'reality show' on a whim.

I've not always agreed with decisions that the WWE has made, but there's a significant difference between disagreement and obnoxious hate-fueled behavior, and all this whining has reached the point where it's become the latter.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a guy who hasn't been there in years main eventing the biggest PPV in the company's history? Against the vast majority of fans wishes?

The Daniel Bryan thing isn't short lived. It has been going on for a while, and is only getting worse. If your main event is nothing but the crowd losing in for Bryan it is going to be embarrassing.

 

[Octoberist]

That isn't what happened. This is an interactive entertainment show where the fans are encouraged to cheer or boo.

The crowd are cheering for DB to feature in the main event.

Any entertainment programme worth a lick listens to its audience.

Exactly. It's a total immerse entertainment experience based on the crowd. It's quite simple.

I really think the cheering for Daniel isn't just for him but for every new talent backstage.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You're coming off as a very naive person.

This is how Stone Cold and The Rock got over. No matter how matter times they made them heels, the fans cheered HARD for them. So the WWF responded and went with it.

For some reason, McMahon has an issue with Daniel and the fans are getting peeved This is the most powerful way to get heard: the crowd. Not petitions.

Also, even new talent gets a chance to shine, their push gets buried after a year. Damian Sandow comes to mind. That's why I'm afraid for Roman.

Benoit flashbacks perhaps? There really can't be another reason. He is not the best on the mic, and he lacks the same kind of charisma of Austin or the Rock, but the fans love him and they love his matches. This is just getting stupid at this point.

 

[Octoberist]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a guy who hasn't been there in years main eventing the biggest PPV in the company's history? Against the vast majority of fans wishes?

The Daniel Bryan thing isn't short lived. It has been going on for a while, and is only getting worse. If your main event is nothing but the crowd losing in for Bryan it is going to be embarrassing.

Yup. Image if during the Attitude Era, when The Rock, DX, and Austin were kings, then all of a sudden Hogan comes back to take the top matches.

 

[Octoberist]

Benoit flashbacks perhaps? There really can't be another reason. He is not the best on the mic, and he lacks the same kind of charisma of Austin or the Rock, but the fans love him and they love his matches. This is just getting stupid at this point.

True.

Again, it's just a symbolic thing and Daniel happens to be the face of it. (Though Punk would've made more sense.) Daniel almost comes off as a guy who just pretty darn normal too, who happened to worked really hard to get to the WWE. He's relatable just by the vibes and tics he gives out, and people gravitate to that.

It's a genuine and organic reaction that cannot be ignored.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yup. Image if during the Attitude Era, when The Rock, DX, and Austin were kings, then all of a sudden Hogan comes back to take the top matches.

But we aren't even talking about Hogan. We are talking about Batista.

We are also talking about a ridiculous situation. This would be like if the WWE refused to push Austin or Rocky in favor of bringing Hogan back. Having him lose and not even given the chance to succeed.

And if their idea to fix this ends up being some stupid triple threat match, which it won't be anyways, they continue to show their ignorance.

 

[TheVileOne]

The best way to send the message is to stop watching.

Just saying, Batista getting a ratings boost tells WWE they need to give him the Rumble win and the Mania main event.

Vote with your wallet.

 

[Octoberist]

What bothers me is how bad Batista looked in the ring, stumbling around. His spear was totally overshadowed by Roman.

Again, I'm scared if the WWE did push Roman, he'll just get buried a year later.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

True.

Again, it's just a symbolic thing and Daniel happens to be the face of it. (Though Punk would've made more sense.) Daniel almost comes off as a guy who just pretty darn normal too, who happened to worked really hard to get to the WWE. He's relatable just by the vibes and tics he gives out, and people gravitate to that.

It's a genuine and organic reaction that cannot be ignored.

Punk really couldn't be the answer. He has had a real chance to shine, and even while they hampered him, he is still consider one of the top guys.

Bryan is the shining example, while things continue to be the "old way". Rejecting someone who is arguably the best in the business in the ring, for someone who they think is safe.

We live in an era without an Austin or Rock. Someone being pushed who the fans truly love. So when guys like Benoit and Eddie were ignored for years, it wasn't that big a deal to general fanbase. It is almost like we have had a decade of Triple H. Guys forced upon the fans because that is what they "should" want.

We are in the Wrestlemania season. This is suppose to be the time of the fans, and now two years in a row it feels like they couldn't care less about giving the fans what they want.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What bothers me is how bad Batista looked in the ring, stumbling around. His spear was totally overshadowed by Roman.

Again, I'm scared if the WWE did push Roman, he'll just get buried a year later.

Of course he looked horrible. We are talking about Batista, an old Batista. He wasn't all that good to begin with.

 

[sweetre15]

It pisses me off to the point where I can't even f---cking sleep for class tomorrow....

I mean, does WWE really think fans will just "get over it" and react the way they want them to if they keep slapping us in the face?

Here's a list of the people that have gotten over with the audience and have been screwed over recently:

CM Punk

Daniel Bryan

Dolph Ziggler

(Ugh)Ryback

Damien Sandow

Cody Rhodes(in comparison to the pops he got in the early parts of the authority angle)

Kofi Kingston

Wade Barrett

Pulling the triggers on these guys when they were and for some, still are, over could have really successfully helped the desired changing of the guard the audience wants badly but WWE has screwed these guys over by either: backstage politics, jobbing them out beyond repair, or just simply misbooking them.

Does WWE not see a ****ing problem with the ways they've being handling things? It seems like every fall or winter, rising talent get screwed over or compromised conveniently i time for Mania season to roll around and when the part timers return.

This is starting to feel less and less coincidental and more intentional to me as time goes on.

How do they keep making the same mistakes? Aren't they smart enough to know a recurring pattern when they see one or is it that it was intentional as part of a self serving agenda?

 

[Octoberist]

I swear, Kofi constantly gets the best spots in the past Royal Rumbles he's been in, only to stay in 'Mid Carter' land.

And poor, poor Wade.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Kofi does nothing for me, but man it is bad that he has seemingly entered the world of "mid-card limbo".