Ultimate Comics Thread

[sabetoonth]

I thought Cash was meant as an Ultimate Rage?

 

[Drz]

I'd say Cash was Millar's Joe Fixit.

 

[sabetoonth]

I remember months and months ago i had a thread somewhere for peoples ideas to ultimize characters

 

[Aztec]

1) Rather, I addressed you as would I anyone who, in a literary discussion, was, quite frankly, wrong.

2) But since you deem it a particular area worth criticism, why not elaborate further and tell us the better way Millar should have done it? Which characters should he have Ultimized instead of "re-treading?" Why?

1) I wasn't aware that my opinion of a graphic novel could be "wrong". Perhaps you believe you have some super power to determine that? Maybe that explains your faux literary elitism you continue to espouse on here?

2) I believe I have explained why I don't like re-tread characters. It's uncreative and boring IMHO. I know Millar has the talent and creativity to do something new and different (he demonstrated that in The Ultimates) and instead he's just trying to milk the same characters ("legacy" or not) for all they're worth. Based on the first arc it seems that he believes he can simply re-tread past characters and give them new "bad-boy" attitudes, and that is supposed to be enough to distinguish them from prior Ultimate incarnations of the characters. For me personally it is not.

I would have preferred if he spent time making ultimate versions of other Marvel characters that we haven't seen in the Ultimate Marvel universe yet. IMHO he didn't do that in the first arc much at all. The only character he attempted to do this to was Red Skull; and I felt Skull's path to his end goal was rather incoherent and unbelievable.

There. I've stated my opinion FWIW. If you don't like it then I'm sorry but that's what it is. I am now done with this thread because I've said what I wanted to say twice already.

 

[Drz]

Well the thing is while each arch is 6 issues only, this is a 24-issue event that gets all tied down. the first two arcs are just small meals and 3rd Arc begins the big meal that concludes in the 4th book. This is a book about Nick Fury getting his job back with Black Widow, Gregory Stark, Hawkeye and War Machine being there in the main story. The 2nd book is well recommended if you wanna see Millar writing some Punisher. It also introduces demons (and the concept of Heaven) to the Ultimate Universe, but sadly that was barely touched upon, but Ghost Rider is a demonic being in the story. Not a mutant.

Anyhow here's Ultimate Avengers 3 #2 preview! Poor Bruce. Even when he's a clone. Millar still won't stop showing what a loser he is.

 

[kguillou]

I love how Millar's Cap is such a *****e.

 

[El Bastardo]

1) I wasn't aware that my opinion of a graphic novel could be "wrong". Perhaps you believe you have some super power to determine that? Maybe that explains your faux literary elitism you continue to espouse on here?

There is a difference between stating an opinion, which you've done, and being incorrect about something, which you've also done. Opinions of anything cannot be wrong, because opinions are subjective. By the by, this is why there's a difference between objective and subjective, apparently. Who knew?

2) I believe I have explained why I don't like re-tread characters. It's uncreative and boring IMHO. I know Millar has the talent and creativity to do something new and different (he demonstrated that in The Ultimates) and instead he's just trying to milk the same characters ("legacy" or not) for all they're worth. Based on the first arc it seems that he believes he can simply re-tread past characters and give them new "bad-boy" attitudes, and that is supposed to be enough to distinguish them from prior Ultimate incarnations of the characters. For me personally it is not.

I would have preferred if he spent time making ultimate versions of other Marvel characters that we haven't seen in the Ultimate Marvel universe yet. IMHO he didn't do that in the first arc much at all. The only character he attempted to do this to was Red Skull; and I felt Skull's path to his end goal was rather incoherent and unbelievable.

Bluhblahblahbluhbleh - I believe you missed the large chunk where I explained the point of criticisms and how they should typically be brought about and handled. But that's okay. You almost got there on your own.

I'm glad you don't like it! (Actually, I don't really care whether you like the work or do not, because I've no vested interest in your opinion - and no, that's not an insult.) I'm glad you have the ability to not like it. I'm glad there's something about Ultimate Avengers 1 that invokes some feeling, in this case disinterest or dislike or acidic-bile-rising, in the very center of your being.

That's the beauty about subjectivity. We can all have our different reactions to it, and thus form our different opinions.

You don't like what Millar did or how he did it. Oh well. That's about as much as one can glean from the posts, because you skipped over the important matter of suggesting what he should have done better in order to make it a stronger piece of more worth. You did quote that part, though. And it's not like you really could have done it, because ultimately his character selection does not diminish the quality of the work, but rather backs up the work - as I have already stated - or is otherwise irrelevent due to their natures as secondary characters.

Regardless, the main point of identifying subjectivity vs. objectivity? It's not wrong just because you don't like it, nor was it done wrong. This simple rule is true for every type of art. That's all I was ever getting at.

 

[Drz]

Ultimate Thor preview!

 

[kguillou]

Damn that looks pretty, it looks like Pacheco is trying to mimic Hitch's style a bit and i love it.

 

[DeathRaven]

That is some beautiful art there, Pacheco can be a hit or miss for me but this is looking really good!

 

[Drz]

So anyhow i enjoyed Ultimate Avengers 3 #2 especially Mark making abit fun of both Nerd Hulk and himself. I loved how Blade and the church seem to work together and the way Blade interrogated the vampire. Plot-wise this is the Ultimate Fantastic Four plot, but replaced with vampires. Some big cheese is taking over the world by getting heroes as vampires. New Daredevil is still quite intriquing and i loved the splash page with him. Spooky!

Anyhow here's some variants for Ultimate Comics: Thor #1:

I believe the left one is "Women of Marvel" variant.

New Ultimates #4 preview is up too. Tho it's really sad how a bi-monthly book is actually having delay issues. -_____-

 

[Venom160]

man I'm really looking forward to reading this. Ult Thor is the only Thor I've ever read about and I'm really excited to see his back story in Asgard.

 

[Drz]

man I'm really looking forward to reading this. Ult Thor is the only Thor I've ever read about and I'm really excited to see his back story in Asgard.

Yeah Hickman seems to have a good plan what to do. Also we get to see Perun the Russian "Thor" in Avengers 3!:

ULTIMATE COMICS AVENGERS 3 #5 (of 6)
Written by MARK MILLAR
Penciled by STEVE DILLON
Cover by GREG LAND The battle for blood gets thicker as the vampire frenzy comes to a head. With Cap fanged out, Fury brings out the big guns and some new recruits—newish, that is: Perun aka, Russian Thor and the Giant Men. While Blade’s ordered to stand down, the new vampire Nerd Hulk has powered up—and it looks like it’s going to take a lot more than a few Avengers to avenge these bloodsuckers. Mark Millar and Steve Dillon throw down a vampire tale like none other!

Also here's a really cool spread from New Ultimates #4:

I hope Loki is possessing Thor thru his rage, i really don't wanna see Thor going all mad on his friends because his girlfriend died. Loeb's New Ultimates has been a fun title so far.

Also Spider-Man keeps being awesome, and starting December the title will be 2.99 price tagged! The Chameleon arc progresses Spidey's world nicely, but most importantly we're finalyl going to see the Ultimates effecting Parker's life!

 

[chris moore]

Man, I'm going to have to drop Ultimate Avengers. Probably keep Ultimates. I never thought I would be dropping so many titles after Dark Reign, when there's finally less angst and more superheroics. But I have to ditch this, and Avengers too.

 

[Drz]

Ultimate Thor #1 preview!

 

[random_havoc]

The new preview just went up for the upcoming Ultimate Spider-Man issue and THANK GOODNESS(!!!!!!) that they finally have a different artist on that book!!!! LaFuente was stinking it up terribly imo. I own literally every issue of ASM up until LaFuente started on art, then I just couldn't get myself to buy any more issues.

Hope they keep this new guy, his stuff looks good.

 

[Drz]

If i'm correct Lafuente is still and will be the fulltime artist. Sara is just helping out since Lafuente isn't new into monthly comics (Bendis got him into this, and this is his first monthly series) so he's doing the 150th issue and Sara just like 3-more issues to help out.

Personally i kinda like Lafuente, yeah the huge lemon head was lol at first, but the guy does cool dynamic action. Tho another point does go with everyone having a closely resembling face.

 

[random_havoc]

If i'm correct Lafuente is still and will be the fulltime artist. Sara is just helping out since Lafuente isn't new into monthly comics (Bendis got him into this, and this is his first monthly series) so he's doing the 150th issue and Sara just like 3-more issues to help out.

Personally i kinda like Lafuente, yeah the huge lemon head was lol at first, but the guy does cool dynamic action. Tho another point does go with everyone having a closely resembling face.

Crap. Just... Crap.

 

[Drz]

I liked how Ultimate Thor started out. We get Ultimate Baron Zemo, Balder, Odin and so much more! While it's only 4 issues long it seems Hickman has his big idea already set in place. I liked how early days' Thor's costume was kinda blend with the Ultimate and 616-Thor with the cape and all. Pachero's artwork flows nicely from panel to panel with it's action and Thor giving a small grin was so Bryan Hitch.

I kinda also hope we see Baron Zemo pimping up with a sword!

 

[Drz]

Ultimate Captain America comic book announced!

The synopsis being: And here it is: February 2011, the Wolverine: Weapon X creative team of writer Jason Aaron and Ron Garney re-team for Ultimate Comics Captain America, where Cap will meet his Vietnam War equivalent, who turns out to be kind of a jerk (Aaron has a more colorful word for him in the Q&A below).

Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't the original idea for Captain America in Ultimate Marvel to be a Gulf/Vietnam War Steve Rogers? I wonder how will this go with thye continuety, did Nick Fury succeed on someform of an Super Soldier serum during the 70s or what?! Here's the Q & A:

Newsarama: Jason, let's start from kind of the top-down. This is your Ultimate universe debut — what's your personal view of the Ultimate line over the last 10 years? As a writer, is it something you'd been hoping for a chance to explore for a while?
Jason Aaron: As I've fan, I've loved it. I've been keeping up with the Ultimate U from the get-go. And yeah, as I writer I've always been interested in getting in the mix there. Glad to finally be on board.
Nrama: And the Ultimate Universe has changed pretty drastically in just the last couple of years, since Ultimatum. What's your take on where the Ultimate Universe stands now? What makes it a territory that you were eager to add your voice to?
Aaron: I just love the attitude and the scale of the Ultimate U and the freedom that comes from working in it. Don't get me wrong, I love working in the main Marvel U as well, but since the Ultimate line has been so deliberate and well-maintained, it really comes with a lot of freedom. I'm getting to explore areas of Cap's past in a way I couldn't do in the Marvel U, since it's all already been so meticulously mapped out.
Nrama: Ron, it's pretty huge news that you're drawing Captain America again, albeit the Ultimate version. Your runs on the character in the '90s were legendary, and too short for a lot of fans' tastes. What's it like being back working with the character?
Ron Garney: Thanks! Well, it feels like a different character in a way — this isn’t exactly the same Steve Rogers, in that his methods for getting the job done might be grittier and more realistic so in that sense It kind of feels a bit new. There are moments though on certain pages I get feelings of deja vu. It’s been so long since I’ve drawn him in his own book, in action. I think the readers will probably feel the same way visually in certain panels. Can’t help it!
Nrama: Like Aaron, this is also your debut in the Ultimate Universe. How does it feel to be contributing to the legacy of that side of Marvel Comics?
Garney: Feels great! I know how important this universe is for Marvel and what a success its been — so I’m honored to be a part of it and have it be a part of my own career history there as well.
Nrama: Moving to the star of the series — what do you like about the Ultimate version of Captain America? From your perspective, in what important ways is he different than the traditional version of the character?
Aaron: He's a bit more of as *******, I think. But still a good guy at heart. Still a hero. And he's very much still a man out of time. That's really one of the main themes of the book. What happened while Cap was frozen in ice? What lessons did he miss out on on? And who was left to carry the load while he was gone?
Nrama: You've written mostly characters from the darker, grittier side of the Marvel Universe at this point — Wolverine, Ghost Rider, Punisher. Though Ultimate Cap is a bit harder-edged than the classic version, he's still Captain America and the "sentinel of liberty" — how's it been working with a much more conventional "good guy"?
Aaron: Yeah, I suppose he is a more conventional good guy, but he's also a soldier, and this book in some ways is really a modern-day war story, with Cap being confronted first-hand with the lessons of the Vietnam War, with the legacy of a time he completely missed out on.
Nrama: The plot itself seems especially catered to the Ultimate universe, since in "616" Captain America was awake and active during the Vietnam War (though now because of the way comic book time works, he would still be frozen through it). What can you tell us about the genesis of the story, and the conception of Cap's opponent being his Vietnam-era equivalent?
Aaron: I have a great interest in the Vietnam War, as anybody knows if they've read my first big comic work, The Other Side from Vertigo. My cousin, Gustav Hasford, was a Marine combat correspondent during the war and went on to write the novel that Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket was based on. Because of Gus, I've been able to meet lots of vets over the years and hear their stories. It was a complicated war and it has a complicated legacy even today. Cap missed out on all of that. All he knows about Vietnam is what he reads in the history books. I wanted to have a character show up who in some ways is just like Steve Rogers. Just a patriotic kid who wanted to do his part in service to his country. But it didn't work out at all like he planned, and where Cap became our country's greatest hero, this guy found himself forever sworn to be an enemy of America.
Nrama: Speaking of the Vietnam War Captain America — what can you share about him? Why is he Cap's "ultimate nemesis," as he's described in the information revealed to press?
Aaron: Like I said, he and Cap are very similar in a lot of ways. It's just that their wars were very different. Cap was a hero, forged in the trenches of WWII. This other guy either reached his breaking point, or as he would put it wised up, in the jungles of Southeast Asia. Now they're coming face to face for the very first time, with America itself as the prize. This Vietnam War era Cap is a character that Marvel U fans will recognize, though one who's never appeared in the Ultimate U before.
Nrama: You guys worked together on Wolverine: Weapon X. What has it meant to both of you to be reunited on this project?
Aaron: I love working with Ron. I think he's one of the very best artists working at Marvel today and has been for a while now. I just keep trying to come up with new ways for him to have people punch each other in the face, and he keeps making me look like I know what the hell I'm doing.
Garney: Well, it offers consistency and an opening for my work to continue growing in a coherent direction. I’ve always experimented, now it’s nice to just keep pushing in one direction to try to realize some potential down the road. I think when I did Cap the first time, the fact that it was so short sort of stunted the artistic growth and vision I was looking for there. Ain’t too shabby working with a superb writer and guy like Jason Aaron, and Jason Keith, the colorist extraordinaire, again, as well.

Update: Some 2 Pencil pages

 

[Venom160]

Sweet. So a Vietnam Cap huh? Anyone else hoping for Ult Nuke?

 

[chris moore]

Hoping more for John Walker personally.

The funny thing is, while there have been some DNA augmentations in the Ult universe, there hasn't been a "Power Broker" who just gives out superstrength. Most superpowers have come from unsuccessful attempts to recreate the supersoldier serum at the government's behest, or from tech use. Ultimates annual #1 showed us a potential Cap candidate who burned out cos it didnt work properly. Given the first version of Captain America in the ultimate universe was a normal guy draped in a flag who got shot rather easily and determined the need for a "more than a man" supersoldier, you would have thought that any additonal Captain America's in any war would have been superpowered to some degree. If so, then that would suggest a success in developing the supersoldier serum. But so far that is not the case, unless we had another Erskine situation and the Vietnam Cap was the only success before the creator was shot.

 

[Drz]

CBR interview on Ultimate Captain America!

Little plot details given such as the Vietnam Captain America is a betrayer, but he sees himself as the hero and that the US goverment is the one that betrayed him. It's idealism vs. idealism here with the two Captain Americas. Also it seems countries such as Korea and Iraq have found a way to duplicate the super soldier serum, very interesting!

 

[El Bastardo]

Jason Aaron? Ron Garney? I'd be in even if it was about Hank Pym.

 

[Dark Victory]

Just read Ultimatum. Wow....


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