Iron Man 2 Tim Robbins is Howard Stark, Hawkeye & Black Widow are in?

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I meant the other two.. Purple Arrow and the russian chick

 

[YJ1]

If Tim Robbins makes an appearance in any Marvel movie, I'll be very pleased about it.

I'll tolerate him and his anti-American sniveling only because it IS a Marvel movie. He's a fine actor but he's such an A-hole away from the set.

 

[bunk]

Most actors are.

 

[FrostBite]

If Black Widow / Hawkeye are in this film, I don't want to see Giant Man/Ant-man or Wasp anywhere near the Avengers. Just... too many characters.

Actually now that I think about it, I think I'd like the Avengers more without Pym and Janet.

Yeah, I said it.

 

[Chewy]

 

[kedrell]

^So he liked spousal abuse in the 616 as well.

 

[kedrell]

If Black Widow / Hawkeye are in this film, I don't want to see Giant Man/Ant-man or Wasp anywhere near the Avengers. Just... too many characters.

Actually now that I think about it, I think I'd like the Avengers more without Pym and Janet.

Yeah, I said it.

Fair enough. But for my money, it just wouldn't seem right to leave them out. Their both founding members for chrissakes. HE & BW aren't.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Hmmm...does this mean we won't have the Pyms in Avengers (as members that is)? I doubt we can have 7 members of the Avengers, and I did think setting up the two that won't have films to themselves first was a good idea. However, I pictured the Pyms in that capacity. Not Hawkeye and Widow. Plus, we'll get the lamer ultimizations in all likely hood of them. I can easily see the Pym's being cut out now.

Robbins as Howard Stark works for me

I hope we get maybe a merge of the ultimate looks for Widow and Hawkeye with their 616 personalities. Less cliches, more characters

 

[Chewy]

Hmmm...does this mean we won't have the Pyms in Avengers (as members that is)? I doubt we can have 7 members of the Avengers, and I did think setting up the two that won't have films to themselves first was a good idea. However, I pictured the Pyms in that capacity. Not Hawkeye and Widow. Plus, we'll get the lamer ultimizations in all likely hood of them. I can easily see the Pym's being cut out now.

Why not? That Ultimate Avengers DTV cartoon flick managed the exact same roster, minus Hawkeye. Sure, it was bad, but it was a 90-ish minute animated kid's flick. Here, they're going to have professional writers and all of the stars and directors of the solo flicks to bounce ideas off of.

I've always thought we'd be getting Widow/Hawkeye in some semblence of their Ultimate personas in Avengers, so this doesn't change what the roster would be, at least in my mind.

 

[FrostBite]

Fair enough. But for my money, it just wouldn't seem right to leave them out. Their both founding members for chrissakes. HE & BW aren't.

True, but if you are going to put them in, I'd prefer some lead in, rather than slap them in. Wouldn't do them justice.

Why not? That Ultimate Avengers DTV cartoon flick managed the exact same roster, minus Hawkeye. Sure, it was bad, but it was a 90-ish minute animated kid's flick. Here, they're going to have professional writers and all of the stars and directors of the solo flicks to bounce ideas off of.

I've always thought we'd be getting Widow/Hawkeye in some semblence of their Ultimate personas in Avengers, so this doesn't change what the roster would be, at least in my mind.

I thought that cartoon was awesome... then again, I am a Hulk fan, and Hulk kind of stole the show, so no wonder I am happy .

Still, one difference. It was a cartoon. A cartoon can fit in 7 super beings without worrying about budget, screen-time, or plot.

A live action movie has much more money involved for special effects for each person and salaries to be paid for two more characters.

I still say, leave the Pyms out, keep their money, concentrate on the other characters. They already have to create one CGI character, and one CGI robot suit mixed with whatever the global threat will have to be, as well as paying for the salaries of all these big actors. Marvel, in my opinion, is already really pushing it.

 

[Chewy]

But Hawkeye and Black Widow are the cheapest characters to pull off, so I still don't see how their addition would change whether the Pyms are in or not.

Heck, let's leave out Hulk. Or Thor. THOSE are the expensive characters, right? Except they are and always have been important characters, and leaving them out is doing a major disservice to their fans.

Leaving out the Pyms would be like leaving the Martian Manhunter out of a Justice League movie. Sure, no one who hasn't read comic books knows who he is, but he is vital to not only the story but the entire dynamic of the team.

 

[FrostBite]

But Hawkeye and Black Widow are the cheapest characters to pull off, so I still don't see how their addition would change whether the Pyms are in or not.

Heck, let's leave out Hulk. Or Thor. THOSE are the expensive characters, right? Except they are and always have been important characters, and leaving them out is doing a major disservice to their fans.

Leaving out the Pyms would be like leaving the Martian Manhunter out of a Justice League movie. Sure, no one who hasn't read comic books knows who he is, but he is vital to not only the story but the entire dynamic of the team.

I am not saying I wouldn't like to see them pull off the Pyms. I am saying I'd prefer them not in at this point. Heck, Avengers will probably get a sequel at some point.

I agree, they are founding members, and probably should be there. I realize it'd be a major disservice to their fans. I always expected them to be in and not Hawkeye or BW. But since Marvel seems intent on wedging in the latter... I say leave them out.

Unless Hawkeye and BW are reduced to "Body-gaurd-I-don't-really-do-anything" status... in which case would be a major disservice to their fans.

Some fans, of some character, are bound to get screwed over here. Trust me, as a Hulk fan I see it coming for ol' Green Skin. He may be in, but he'll probably do close to nothing except maybe one mindless rampage close to the end.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Hawkeye and Widow may be CHEAP to pull off, but you have to flesh these characters out still. Focusing on just 7 heroes, not counting Fury or the villains and other supporting characters, is hard. Yes, I am aware that not all the characters are going to be evenly developed. I expect Cap to be the most in Avengers. But, it is still 7 characters you need to focus on. I don't see them trying to use that many heroes in the same movie in a first outing. I think it is too much. We may get the Pyms in a supporting capacity, but not as actual members. I don't see them using 7 members.

I'd rather have the Pyms than Widow or Hawkeye personally, but I understand the decision if they do this.

 

[Congo Jack]

This might sound like a strange shout, but howsabout Vince Vaughn for Clint? Bear in mind that it's a Jon Favreau movie.

 

[FrostBite]

Hawkeye and Widow may be CHEAP to pull off, but you have to flesh these characters out still. Focusing on just 7 heroes, not counting Fury or the villains and other supporting characters, is hard. Yes, I am aware that not all the characters are going to be evenly developed. I expect Cap to be the most in Avengers. But, it is still 7 characters you need to focus on. I don't see them trying to use that many heroes in the same movie in a first outing. I think it is too much. We may get the Pyms in a supporting capacity, but not as actual members. I don't see them using 7 members.

I'd rather have the Pyms than Widow or Hawkeye personally, but I understand the decision if they do this.

Agree with this post 100%. It'd have to be one heck of a long movie to flesh out that many people.

And let's not forget.... Zak Penn was the last in talks for the Avengers. Only this time I doubt Ed Norton will be around to clean up his script.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Agree with this post 100%. It'd have to be one heck of a long movie to flesh out that many people.

And let's not forget.... Zak Penn was the last in talks for the Avengers. Only this time I doubt Ed Norton will be around to clean up his script.

Yeah, Penn is not exactly character development man. Avengers is still a while away, and I think Penn will at least provide a decent template of when action scenes take place, while someone polishes the dialogue/character scenes.

This movie would have to be TDK length at least to flesh out that many characters, and some would still get short changed. Not gonna happen. We can add to the roster in Avengers 2, especially if we get someone like Ultron as a singular threat. But for a first outing, 7 is too many. 5 is the right number for now.

 

[TheVileOne]

It's interesting if it comes to fruition. Hawkeye and Black Widow are actually both important characters and made I think their first appearances in Iron Man comics when they were both criminals.

If they go with the ultimate versions, eh we'll see. They definitely didn't really use ultimate Tony Stark.

I was kind of hoping if they used Howard Stark, it would be the person who played him in the photographs in the first movie . But I guess Tim Robbins works.

Just hope Iron Man 2 doesn't get too crowded since it will be the first true blue Marvel Studios flick since Incredible Hulk.

 

[Congo Jack]

This might sound like a strange shout, but howsabout Vince Vaughn for Clint? Bear in mind that it's a Jon Favreau movie.

Wow, no. Just watched THE BREAK-UP (Favreau is hilarious in that btw) with this in mind, and Vaughn is so completely wrong that I might just be a little bit insane. His co-star Cole Hauser might be good for Hawkeye though.

If they go with the ultimate versions, eh we'll see. They definitely didn't really use ultimate Tony Stark.

Mark Millar disagrees with you. But he is his own biggest pimp.

I really hope they don't go with Ultimate Black Widow [BLACKOUT]because of her revelation as the killer of Hawkeye's wife and children and ultimate betrayal of Tony and the Ultimates. Great revelation, but it'd be a shame to lose 616 Black Widow.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Chewy]

They can go with Ultimate Widow and just have her

Spoiler

not kill Hawkeye's family

and they can go with Ultimate Hawkeye and just have him

Spoiler

not have a family

 

[Spider-Fan]

I'm starting to get concerned IM2 is becoming more an Avengers prequel than an Iron Man movie. I mean, setting up Avenger is fine and all, but this is still the Iron Man franchise. It's supposed to be about him.

 

[TheVileOne]

Wow, no. Just watched THE BREAK-UP (Favreau is hilarious in that btw) with this in mind, and Vaughn is so completely wrong that I might just be a little bit insane. His co-star Cole Hauser might be good for Hawkeye though.


Mark Millar disagrees with you. But he is his own biggest pimp.

I really hope they don't go with Ultimate Black Widow [BLACKOUT]because of her revelation as the killer of Hawkeye's wife and children and ultimate betrayal of Tony and the Ultimates. Great revelation, but it'd be a shame to lose 616 Black Widow.[/BLACKOUT]

Mark Millar also wrote, "Hulk not a sissyboy, Hulk straight!"

Cole Hauser as Hawkeye!

Iron Man: "I'm taking you to jail today Hawkeye."

Hawkeye: "For what? Being awesome?"

 

[Congo Jack]

Mark Millar also wrote, "Hulk not a sissyboy, Hulk straight!"

I do not like Mark Millar's Ultimate Banner or Hulk at all. Thought he did a good job with Tony though.

Cole Hauser as Hawkeye!

Iron Man: "I'm taking you to jail today Hawkeye."

Hawkeye: "For what? Being awesome?"

That sounds like something Hawkeye could say.

I love how in that movie Hauser pretty much played Trent from SWINGERS for the MTV generation.

 

[Goodfellas]

I feel like they are focusing way to much on a future Avengers movie instead of an Iron Man movie

 

[Spider-Vader]

I hope this is true, I'd love to see Hawkeye.

Maybe Hawkeye helps Iron Man & War Machine some time in the movie. If Hawkeye & Black Widow are in this, then that's all of the Avengers stuff I want.

If Crimson Dynamo is the main villain, then it'd make more sense for Black Widow to be in the film because maybe she knows alot about Dynamo.

 

[SuperKoala]

if crimson dynamo is the villian I'll ship a solid gold brick