The Avengers TIH Orphaned?

[UnkillableMick]

I know there are threads on similar topics, but this thread is to specifically discuss the lack of TIH characters in The Avengers.

As far as Iron Man goes, we'll have Agent Coulson, JARVIS and possibly a Pepper Potts cameo in The Avengers. For Thor, we have Loki, Selvig and possibly Jane. Even with Cap, which is set in WWII, there's rumours of Gabe Jones and Dum Dum Dugan turning up in The Avengers.

Which leaves TIH. There's been no news or even rumours of anyone from that film other than Banner (I don't need to mention the different actor) showing up. Is it just me, or is that going to leave TIH feeling like the redhead stepchild of the MCU - isolated and overlooked.

Given the ending of TIH, William Hurt should at least appear as Thunderbolt Ross, or that scene with Stark is going to seem very redundant.

 

[Wafflehat]

Agreed. That scene in the bar at the end of TIH must have been put in for a reason other than a 'Holy crap its Iron man' moment. Im guessing it had a purpose, but with no casting announcements for Hurt, its looking like that scene is gonna end up being pretty redundant. If there are none of the main cast from TIH in Avengers, im hoping they at least provide some hefty links to it through dialouge. I really dont want TIH to become the only movie in this series that people forget about.

 

[Herolee10]

well to be fair, I wouldn't really define Coulson's character as a IM based only character. I would place him in the same category with the like of Nick Fury, since they've both been present in every MCU film, other than TIH that is.

As for TIH, I think what it has working against it the most is that it was written and made before IM2, CATFA, and Thor were even in development, thus it wasn't as easy to easily fit the events of Hulk into the rest of the films.

 

[Wafflehat]

Yeah, i understand that when it was made, they werent entirely sure how this whole 'cinematic universe' thing was gonna play out. The thing is though, is that theyve already referenced it in 2 other movies now, i would just hate for nothing in Avengers to refer to it, since that is the movie it should have some from of impact on. It would suck for fans if Banner just walks in saying something like 'sup guys. What have i been up to? Oh just some stuff y'know. Oh yeah im also the Hulk, that might come up.'

 

[Dark Raven]

I hope they can incorporate the William Hurt scene into the movie, just like the Coulson scene from Iron Man 2 was in Thor. I don't care if it's just a cameo for Hurt. He needs to be in it. I'd like to see Liv Tyler as well and Tim Roth (especially now he's at a loose end with nothing to do but wait for the phone to ring after Lie to Me ended).

 

[Lord]

The TIH final scenne didn't make much sence considering Nick FUry is now unsure if Tony should be part of the avengers but in that scenne he is shoun as if he was already part of it, wich the IM 1 post credits made it seem like.

 

[UnkillableMick]

The TIH final scenne didn't make much sence considering Nick FUry is now unsure if Tony should be part of the avengers but in that scenne he is shoun as if he was already part of it, wich the IM 1 post credits made it seem like.

TIH chronologically takes place AFTER IM2, by which point Tony was on board as a consultant.

 

[wampa1]

TIH chronologically takes place AFTER IM2, by which point Tony was on board as a consultant.

There's an overlap though. Parts of TIH are taking place during IM2.

 

[UnkillableMick]

There's an overlap though. Parts of TIH are taking place during IM2.

Very true. The mid-point of TIH is concurrent with the end of IM2.

But who knows how long after everything Stark visited Ross?

 

[wobbly]

There's an overlap though. Parts of TIH are taking place during IM2.

In the timeline Banner becomes the Hulk (the opening sequence) before IM1. The main story of TIH overlaps with IM2 up to the Campus fight, then everything after that occurs after IM2 (assuming the newscast from TIH that was shown on the monitors in the final scene of IM2 was not a recording).

Thor also overlaps with IM2 with Thor's arrival occurring at around the time Tony has his doughnut meeting with Fury.

 

[Lord]

That will make it difficult to see the movies in the right chronology, i tought TIH toke place before IM2 but the final scenne took place after IM2

 

[UnkillableMick]

This article neatly explains the somewhat confusing timeline - http://www.filmbuffonline.com/FBOLNewsreel/wordpress/2011/05/02/a-marvel-cinematic-universe-timeline/

 

[NHawk19]

^ Ok that was an awesome read and someone needs to cut all the films together just like that.

 

[Aztec]

This article neatly explains the somewhat confusing timeline - http://www.filmbuffonline.com/FBOLNewsreel/wordpress/2011/05/02/a-marvel-cinematic-universe-timeline/

Awesome site. Although they shouldn't be relying on cut scenes from TIH as canon.

 

[Marvel Spider]

I agree on how they should bring TIH characters into it. I think General Ross would make the most sense. I would also like to see Betty, but I don't want things to become over crammed.

 

[wobbly]

Awesome site. Although they shouldn't be relying on cut scenes from TIH as canon.

They also used a bit from the novelisations. At the moment it's a great attempt to line everything up. The only thing I think they may have got wrong was the date for Thor's arrival: I figure it should have been before or even the same night as Tony's birthday party as Fury mentions trouble in South West the next day. Having said that there is then a day or two gap for Coulson to arrive but Thor's adventures on Earth seem to happen over a just a couple of days.

Anyways, the site does accept at the end of the article that their estimates are subject to change by anything that might follow (so the Hulk releasing Cap from the ice won't be counted once Cap is out and we see how that does go down). As they say, the films are the final authority at the end of the day.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I'm guessing the reason why we arent seeing any TIH characters is because the movie itself wasnt a huge hit. As a consolation I'm pretty sure Marvel will continue to use the Hulk (maybe even Blonsky) in their Avengers series, even if the Hulk franchise dosent continue.

 

[Spider-Vader]

I think Ross & maybe Abomination should have cameos. I'd be disappointed if Marvel opted to forget that movie just because it wasn't a huge hit. The movie got a great fan reaction & that should warrant a friggin' reference.

 

[MadVillainy]

Im still surprised we havent heard anything about Thunderbolt Ross. If Hulk is being "contained" as a hero Im sure he would have his doubts more than anyone as he's been chasing Hulk down for years

 

[the dmg]

Awesome site. Although they shouldn't be relying on cut scenes from TIH as canon.

They aren't. They are using it for now until CA and Avengers state otherwise.

 

[Herolee10]

What's interesting is that the director of TIH said that IF TIH didn't get a sequel, the ending for the film regarding Banner being in the cabin would have implied that the Hulk would become a menace in the Avengers, whereas if they had gotten a sequel, it would have been the other way around.

Given the fact that we have information saying that the hulk will be more hero than menace in the film, well it's just interesting to see as to how it all came down.

But like I said, aside from its box office performance, I think another problem the film has is the fact that in terms of timeline chronology, it was released too soon. Imho, TIH should have been released in the same year that Iron Man 2 was.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I fear Feige's galaxy swallowing ego will prevent a real link.

 

[Doc Samson]

Im still surprised we havent heard anything about Thunderbolt Ross. If Hulk is being "contained" as a hero Im sure he would have his doubts more than anyone as he's been chasing Hulk down for years

Agreed, if there were any supporting characters from TIH in Avengers, it should most certainly be him.

 

[Quasimod0]

hope they replace tim blake nelson if they do the leader

 

[Wafflehat]

The leader is a good example as to why i wouldnt want them to igrore TIH. They had such good ties to the rest of the MCU already. They tied the Hulk and Blonsky to the super soldier programme, they set up the leader, Iron Man etc. It would just be a huge waste. More than anything though, it was a great movie, for comic fans at least. I might not be the best Hulk movie they couldve made, but that can be rectified in sequels and the Avengers. Its was, if nothing more, an awesome starting point for Hulk in this universe