Too Fat to be Executed. Awww....

[Addendum]

All of the above

 

[Carcharodon]

All of the above

So you admit to the contradiction?

 

[Addendum]

It has no effect on my life, so if there is one, there is one.

 

[Carcharodon]

There you go. THAT's apathy.

 

[bullets]

How about we send the guy to Fat Camp, make him feel all positive and stuff for losing weight and then execute him....?

He could also write a book about it , Keeping carbs low ...on Death Row.

 

[hammy]

Making sure he never perpetrates the crime again is justice. It's balance.

Where the hell do you get that? That's not justice.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Where the hell do you get that? That's not justice.

You're right. Torturing him is justice

 

[Addendum]

His getting raped whilst in the shower, the killed, is justice

 

[Schlosser85]

He forfeiting his life in exchange for the life he took from an innocent victim of his own free will, is justice. It is he losing exactly what he took from someone else, except he won't have to be tortured first like the victims were. What could be more fair and just than that?

 

[Spidey-Bat]

He forfeiting his life in exchange for the life he took from an innocent victim of his own free will, is justice.

So an it's "eye for an eye"? Yes, let's base our laws off of ancient ones used by civilizations thousands of years ago. Maybe they'll work this time?

It is he losing exactly what he took from someone else, except he won't have to be tortured first like the victims were. What could be more fair and just than that?

It sounds like revenge.

 

[Schlosser85]

So an it's "eye for an eye"?

Basically.

Yes, let's base our laws off of ancient ones used by civilizations thousands of years ago.

If it's not broken, don't fix it.

Maybe they'll work this time?

When did they not work before?

It sounds like revenge.

He took something from someone, so he gives it up in return. It's fair and it's equal, except his victims died far more painfully and degradingly than he will ever have to.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

If it's not broken, don't fix it.

When did they not work before?

Except it is broken, more so than the system we have today. If it worked back then, people would have stopped killing but they didn't.

He took something from someone, so he gives it up in return. It's fair and it's equal, except his victims died far more painfully and degradingly than he will ever have to.

It's not as if he's giving his life to resurrect the one he took. Killing him does nothing but satisfy people's desire for revenge which is selfish and unjust.

 

[Addendum]

Killing him does nothing but satisfy people's desire for revenge which is selfish and unjust.

And I see nothing wrong with that

 

[chaseter]

Except it is broken, more so than the system we have today. If it worked back then, people would have stopped killing but they didn't.


It's not as if he's giving his life to resurrect the one he took. Killing him does nothing but satisfy people's desire for revenge which is selfish and unjust.

That there is witch talk. KILL HIM

 

[Spidey-Bat]

And I see nothing wrong with that

You're apathetic. Who cares what you think?

That there is witch talk. KILL HIM

I'm actually a shaman.

 

[Schlosser85]

Except it is broken, more so than the system we have today. If it worked back then, people would have stopped killing but they didn't.

There is no 100% elimination of murders. That's not what it's about. It's about crime and fitting and equivalent punishment.

It's not as if he's giving his life to resurrect the one he took.

No, he's giving his life because he took someone else's. The punishment fitting the crime. He giving the same as what he took from someone else. The only thing unfair about it is how much more the victim who did nothing to bring it on themselves had to suffer than the legally tried, convicted, and humanely executed murderer.

Killing him does nothing but satisfy people's desire for revenge which is selfish and unjust.

It answers a crime with the equivalent punishment. It shows murderers, the loved ones left by their victims, and society in general, that there are serious consequences for serious crimes. There is nothing unjust about a punishment that is equal to the crime committed. In fact, in my opinion, allowing him to go on living while he stole the life of an innocent victim is unjust.

 

[BlackLantern]

Society today is so disconnected and desensitized that we don't really understand punishment...that being said, as I support the death penalty....I say we go back to public hanging....

you grab one of these 16-17 year olds who are in and out of juvie all the time and show them someone dying at the end of the rope, they'll probably straighten out...

People need an object lesson

 

[Addendum]

I'm actually a shaman.

 

[Goshdarn Batman]

Society today is so disconnected and desensitized that we don't really understand punishment...that being said, as I support the death penalty....I say we go back to public hanging....

you grab one of these 16-17 year olds who are in and out of juvie all the time and show them someone dying at the end of the rope, they'll probably straighten out...

People need an object lesson

Yeah, that would help.. Maybe the guillotine? Or even better; sharia laws.

 

[BlackLantern]

nope...just hanging....the current system isn't working....the age of people committing crimes gets younger younger, prisons are having to release some prisoners early to make room for more prisoners....

 

[Spidey-Bat]

There is no 100% elimination of murders. That's not what it's about. It's about crime and fitting and equivalent punishment.

i.e. revenge

No, he's giving his life because he took someone else's. The punishment fitting the crime. He giving the same as what he took from someone else. The only thing unfair about it is how much more the victim who did nothing to bring it on themselves had to suffer than the legally tried, convicted, and humanely executed murderer.

Why does this "eye for an eye" apply only to murder? If someone steals from another, should the victim steal from them? What about rape? Should the criminal be raped as well? Applying this barbaric "eye for an eye" idea makes no sense because people only apply it to murder and nothing else. If it were a just punishment, it would be applied to all crimes.

It answers a crime with the equivalent punishment. It shows murderers, the loved ones left by their victims, and society in general, that there are serious consequences for serious crimes. There is nothing unjust about a punishment that is equal to the crime committed.

Many killers know the punishments but still kill anyway because they think they are smart enough to not get caught. It doesn't make an example or serve as a deterrent.

In fact, in my opinion, allowing him to go on living while he stole the life of an innocent victim is unjust.

Life without parole isn't living.

 

[Schlosser85]

i.e. revenge

I see we fundamentally disagree on what constitutes justice vs. revenge.

Why does this "eye for an eye" apply only to murder? If someone steals from another, should the victim steal from them? What about rape? Should the criminal be raped as well? Applying this barbaric "eye for an eye" idea makes no sense because people only apply it to murder and nothing else. If it were a just punishment, it would be applied to all crimes.

Because any reasonable person can tell the difference in appropriate levels of punishment between theft, rape, and murder.

Many killers know the punishments but still kill anyway because they think they are smart enough to not get caught. It doesn't make an example or serve as a deterrent.

As I said earlier, the death penalty is actually 100% effective at deterring the criminal in question from ever committing another crime again.

 

[04nbod]

Ever heard of an eye for an eye?

That was the Old Testament. Christ came with a new covenant in which he said if someone slaps you on the right cheek let him slap you on the left. this is where the 'turn the other cheek' expression comes from. If you follow the teachings of jesus then the Death Penalty is not an option.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Because any reasonable person can tell the difference in appropriate levels of punishment between theft, rape, and murder.

If it can't be practiced for all crimes, then it is not an appropriate punishment for any crime. Our current system weighs crimes differently. Something as simple and barbaric as "eye for an eye" doesn't.

As I said earlier, the death penalty is actually 100% effective at deterring the criminal in question from ever committing another crime again.

100% effective? I'm gonna call ******** on that.

 

[BlackLantern]

Well if the person is executed they aren't committing any other crimes....I believe that's what he means