Sequels Transformers Reboot Speculation Thread

[MessiahDecoy123]

Should they reboot?

What stories and series should the reboot be based on if it happens?

Who should direct?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

No matter if we want it or not, a reboot isn't happening, so IMO it's pointless to debate it.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Why do you say that?

TF5 is doing poorly at the box office.

It could make only 60% of what the last movie made, domestic and worldwide.

 

[InCali]

Should they reboot?

What stories and series should the reboot be based on if it happens?

Who should direct?

Replace the "re" with "Give the" and that's what they should do.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Why do you say that?

TF5 is doing poorly at the box office.

It could make only 60% of what the last movie made, domestic and worldwide.

Because it will still make a lot of money world wide.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Because it will still make a lot of money world wide.

The budget is still sky high though so if the box office revenue is less than 800 m worldwide, it could end up in similar situation as Amazing Spider-man 2.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

They have multiple spin offs planned, I doubt they will just drop them because TLK under performs.

TASM2 was different in that the universe had already been re-booted. I think it's more likely Paramount will want a new director/creative force for these movies rather than a full on re-boot.

 

[CyclopsSummers]

Maybe it could be improved. And some robots must be more resembled to originals


Some autobots in franchise are OK

Optimus and Jazz: they look like most originals
Bee: little yellow warrior
Ironhide: weapon specialist
Ratchet: medic autobot
Arcee: female autobot
Jetfire: former decepticon becoming autobot
Que Wheeljack: scientist and inventor
Sentinel: predecessor autobot's leader
Drift: samourai-like with 2 blades
Hound: war specialist
Hot rod: Bee's partner

Some autobots are nothing to see with originals version

Jolt
Twins
Dino

Some we dont recognize

Sideswipe
Crosshairs

Wreckers are based correctly on their originals version but Dinobots are big tall warriors whereas in original story they arent

 

[Jochimus]

Reboot or sequel, I still think the franchise needs a massive housecleaning from the director's chair on down (yeah, I know what Bay's been saying; we'll see) if there's to be any hope of turning the situation around; they can't rely on life support---er, sorry, worldwide forever. As for all those grand plans for spinoffs and whatever, toss'em in a salvage pile and cannibalize as needed or wanted or whenever Paramount and Hasbro go into hissies about all that time and effort and money being wasted. Heck, it wouldn't even be the first time Paramount's recycled scrapped and unused ideas to keep a franchise going.

I think they can still turn things around with the franchise they've got, but they'll have to rely on the brand's own Little Yellow B^$+^rd to do it: have a new director and writer do TF6 essentially as less a sequel to the preceding TF films and more a follow-up to the Bumblebee Movie set many years later, in the "present". Oh, and I think it'd also be a good idea, FOR ONCE, to throttle back on the Ancient Mystical Space Whatsits and Great Transformer Moments In World History, just for freshness' sake.

 

[Golgo-13]

If there is one movie franchise that needs a reboot it's surely this one.

 

[rayc1971]

reboot give me a beast wars film with no humans in it at all

 

[Asr]

Every live-action TF movie has been a steaming pile of ****, and the only thing good about them is the quality of the CGI. (I've seen them all except for TLK.)

TF needs to stick to being animated. Transformers Prime was surprisingly awesome despite how shakily it started and is probably my favorite TF series now, too bad it ended because I could've kept watching that easily. Robots in Disguise is a little too kiddie for me but even then it has strong plots and surprisingly good action, and I like the variety of bots that it uses.

 

[TheVileOne]

I want a reboot from the ground up. I want actual characterizations for the robots, and I want better designs as well.

The designs for the robots have never been good, and I have never been able to accept them.

And you know what, it's not hard to update these characters and make them look aesthetically pleasing. Hasbro and Takara do it on a regular basis. IDW does. Full Moon did a fantastic job with it. They updated and modernized all the classic characters, and they didn't look like rat-**** garbage. They looked cool and badass.

He still looks like Grimlock! Don't tell me you wouldn't want to see something like that done in live-action form.

 

[Lord]

I actualy liked the designs. Grimlock looks realy badass in his dinossaur form. Even though TF 4 and 5 were worse than 1 and 3, they vastly improved the robot designs in order to make them more aestheticaly pleasing and easier to understand in action scenes.

As for a reboot, it's doubtful for now. They're putting this new Cinematic universe in full motion. The only way i see this failing is if TF 5 slightly disappoints in the box office department and the Bumblebee spin-off+TF 6 keep facing bigger diminishing returns. But if the franchise is able to maintain near the Billion mark, a reboot's not gonna happen for a long while.

 

[TheVileOne]

Transformers 5 is the lowest opening ever for the franchise.

Where is this cinematic universe? Where are all the other Hasbro movies? The one other Hasbro movie is Jem and the Holograms. GI Joe is dead, they are doing nothing with it. Paramount said no to DJ Caruso.

Where's Micronauts? Where's MASK? Where are all these cinematic universe movies? I don't see anything happening. They got one movie lined up. Bumblebee, and that's it.

It's hard to even get excited if one of your favorite characters shows up in Transformers because Bay just then drools on it and finds a way to ruin it.

Oh wow, Hot Rod's in a Transformers movie? The heir apparent to Optimus Prime? The bot who would be Rodimus Prime? Cool, what's he up to. Oh, he's an Autobot with a French accent who doesn't actually know how to speak ****ing French!

MICHAEL BAY LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!

Bay has no respect or reverence for these characters and Transformers and he never has.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The international numbers are going save TLK. As I said previously, I don't see a reboot happening any time soon.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

It's falling way short of The Amazing Spider-man 2 globally.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Plus a reboot equals a brand new line of toys and merchandise which is where Hasbro makes most of their money.

 

[TheVileOne]

International numbers won't save it.

 

[Abudefduf]

reboot give me a beast wars film with no humans in it at all

Oh man, if only. I loved BW as a kid, so much that I still have almost all my old action figures. Don't judge me.

(Un)fortunately, classic Transformers (if you want to call Bay's creations that) are still very profitable so why should Universal waste any of their money on a TF spin-off based on such a silly premise? But hey, you never know.

EDIT: Uh... I meant Paramount, not Universal.

 

[Lord]

Transformers 5 is the lowest opening ever for the franchise.

Where is this cinematic universe? Where are all the other Hasbro movies? The one other Hasbro movie is Jem and the Holograms. GI Joe is dead, they are doing nothing with it. Paramount said no to DJ Caruso.

Where's Micronauts? Where's MASK? Where are all these cinematic universe movies? I don't see anything happening. They got one movie lined up. Bumblebee, and that's it.

Wasn't even thinking about those, only about Bumblebee and other Transformers spin-offs. They're still on time to reboot sure, but low quality could still push these films towards low box office numbers. What they need is a change in Direction, which kind of seems what Bumblebee is going to be. Not saying it's gonna be great (Seems to have a good director but a bad screenwriter) but a bad reboot could be even worse for the box-office and kill this franchise since it would also alienate those who still enjoy this film.

Paramount should have just changed director for TF 4 or rebooted after Dark of the Moon. For all his problems, in least Bay seemed passionate while making those first 3 films. They even felt like events. In the past 2 films he just seems to have been going on automatic.

So yeah, change in Direction. That's the only thing i think can save this franchise. That's why i think if Bumblebee is just as bad as TF 5 it's longevity is going to be in big trouble.

 

[TheVileOne]

Once again, ground up reboot. Complete redesign of all Autobots and Decepticons. Let them actually look like cool, badass robots this time. Let them look aesthetically pleasing.

Let the Autobots have personalities and characters of their own. Give them actual character arcs and subplots.

What do I mean by that? Look at Rocket in the Guardians films. He's a CG creation, but he's a character with actual plot agency and emotions. He changes over the course of both films. He interacts with the other characters.

A lot of the robots don't even really interact with the humans in these movies. There's just a bunch of loud cacophony and the robots are goofing off saying dumb one-liners. All the reactions and action are then centered on the humans.

 

[Jochimus]

Once again, ground up reboot. Complete redesign of all Autobots and Decepticons. Let them actually look like cool, badass robots this time. Let them look aesthetically pleasing.

Not that I give a crap at this point as to whether a G1-flavored reboot ever comes into being, but I do rather like what Nizzi's been doing with Prime 1 Studio's line of (exorbitantly-expensive) G1 statues:

Or even the cancelled "Transformers Universe" MMORPG:

Something along either of these lines, with completely updated alt-modes and paint jobs, I wouldn't have a problem with.

 

[elgaz]

I was a Transformers obsessive as a kid in the 80s. Had virtually every toy, watched every show, saw the Movie about 20 times. All G1 stuff of course, as I got older and life took over I lost track of the subsequent iterations they did.

When I heard they were finally making a Transformers live action movie back in circa 2005, I got very excited. I felt a bit like a kid again.

12 years on and that excitement has been replaced by something occasioning dread every time a new TF film comes out. I feel like it's gone from something passable (in the form of the first film) to being a complete mess.

Does it need rebooted? A large and emphatic 'YES!' from me.

Bay has gone too far down the rabbit hole to repair the issues with this franchise. Overcomplicated robot designs. Poor acting. Dubious plotlines. Plot revisions which make no sense. No continuity. Over-reliance on action and explosions at the cost of characterisation. Ridiculous humour; twins, robots with cigars, etc. Each film is basically the same as the last. Like the Fast and Furious, it's basically become this massive summer spectacle which has little substance behind it anymore.

A clean slate is needed.

What I'd do?

• Change the tone completely; make it more serious. It doesn't have to be devoid of humour, but let's get rid of the farce of 2 mini robots slapping each other about and throwing street slang, and make it intelligent humour.
• Simplify the convoluted robot designs. You couldn't even identify some of the robots in certain fast moving action scenes because their over-detailed designs send too much info to our eyes to process.
• Move away from Bay's reliance on titillation and casting models, and bring in character actors with gravitas. Less Megan Fox, more Anthony Hopkins.
• Look back to the G1 background to the Transformers and use it to craft a film universe that's more epic in scope. Why even start the film in the present day? Tell the story of Primus and Unicron as two Gods battling it out in a time before the universe even existed, jumping through dimensions before becoming entombed in asteroids and eventually shaping them into Cybertron and Unicron's planet body. Let them become myths to the Transformers thousands of years later, just as many of us question if God was ever real. It's an epic tale of good/evil.

 

[TheVileOne]

Not that I give a crap at this point as to whether a G1-flavored reboot ever comes into being, but I do rather like what Nizzi's been doing with Prime 1 Studio's line of (exorbitantly-expensive) G1 statues:

Or even the cancelled "Transformers Universe" MMORPG:

Something along either of these lines, with completely updated alt-modes and paint jobs, I wouldn't have a problem with.

That version of Prime is a million times better than the movies.