The WWE Universe Doesn't Know That There's A Wrestling Thread - Part 28

[TheIncredibleSk]

The Rock left though after that night after Mania. Just Miz and Cena.

 

[Wheels]

PWI's Mike Johnson on MITB buys.

http://www.pwinsider.com/article/61156/wwe-money-in-the-bank-ppv-updatecorrection.html?p=1

 

[BlackLantern]

and he's not been seen since....and the ****** part is the mouth breathers will eat it up when he does come back....as much as I enjoy the Rock, either come back regular or stay gone

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

You keep saying that he drew the lowest PPV draw in five ****ing years but you wont give the man credit when gets the buyrate to go up.

 

[Metallo]

The Rock left the night after WM. He wasn't advertised at all for Extreme Rules. The Miz and John Cena came off a very bad main event at WM28. We were in a bad economy. People had streams. Yadda yadda. So shouldn't the buyrate went down? They were interested in the ****ing Rock so shouldn't have buyrates went down or at least not went way like they did? Interest may have been up but that doesnt mean people are shell out money unless they wanna watch. The Miz in the main event got the buy rate to go higher. Your not gonna give him credit cause you hate him. Whatever but him helping out a buyrate is no different from Punk but yet your praising Punk but discounting The Miz.

I KNOW the Rock left. But what I am saying was that interest was still high even after he left. And that it slowly bled off.

I'm not going to give credit just because he just hapened to be champ durign a quarter of the year where The Rock caused an increase in viewership.

If the Rock NEVER came back you might have a point. he did.

Yadda yadda? The Miz drew for Extreme Rules/ So what? he had the worst buyrate of the last half decade with OLT. None of the other champions of the last five years have that mark on their record.

AS for me hating Miz you seem to be trying to prove a point cause you LIKE the guy so much so don't bring up my bias. You've been trying every excuse you can to say Punk WASN'T a draw or that he didn't get the job done.

 

[BlackLantern]

.John Cena (regardless of his opponent) is still a draw

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

All those factors about Punk was still in play for Miz's match with Cena yet buyrates went way up but NOOOOO you don't give him credit you wanna say it's all rock and trends, even when Extreme rules had the highest PPV buys in that slot since 2007. But keep on not giving Miz credit.

 

[Metallo]

You keep saying that he drew the lowest PPV draw in five ****ing years but you wont give the man credit when gets the buyrate to go up.

And you've been trying to discredit Punk by saying "Com on man admit it" and splitting hairs about how he was short ten thousand buys or whatever other bullsh**.

Why should I give Miz credit when overall interest in the product was UP because of exposure Rocks return gave WWE?

Miz certainly didn't sustain it.

 

[Metallo]

All those factors about Punk was still in play for his match with Cena yet buyrates went way up but NOOOOO you give him credit you wanna say it's all rock and trends, even when Extreme rules had the highest PPV buys in that slot since 2007. But keep on not giving Miz credit.

Extreme Rules was the PPV after Wrestlemania. It ALWAYS draws better than some other B ppv's. And interest in Mania around that period created more interest in WWE. You can't seem to grasp that.

Why the hell are you so personally invested in protecting the Miz? You act like somebody shot your dog and f***ed your girlfriend.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

Rock increasing viewership doesn't get people to buy a show he's not on though. Thats what your not understanding. You keep bringing up a show where Miz show drew ****** buys but don't give the man credit when gets the highest buys in that slot in four years.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Punk's TV numbers are incredible, he put 1.5 million on the end of Raw when he did the contract signing with Vince, and Cena vs Punk from this last Raw added nearly 2 million viewers. Plus he stuck 500,000 viewer on a mic segment with Nash who hasn't been in the WWE for years. On top of that his shirt is shipping faster than any shirt has since the attitude era.

With MITB there were probably a lot of people skeptical that the whole thing would just end in a Cena win and didn't bother to buy and just streamed/downloaded. The Summerslam buyrate will be the tester.

People need to remember though that Rome wasn't built in a day, WWE are trying something new, Austin didn't draw out of the gate either, but in time became the most successful draw in the history of the business.

 

[Metallo]

Your saying all this yet your discounting the miz?

Because he was champion when interest in the company was at the highest its been in years. he had the advantage of a far bigger spotlight on the product even though HE wasn't the draw during that period.

Punk didn't have any of that.

 

[Hunter Rider]

All those factors about Punk was still in play for Miz's match with Cena yet buyrates went way up but NOOOOO you don't give him credit you wanna say it's all rock and trends, even when Extreme rules had the highest PPV buys in that slot since 2007. But keep on not giving Miz credit.

You don't think that just maybe people were hoping The Rock would show up? or were buying it because they knew Cena would take the belt back? or that it was a PPV full of hardcore gimmick matches?

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

You don't seem grasp my point that he drew a higher buyrate in that slot in four ****ing years. Also that slot has ok business since 09. He got the buyrate to go the highest since 07.

 

[Metallo]

Rock increasing viewership doesn't get people to buy a show he's not on though. Thats what your not understanding. You keep bringing up a show where Miz show drew ****** buys but don't give the man credit when gets the highest buys in that slot in four years.

Interest in the product was still high and that interest slowly bled off. people stayed to watch because they were curious but once they saw it and didn't like it they dropped off. Thats what you can't seem to grasp.

Interest during that quarter of the year was the highest its been in years so of course anything AROUND the period of Wrestlemania is going to be higher. its also the post WM ppv where threads from Wrestlemania are tied up.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

You don't think that just maybe people were hoping The Rock would show up? or were buying it because they knew Cena would take the belt back? or that it was a PPV full of hardcore gimmick matches?

1.Rock wasn't on the show for threes weeks afterward so im pretty sure they didn't
2. They wanted to see him get the title back but he was wrestling Miz and Morrison so both guys are still in the picture.
3. The buyrate went over Extreme Rules 10.

 

[Metallo]

You don't seem grasp my point that he drew a higher buyrate in that slot in four ****ing years. Also that slot has ok business since 09. He got the buyrate to go the highest since 07.

The was still interest in the show after the Rock left. It was only one month after the announced WM28 match.

 

[BlackLantern]

You don't think that just maybe people were hoping The Rock would show up? or were buying it because they knew Cena would take the belt back? or that it was a PPV full of hardcore gimmick matches?

those would be valid reasons too....

You don't seem grasp my point that he drew a higher buyrate in that slot in four ****ing years. Also that slot has ok business since 09. He got the buyrate to go the highest since 07.

I don't get how fans are getting behind this yahoo.....he's a TV reject, he's basically a glorified fanboy who got a job because of "reality TV".....he's an average wrestler at best

I just don't get it.....at all

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

Interest in the product was still high and that interest slowly bled off. people stayed to watch because they were curious but once they saw it and didn't like it they dropped off. Thats what you can't seem to grasp.

Interest during that quarter of the year was the highest its been in years so of course anything AROUND the period of Wrestlemania is going to be higher. its also the post WM ppv where threads from Wrestlemania are tied up.

Interest in The Rock doesn't get people to buy a show he wasn't advertise for or even hinted at. It look me buying Summerslam just to see Kevin Nash show up even though he wasn't advertised and I had no idea he'd be there.

 

[Metallo]

You don't think that just maybe people were hoping The Rock would show up? or were buying it because they knew Cena would take the belt back? or that it was a PPV full of hardcore gimmick matches?

he doesn't get it or wont admit it because he's defending the Miz because he has a personal stake for whatever reason or takes affront to Miz not getting his "due."

Interest in the whole product was still higher thanks to the Rock even if he wasn't there.

The fact that Miz saw such a HUGE drop on PPV buys for his next PPV OTL just shows that interest bled off in the months after Wrestlemania.

Sk won't admit that MAYBE some people stuck around to tune in to see what WWE was about then when they didn't care for it they tuned out again.

 

[Hunter Rider]

1.Rock wasn't on the show for threes weeks afterward so im pretty sure they didn't
2. They wanted to see him get the title back but he was wrestling Miz and Morrison so both guys are still in the picture.
3. The buyrate went over Extreme Rules 10.

Just because The Rock wasn't on the show for three weeks doesn't mean some people didn't buy it expecting him to show up. If the reason is they wanted to see Cena get the belt back then neither of the other two matter, it was the act of Cena getting the belt back that drew. Extreme Rules 10 was headlined by Cena vs Batista right? a guy everyone knew was leaving.

 

[BlackLantern]

Interest in The Rock doesn't get people to buy a show he wasn't advertise for or even hinted at. It look me buying Summerslam just to see Kevin Nash show up even though he wasn't advertised and I had no idea he'd be there.

uhh yes it does....especially in the case of The Rock....remember when he first left....fans chanted his name and carried his signs at events for MONTHS after, thinking he'd show up at any time

I remember going to a SmackDown here in CT, had been gone almost a year and people thought he was showing up that night

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

27k doesn't pay $50 bucks just hoping too see The Rock on a show he's not advertised for in a bad economy for a event they can stream or any other reason Metallo said MITB buyrate wasn't higher.

 

[Metallo]

Interest in The Rock doesn't get people to buy a show he wasn't advertise for or even hinted at. It look me buying Summerslam just to see Kevin Nash show up even though he wasn't advertised and I had no idea he'd be there.

Interest in the Rock got interest in the overall PRODUCT back up. Older viewers came back but when they didn't care for what they saw they slowly drifted off.

I keep saying it but you ether don't understand what I'm saying or don't care.

There is no other explanation for Miz's PPV's taking THAT significant a hit.

Like I said the month after Wrestlmania ALWAYS draws well because its where the loose threads of Wrestlemania are tied up. its still CONNECTED to Wrestlemania.

 

[BlackLantern]

do you know those 27,000 people? so you can attest to why they did or did not buy said PPV....maybe it was Miz or maybe John Cena....the guy who's been the FACE of the WWE for the past 5-6 years