Age of Ultron Thomas Krestchmann IS Baron Strucker

[TeeKay]

You'd think that it's not only the small band of Avengers that would go after HYDRA after the end of CATWS, but the whole frickin' *world.*

"Okay, SHIELD is officially disbanded and scattered to the four winds. And, there's no easy way to say this, but we just feel everyone out there should know: HYDRA now has at their disposal a ****load of alien artifacts and Phase II weapons that used to be secured by us. That's in addition to the highly advanced weapons they already developed from cosmic technology 70 years ago. Good luck, guys. "

Yep, they're screwed. That was the whole genius of the twist. Hydra is now the main villain of the MCU. I'm mostly certain they'll be mentioned in Ant-Man and will probably be in Cap 3. There's really no way that they can deal and defeat Hydra in AOU. Hydra is winning right now.

 

[cherokeesam]

In what way is Garrett proof of "dissent" anyway? Yes, he has his own motives for what he does. Said motives are irrelevant, so long as his actions benefit the cause of Hydra. I'm sure Zola, Pierce, and Strucker all have/had their own motives for pushing the Hydra cause, too.

Dissent, factionalism....you were implying that HYDRA has no unified leadership, and is just a bunch of fiefdoms with independent leaders like Garrett, Pierce, and Strucker. I was just pointing out that Garrett is the only one (other than his henchy Ward) who has not been shown to be loyal to "the cause," but is rather an opportunist who placed his bet on HYDRA to win. Otherwise, there's nothing to indicate that there's *not* centralization and a solitary leader for the group.

 

[Loki882]

They're willing to sell each other out in order to save their own skin. That hardly sounds "unified" to me. And they don't even seem to be after the same things, Strucker pretty much scoffed off Pierce's entire plan as "no longer relevant." The evidence presented seems to indicate that there isn't really an overall leader. "They haven't said that there's no leader, so there must be one" is really a convincing argument. There's ZERO evidence that Pierce was Strucker's subordinate in any way, nada, zip, nothing, not one bit, etc.

 

[metaphysician]

Being fair, the plan *was* "no longer relevant." It became that after it got publicly exposed. Its not like there was any way Hydra could turn things around and continue aiming for a covert US takeover anytime soon, if ever.

 

[TeeKay]

They're willing to sell each other out in order to save their own skin. That hardly sounds "unified" to me. And they don't even seem to be after the same things, Strucker pretty much scoffed off Pierce's entire plan as "no longer relevant." The evidence presented seems to indicate that there isn't really an overall leader. "They haven't said that there's no leader, so there must be one" is really a convincing argument. There's ZERO evidence that Pierce was Strucker's subordinate in any way, nada, zip, nothing, not one bit, etc.

To be fair, that was after Natasha leaked everything to the internet. Pierce's plan is 'no longer relevant' because it failed. They gotta save their own ass somehow. By feeding the Avengers to those Hydra bases around the world, Strucker and co can concentrate more on whatever the hell they're doing.

 

[cherokeesam]

They're willing to sell each other out in order to save their own skin. That hardly sounds "unified" to me. And they don't even seem to be after the same things, Strucker pretty much scoffed off Pierce's entire plan as "no longer relevant." The evidence presented seems to indicate that there isn't really an overall leader. "They haven't said that there's no leader, so there must be one" is really a convincing argument. There's ZERO evidence that Pierce was Strucker's subordinate in any way, nada, zip, nothing, not one bit, etc.

There's zero evidence...other than comic-book canon. And yes, we get it: adaptation, this ain't the comics, yadda yadda yadda. The simple fact is that Marvel Studios has always tried to honor canon far more than they try to deviate from it; that's kinda been their business model from the very beginning. Von Strucker certainly looks and acts the part from the comics, so there's little reason to doubt he was chosen to honor his comic-book role as the head of HYDRA.

 

[Uskok]

They're willing to sell each other out in order to save their own skin. That hardly sounds "unified" to me.

And what exactly made you believe that? I haven't seen any HYDRA agent betray his superiors to save himself in Captain America: The Winter Soldier or Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

And they don't even seem to be after the same things, Strucker pretty much scoffed off Pierce's entire plan as "no longer relevant."

Pierce's plan failed, therefore his plan became irrelevant the moment when those three helicarriers opened fire on each other. HYDRA has many more plans for world domination (super powered individuals like Wanda and Pietro, the Chitauri Scepter). Cut off one head, and two more shall take its place.

The evidence presented seems to indicate that there isn't really an overall leader. "They haven't said that there's no leader, so there must be one" is really a convincing argument. There's ZERO evidence that Pierce was Strucker's subordinate in any way, nada, zip, nothing, not one bit, etc.

By your logic, when Fury and Rommanoff captured Pierce, he was supposed to spill all of HYDRA's secrets before them and betray Strucker just to save his own skin. But he didn't. He stayed silent, thus giving HYDRA opportunity to regroup and take down S.H.I.E.L.D. If that's not loyalty, then what is?

 

[cherokeesam]

+1, Uskok....good post

 

[ctsketch]

Def. Pierce's last words were "Hail Hydra" not "eff you guys!"

 

[metaphysician]

Note that it is a tradition in organized crime that the boss man *is* allowed to sacrifice those below him for the good of the organization. I doubt Strucker is going to be actually betraying other Hydra cells. He's just going to send out orders for them to do stuff, that obstructs and distracts the Avengers and others, and that probably results in them getting mauled.

 

[speno94]

How do you like Baron Strucker being sort of the 'James Bond style opening action scene villain'?

Apparently in the opening action scene, you really see the Avengers working as a team infiltrating the HYDRA base and then when they complete the mission that party scene happens.

I'm glad that Baron Strucker will finally be on screen and I think he will be good as the opening villain.

Would anyone had liked to see a different villain for the opening action scene seeing the Avengers work as a team?

 

[MahvelBaby!]

There's zero evidence...other than comic-book canon. And yes, we get it: adaptation, this ain't the comics, yadda yadda yadda. The simple fact is that Marvel Studios has always tried to honor canon far more than they try to deviate from it; that's kinda been their business model from the very beginning. Von Strucker certainly looks and acts the part from the comics, so there's little reason to doubt he was chosen to honor his comic-book role as the head of HYDRA.

Yo seem to remember more than I, Strucker was higher ranked than Zemo no? I always remember Zemo as over him but my memory is off.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

How do you like Baron Strucker being sort of the 'James Bond style opening action scene villain'?

Apparently in the opening action scene, you really see the Avengers working as a team infiltrating the HYDRA base and then when they complete the mission that party scene happens.

I'm glad that Baron Strucker will finally be on screen and I think he will be good as the opening villain.

Would anyone had liked to see a different villain for the opening action scene seeing the Avengers work as a team?

As long as he doesn't die I'm happy, really want a bunch of kretchman in the role.

 

[speno94]

I actually would have liked Baron Zemo as the opening first act villain rather than Strucker. It would have been a nod to Zemo and the Masters of Evil.

 

[chamber-music]

Going by tonight's Agent's of Shield episode it certainly sounds like Von Strucker is head of Hydra.

Garrett was middle management gone rogue and Whitehall is upper level Hydra.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Going by tonight's Agent's of Shield episode it certainly sounds like Von Strucker is head of Hydra.

Garrett was middle management gone rogue and Whitehall is upper level Hydra.

I thought a few episodes ago it was said Whitehall was 'one of the heads of Hydra'. I took that to mean there is not one head of hydra, but various leaders who have their own agendas.

 

[chamber-music]

I thought a few episodes ago it was said Whitehall was 'one of the heads of Hydra'. I took that to mean there is not one head of hydra, but various leaders who have their own agendas.

Grant Ward said that Strucker was overseas, so he asked Sunil Bakshi who was in charge of HYDRA in his absence which he learned was Daniel Whitehall.

It seemed like Von Strucker is the top guy and Whitehall is his suboridinate running things in the States in his absence.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Ah Ok, must have missed that bit.

 

[Uskok]

I believe HYDRA would suffer a serious blow at the hands of Ultron. I think this place is the same facility where Wanda and Pietro were held at the end of Captain America: The Winter Soldier.

 

[Hypestyle]

Does this Baron still have Andrea and Andreas as his children, Fenris? Will they be introduced?

 

[Uskok]

Does this Baron still have Andrea and Andreas as his children, Fenris? Will they be introduced?

Still no sign of them.

 

[Mike5575]

There are all these superhero fights such as Hulk vs Hulkbuster, but what I really see is a fistfight between Nick Fury and Strucker. Just imagine a couple of old ass dudes beating the hell out of each other. That would be a classic fight.

 

[TheVision]

Theres this huge epic Avengers battle going on and in the middle of it we cut to:

Nick Fury and Strucker staring at each other. Close ups on (Eyepatch/Monocle)

Nick takes his glove off and slaps Strucker across the face, and BS starts blubber/cry.

Nick shakes his head in disgust.

Thats it. End of face off. Back to Avengers.

 

[Godzillasaurus]

That would be fun!

Is Hydra only going to be prominent in the very outset of the film (like the pirates in Winter Soldier), or are they going to stay for a little while longer?

 

[Uskok]