We are all speculating, giving theories, ideals filing in the blanks were a movie or TV show can't because there is no time.
No, we're not all doing it. I've already drawn the conclusion that there is zero logic in Stark approaching one superhero in New York and ignoring the rest.
I don't know, and I don't care, and your guess is as good as mine, but my only guess is that this is a comic book movie so it's focusing on comic book characters
That's all you got man, is a fan theory
And folks disagree with your theory, deal with it.
Yeah and an acrobat wouldn't serve his situation at all. Tony isn't shown to have the authority to Cage out of prison, even if Cage would agree and even if he's the kind of hero Tony wanted. Jessica is just as needless. None of this serves Tony's goal. Even Luke wouldn't really serve what Tony wanted to accomplish. Call it forced if you want, but Tony went to Peter for his strength in stopping a car at 3,000 pounds 40 miles an hour and his webbing. Maybe he did go to them first and they rejected him, but it doesn't matter and seeing those scenes doesn't service the movie or what the movie wants to do.
I dont have a theory, so theres nothing for me to deal with. Yall are the ones with the theories. As far as folks disagreeing with me, I couldnt care less
Like I said earlier, Black Widow is an acrobat and served Tonys situation, so Daredevil could too. Tony couldve also easily bailed Luke out of prison if he wanted to. Im not calling it forced, Im calling it a plot hole. The rest of your post is just more of maybe this, maybe that - fan explanation and speculation
BW is already an established part of his group and Matt was retired. Maybe he could, but why would he when getting someone out of prison isn't in the interest of the accords and would take up an amount of time from what Ross gave him and how would showing him trying only to be rejected by Luke serve the movie? It's not maybe, Tony highlights Peter's webbing and strength in his points of interest in Peter. It's not a plot hole, because none of these things matter to the movie and all of these characters would reject Tony if asked (Matt's retired, Luke's a hometown hero, Jessica has no interest in government work), which would make those scenes pointless.
Really going all over the places with these excuses. First it's the fact that Matt is just an acrobat, now it's the fact that Tony doesn't know him and that he's retired...as if this explains why Tony wouldn't even try to recruit.
...because Luke has brute strength and would be a huge asset to his team
It is maybe because this is all an explanation coming from you, a fan, and not from a scene in the movie with Stark saying "Hm there is that bulletproof man in jail who would be a tough cookie to beat, but...I don't wanna waste my time with him."
It is a plot hole. There are several superheroes in New York and there is no logic whatsoever narratively for Tony to not even attempt to talk to them, and no amount of fan explanation is going to make sense out of it. That's all you guys are doing is making up your own excuses to justify it when really, as I've said perhaps 10 times now - the only reason there's no passive mention or cameo of the Netflix characters in the MCU films is because of Hollywood politics
These aren't excuses. These are pieces of the universe. BW is already there. Tony didn't recruit her. And him being retired or at least not active is evident by him not showing up for months and that's not a readily available superhero. What you're calling a plot hole is just a piece of info you don't have that the movie doesn't need because it doesn't serve the movie in any way. We know why the real reason they wouldn't be mentioned, but the movies don't need to mention them even if it could. The universe has built in reasons why irregardless though. Tony is on a limited timeframe. None of them are active at that moment, but Peter was. Based on everything, it makes sense for Tony to go for the active hero that wouldn't kill more time than he has.
wait, are you talking about Spiderman? Or just everybody else on Tony's team? There wouldn't really need to be one since those characters have been introduced for a while.
even if I am being a hypocrite, I ain't throwing any speculation around how or why or what ifs in regards to the Netflix characters being no shows on the big screen, I've said countless times that it's just politics
wait, are you talking about Spiderman? Or just everybody else on Tony's team? There wouldn't really need to be one since those characters have been introduced for a while.
Spider-Fan I thought you said you were done talking to me about this
So what excuse is there in Tony not even trying to recruit a vigilante who will be at least as effective as Black Widow, regardless of the fact that he was retired?
The plot hole that I've been discussing in this thread is actually far beyond Civil War, it's for the MCU as a whole; this thread has just devolved into a discussion about that particular movie. It serves the MCU immensely if New York is going to be a key setting in the next Avengers movie and the Defenders do nothing. Anyways, Stark was on a limited timeframe yet he was already in New York so timing is not something I agree with either.
Again, it's not like Tony himself said "I don't have time to talk to the other superheroes in New York" - it's you saying it
But you're still here arguing...
Call me a hypocrite all you want but that isn't speculation...I thought it was said in this thread already that Feige doesn't care about Netflix so that's one and done the reason why this hasn't happened. I remember back before the Sony/Disney deal, people tried making similar excuses as to why Peter Parker doesn't need to be in the MCU, saying things like "he's a solo hero so he wouldn't join up with the Avengers anyway" lo and behold because the politics worked out, he's a full fledged MCU character now
Tony should have called them because he was in New York, and completely ignoring the rest of the superheroes makes no narrative sense whatsoever. Insult me all you want, you ain't changing my mind man
Calling someone a hypocrite is one of the worst insults you could call them. I'm not trying to come up with reasons as to why Tony didn't reach out to the Netflix heroes. Therefore, I ain't speculating. My bottom line is that such a scenario hasn't happened because the writers didn't make it so. If Sony didn't shake the mouse's hand, Spider-Man wouldn't be part of the conversation either
BW is already apart of his group and is apart of the avengers already. She's there because she's apart of te avengers. Tony isn't recruiting here. She's already apart of it.
Alright, I'm glad we could come to an understanding then. So...even if we don't want the same things, perhaps we still see eye to eye on these particular in-universe situations
I understand what you're saying, you're being reasonable. I'm not saying that pointing it out is wrong nor am I saying that you don't have merit in calling me that, but I was brought up to believe it's a pretty bad insult.
...no one said anything about recruiting BW. But she's on Tony's team, and Daredevil is as at least as effective as her so if he has her on his team it doesn't make sense for him to not want him too.
Technically the whole galaxy was a key setting since half the population was wiped out. That would mean a good portion of NY's population was wiped out too. But regardless of that, NY might become a primary setting in Av4 and if the Netflix characters do nothing, then it's a plot hole.
I don't need what? What the hell are you talking about?
