Perhaps we might wnat wait on that call till the movie is out
I've been following this movie more closely than any other, scrutinizing every detail even before Micheal Bay was hired. If Micheal Bay was elevating the source material instead of dumbing it down it would be obvious at this point.
Your stretching here buddy... I love TF: THe Movie but the reason they killed off so many characters was so they could sell more toys. TF has and always will be driven by toys.
Your thinking from Hasbro's stand point, not the people who crafted the stories and characters. Like I said there was no reason to put the Twilight Zone type social commentary in the stories and characters. They could've easily gone the Power Ranger/Pokemon route and avoided the socio-political commentary.
I want respect your opinion, however you realize your watching a cartoon show made for kids... A rather hokey cartoon show, I mean perhaps you can show me some clips or cite some episodes since... I have the whole TF Series on Tape... If you did that for me, perhaps I'd be able to believe you... So again it's out there, provide an episode of some sort, some clips... Something to back this up.
Yes you can focus on the silliest aspects of Transformers to say it's completely disposable but that would be judging something based on a partial observation.
I don't have the time to go into each episode and interpret the symbolism or social commentary. The early episodes that took place on Earth had socio-political subtext (Animal Farm and War of the Worlds for children). The later episodes that took place on Cybertron had more existential subtext (Twilight Zone and Outer Limits for children).
Here's a list of episodes from season 3, if you don't find any twilight zone type of subtext exploring the human condition then you should stop watching sci-fi all together.
Five Faces of Darkness (Part 1)
The Killing Jar
Chaos
Dark Awakening
Starscream's Ghost
Forever Is a Long Time Coming
Madman's Paradise
Carnage In C-Minor
Fight or Flee
Webworld
Ghost In the Machine
The Dweller In the Depths
Nightmare Planet
The Ultimate Weapon
The Quintesson Journal
The Big Broadcast of 2006
Only Human
Grimlock's New Brain
Money Is Everything
Call of the Primitives
http://www.decepticon-matrix.com/episodeguide.html#s3
It's rather basic though, what I mean by this is how is Bay wrong for this project? All Optimus has to do is fight evil Decepticons use a bad ass tone and toss out cheesy lines like that, and you have the same depth as the cartoon show, so what I mean is... I don't get how you guys can insult Bay for what is essentially a faithful adaption, or what appears to be... The only way it won't be faithful... Is if it didn't have evil vs. good robots, and it was just about humans fighting robots but it isn't. Then again I still have to see the movie but there hasn't been anything for me to believe what your saying.
That's like saying Schumacher's Batman movies are faithful because Batman is still the good guy fighting insane bad guys in Gotham.
I'm not surprised that people who think Batman is silly have low standards for a Batman movie. What bothers me is how a person like that gets creative control of the franchise. Give me a director who understands and appreciates the source material and is dedicated to showing the world why the characters/concepts resonated with life-long fans in the first place. Micheal Bay resents the source material and the fans. It's obvious he's the wrong person to adapt the material even if he can "wow" the lowest common denominator with loud and flashy action scenes. There is still wasted potential that cheats the audience and fans..
I hate to break this to you buddy, but ORson Welles became pretty pathetic toward the end of his life. He had spent all his money on his failed projects so he took any job that'd pay him. Don't get me wrong he did an awesome job and I love Citizen Kane, Mr. Arkadin, and Touch of Evil... But the truth of the matter is your point here holds no weight since he was a broke bastard that'd probably be the narrator in a porno if it was paying well.
My point absolutely holds weight.
If anything the claim that Orson Welles did Transformers out of greed is baseless. Maybe you're confusing him with Micheal Bay.
"rosebud" the sled could easily be replaced with "rosebud" the distant G1 Transformers memory. This guy did the infamous War of the Worlds radio broadcast that caused mass hysteria that taught people they shouldn't believe everything they see and hear. I wouldn't be surprised if he did ghost writing for Transformers.
You realize that Transformers is pretty standard stuff? There's nothing ground breaking in it. Most of what you cite is just filler, for fights, every TF episode I saw the main entree was the fights. However maybe it's selective memory... point out an episode and I'll go watch it and maybe my opinion will change. Look all of this was in the background, it wasn' the focus, just like it will be in the movie. I don't get why your citing this as a negative, since there's been nothing that saying that this stuff isn't in the movie.
Well the arbitrary/wholesale changes to characters/concepts/themes and Bay's attitude toward G1 purist/source material is a bad sign.
We've seen this before with GINO, Batman and Robin, CINO, and LXG.
The writing is on the wall.
Harry Potter is a simple story coming of age story set to a backdrop of magic. Just like Transformers is a simple good vs. evil story set against a sci-fi backdrop, what's important is the good vs. evil struggle the rest is rather unimportant.
"the rest is unimportant"? Then why even call it Transformers?
Why not Go bots or Bay's Generic Giant Robot Fights?
Just look at the intro it cites exactly what I've been saying
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhCtVq5iIa0
Transformers is about a battle against evil that is the focus wtih huge spectacular fights. Now I'm watching this episode on youtube, a typical TF episode not one thing you said is in it... of course I'm only 2 minutes in so maybe I'll eat my words...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3bM4p0ikkI&mode=related&search=
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You don't have to watch entire episodes. Just go to this site and read the episode synopsis for each season to see that Bay missed the point just like he did with Pearl Harbor.
http://www.decepticon-matrix.com/episodeguide.html
If you still don't see the wasted potential read some well regarded TF comic book stories that make Bayformers look like an expensive ALF episode.