World Ultimate Spider-Man animated series discussion thread

[Webzpinner]

May eternal damnation befall the idiots who canceled our beloved Spectacular Spider-man for this drivel. amen

As a fan of Spider-Man for the past 30 years, I can honestly say I love BOTH cartoons, and both Spec and Ult are a far cry better than the 90's poorly animated snoozefest. I like Ultimate because the humor is more entertaining. More like a teenager's random thoughts. Spectacular focused a tad too much on Peter's angst. While it IS a part of the character's mythos, it also gets a tad tiring especially after Sam Raimi's angst-filled, humorless drivel.

I personally love MJ wanting to be a model, or actress. The journalism angle is not MJ in my book.

I like aspects of the show, it's just so damn hit and miss. It really illustrates the flawed conception. I actually wonder at times if Marvel is purposely trying to destroy the flagship. Evidence the last few years suggests that they are. First in Amazing, then Ultimate, and now this.

At this point I'm really thankful for Sony. You know they will do everything possible to keep Spidey's rights.

Well, when you write your book, you can have MJ be whatever you want. So funny you should talk about "destroying the flagship". People were saying the same thing in the 80's, 90's, and now. Every generation of fan complains about the "death of the franchise" and how "the XX's were the best years of the comics."

As for Sony, I would honestly LOVE for Disney to snag the rights back for all of the Marvel characters. The Paramount/Disney/Marvel teamups have been stellar compared to the crap spewed out from Fox and Sony.

You call it awesome just because it had "perfect mix of action and humor"?
but a great spider-man cartoon should also be mature, emotional, relatable, have good drama, spot-on characterizations, and respect the continuity (Spectacular Spider-man has all these in each and every one of its episodes)

I guess this series has lowered our expectations so very much that when an episode has good humor and action we call it "awesome".

But I have one question to ask you "was there any sign of the Hulk-Goblin or Skanky Ultimate Gwen in that episode you watched?"
because if there was then I am officially done with this series.​

Why does a CARTOON have to be mature? why does it have to be emotional? The 80's Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends was an EXCELLENT cartoon, and was obviously aimed at kids. There was zero continuity, much like the majority of comics in the golden age. They didn't weave intricate, multi-issue soap operas, they were fluffy bits of light reading for kids. Characters also weren't SPOT ON, either. I remember when Spectacular first aired, and everyone here had their panties in a twist over Eddie Brock being "totally out of character". There were also complaints about the animation. No one wanted a "kiddie show" everyone wanted "Days of Our Spider-Lives". Problem with anyone old enough to sign onto a forum is, they demand companies cater to them, rather than the ACTUAL market for a saturday cartoon: KIDS. 35+yr old basement-dwelling nerds is a small market compared to the 7 to 12yr olds out there, who are the ACTUAL demographics for cartoons.

I bet he had no problem of that sort because unlike the Spectacular Spider-Man (in which every episode was related to another and the continuity was so tight), this series has almost no continuity had almost no continuity. I mean you will probably be able to watch some episode from season 4 and still understand what is going on.

Good. I'm glad. I was watching "Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends" the other day on Netflix, and it was fun to just turn on a random episode and have fun. Can't do that with Spec. Strict continuity is not a mandatory thing. South Park and Simpsons have been going strong for decades with only the most minimal of continuity. They put entertainment first.

lol Yes Hulk-Goblin will be appearing and I think so will Heavy Metal Gwen (favorite version of the character, btw). You can return to your retirement home and let us whippersnappers enjoy new interpretations of characters now.

Hulk-Goblin wasn't my favorite... looked more like the Green Ogre than a goblin. Goblins are slight, willowy, gleeful mischief makers, not behemoths.
Loved the "punk with a heart of gold" take on Gwen. Turning her into Carnage was a tad ... off putting... but if I recall correctly, they cured her of that.

 

[mehrabix]

Amazing Spider-man may have came out first but that doesn't mean Ultimate Spider-man has to follow it. If it did that there would be no point to reading it. The whole point is that it's a different take on the history of Spider-man. I know Marvel fans aren't accustomed to the whole multiple-earth thing but Ultimate is not some knock-off comic from China that spells all the names wrong to avoid copyright infringement. The Ultimate Universe has grown to be able to support itself based on it's own well done storytelling and creative reinventions. Hell, it's why Ultimate Spider-man got his own tv show.

Considering USM a knockoff is like considering every movie and TV show made about Spider-man a knockoff. They make just as many changes to the mythos. If that's the case then the only place to find the "real" Spider-man is in the pages of The Amazing Spider-man. Anything else will just be a disappointment.

Ok whatever you say, I am done arguing with . Now go have fun with your Hulk-Goblin, Skanky Gwen, the unmasking of Peter to everyone, robot rhino etc. and keep reminding yourself every moment that what you are reading is “relevant” to the modern times!

 

[Ultimatehero]

I tried to watch this the other day and couldn't even get through the PILOT. Sure, I'll watch the Venom episodes because I'm curious how Topher Grace will approach it again. But other than that? It seems to be aimed way too young. Almost reminded me of 'Diary of a Wimpy Kid.' But there it makes sense, here it's just too odd for me. I actually think I would like it more without all those interruptions.

 

[WolfCypher]

Excuse me? Topher Grace? What the whack?

 

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

compared to the last three weeks worth of mindless juvenile drivel, today's ep seemed like the strongest one so far...

and THAT'S not saying much...

 

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

I tried to watch this the other day and couldn't even get through the PILOT. Sure, I'll watch the Venom episodes because I'm curious how Topher Grace will approach it again. But other than that? It seems to be aimed way too young. Almost reminded me of 'Diary of a Wimpy Kid.' But there it makes sense, here it's just too odd for me. I actually think I would like it more without all those interruptions.

... Topher Grace?!?... what dumbass planet are YOU on?...

 

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

I tried to watch this the other day and couldn't even get through the PILOT. Sure, I'll watch the Venom episodes because I'm curious how Topher Grace will approach it again. But other than that? It seems to be aimed way too young. Almost reminded me of 'Diary of a Wimpy Kid.' But there it makes sense, here it's just too odd for me. I actually think I would like it more without all those interruptions.

... Topher Grace?!?... what dumbass planet are YOU on?...

 

[Gwendolyn Stacy]

Excuse me? Topher Grace? What the whack?

He was the same guy that played Eddie/Venom in SM3. He's the voice of both characters in this show.

 

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

f**king double post...

 

[Savage]

Ok whatever you say, I am done arguing with . Now go have fun with your Hulk-Goblin, Skanky Gwen, the unmasking of Peter to everyone, robot rhino etc. and keep reminding yourself every moment that what you are reading is “relevant” to the modern times!

More relevant than 40 year old panels of Aunt May. Also Pete was unmasked in The Amazing Spider-man and Civil War. Neither books are on the Ultimate line. Also I'm not sure you know what a skank is as I don't remember Gwen Stacy being with more than one guy. That was regular Gwen. While she was with Peter. And she mothered two Goblin children because of it. All in The Amazing Spider-man, not Ultimate Spider-man.

 

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

He was the same guy that played Eddie/Venom in SM3. He's the voice of both characters in this show.

my bad, I did not know that... that was news to me...

my apologies...

 

[Ultimatehero]

... Topher Grace?!?... what dumbass planet are YOU on?...

Um,

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1884207/

Alrighty then....

 

[Savage]

Yeah, that was one hell of an overreaction.

 

[Ultimatehero]

Especially when it's true lol. Gotta love posters that leap before they post. Always backfires on them.

 

[WolfCypher]

Topher Grace is a VA on this show?

And Eddie Brock is in this show?

News to me.

 

[Ultimatehero]

He's... I might be wrong, don't really watch the show... he's on todays episode? Just IMDB gives today's date for it.

 

[WolfCypher]

IMDB isn't to reliable, I thought?

 

[Tanin]

This is a show called Ultimate Spider-Man.... why are people upset when the versions of the characters are from Ultimate Spider-Man....

It makes sense to me.

 

[Ultimatehero]

IMDB isn't to reliable, I thought?

Sometimes it posts things way in advance. I think there it's from casting rumors or someone who is originally casted falling through and etc. Here it's down to the wire. It's actually the one site, at least from my experience, that those in the industry even at top brass companies (WB, SONY, etc.) use for their info. With juggling that many movies and shows coming out, and all the technicalities that arise you're bound to slip up early on in the process from time to time.

 

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

my bad, I did not know that... that was news to me...

my apologies...

Yeah, that was one hell of an overreaction.

Especially when it's true lol. Gotta love posters that leap before they post. Always backfires on them.

I made my bad, I made my apologies...

no looking before leaping and no backfiring involved...

I just didn't know dumbass was the voice for Venom is all, plain and simple... it's not like you can see the endcredits with that nonsensical Marvel Mashup overwhelming those credits...

so you can unloosen and unwind now...

 

[Ultimatehero]

Dude, you were wrong, people reacted to how over the top your reaction seemed to be. Should be something to take into account next time round'. Don't like how people react? Don't give them something to react to.

 

[Savage]

lol Yeah, we're not the ones who need to loosen and unwind here. I know my eyes are perfectly unrolled.

 

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

dudes, when I speak my mind or when I make a comment, it's said and done... how people react is how they react... so be it...

if I make a mistake or make a bad, I admit it, I apologise...

that's all there is to it...

 

[GoldGoblin]

This show has:

-Good animation.

-Doc Ock being a quadriplegic and can only move around with his robotic tentacles is original and interesting.

-Venom being created by spidey's DNA is also a fresh idea.This way you can just bypass Peter wearing the symbiote and become a dark spidey.Kinda gets old,because we keep seeing that formula a ton of times.

Things that make this show suck:

-The spidey team is horrible in this show.
-The symbiote jumping onto each member was a terrible idea.
-Spidey becoming Venom when the symbiote got on him was also a bad decision.
-Spidey barely web swings in this show.
-This just doesn't feel like a spidey show,it feels like an Avengers show with spidey keeps showing up as a cameo.

 

[NCBIII]

It is nice to see the symbiote done in a new way, but the episode is boring. It's difficult for me to care about the conflicts in this show when it's all happening in what feels like a void. I still don't understand what the show wants to be. This episode, like the others, suffers from poor pacing. The pacing throws the show off balance.

The visual humor cast into the dramatic scenes is jarring to me. I'm a big fan of Teen Titans, and I think it does a much better job at knowing when to be funny and when to keep the humor at a minimum. It generally keeps the dramatic scenes dramatic, and uses the humor when it's appropriate. In "Venom", there's a cutaway during the rooftop fight where Spidey makes a joke about Venom mowing his law, and we see a short clip of Venom mowing the lawn for Spidey. Out of context, I would probably think it was cute. In the midst of that fight, however, I was wondering why it was there at all. It breaks the flow of the action.

There's another cutaway where Harry storms out of the cafeteria like a middle school girl after seeing Peter hanging out with other people (seriously?), and we see a spotlight shine on a hurt Peter Parker after Harry tells him how he feels. This feels like a moment we're at least supposed to care about, but then they throw a visual gag into the ONE social dilemma Peter has in the episode? Am I supposed to care or not? The ever shifting tone confuses me.

I'm not a big fan of the origin of this new Venom. It feels like a cheap way to get fan attention. You have Spider-Man's biggest foe, Green Goblin, working with Spider-Man's second-biggest foe, Doc Ock. Okay, that's fine. Questionable, but fine. But we have Doc Ock creating Venom, the third of Spider-Man's most popular villains, and now dedicating his LIFE to that purpose? It gets on my nerves.

Even setting the origin aside, I don't understand Venom's motives. He wants Spider-Man. That's it. We don't know why-sure, we can speculate, but it isn't clear in the episode. Maybe that will be developed more later. I really want to like this show, but I'm finding it increasingly difficult with each episode.