Sequels venom in the amazing spiderman

[thejon93]

While the Alien storyline is the one closest to my heart and the one I grew up with, I would imagine they would do the Amazing storyline in which the suit was made to cure diseases/cancer. Not just to separate itself from the Raimi movies, but because it would make more sense in this universe, with everything starting at Oscorp.

I don't know if they could get away with introducing Eddie as another close friend from the past, considering he hasn't been mentioned in the first two. Considering they gave "that" backstory to Harry (being best friends since they were kids), I doubt they'll give it to Eddie as well.

Eddie's been established in the universe already, he's a writer at the Daily Bugle, so he'll have a working relationship with Peter, only to have it ruined by Peter as well when he gets the black suit (just like in Spider-Man 3).

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I'd like to see Eddie Brocks life get more mangled than it did in sm3.

 

[thejon93]

I'd like to see Eddie Brocks life get more mangled than it did in sm3.

So do I. Thankfully I think that they will allow Eddie's life to be destroyed by Peter's rage when the symbiote consumes him. Especially coming off the climax for this newest Amazing Spider-Man, they'd be silly not to introduce the black suit in the next film and finally give fans some redemption for its portrayal in Spider-Man 3. I liked Spider-Man 3, but I didn't like how Venom got shoe-horned in just to be in the film for, what felt like, 5 minutes of screen time. Eddie Brock/Venom has to factor into this next film in some way, I hope that Peter becomes friends with Eddie and has more chemistry with him than in Spider-Man 3 this time because I hate the idea that Peter doesn't have friends in these films. It's always been Harry, where's Flash? Where's Randy Robertson? All the filmmakers need to do is watch The Spectacular Spider-Man series and right away they should realize "oh yeah, maybe we should let Peter actually have a life with friends this time around, rather than just lazily go from Plot Thread A to Z, skimming through various tones without focusing on just one throughout in order to balance everything out". Hell, even the MTV Spider-Man series with Neill Patrick Harris understood this, that Peter needs friends to survive, or else there is no Spider-Man.

 

[I'm Venom]

In the cartoon that I watched as a kid, it came from space and joined Spider-Man. I think they can use that format, except for Kingpin. Astronauts get it, crash, Spidey saves them, becomes black. Then Venom.

 

[Green Goblin]

While the Alien storyline is the one closest to my heart and the one I grew up with, I would imagine they would do the Amazing storyline in which the suit was made to cure diseases/cancer. Not just to separate itself from the Raimi movies, but because it would make more sense in this universe, with everything starting at Oscorp.

I don't know if they could get away with introducing Eddie as another close friend from the past, considering he hasn't been mentioned in the first two. Considering they gave "that" backstory to Harry (being best friends since they were kids), I doubt they'll give it to Eddie as well.

Don't forget the Richard Parker good science- used for bad thing was used for the origin of the cross-spicies.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Could we get a 616/Ultimate hybrid with added elements for the film? Maybe Eddie Brock Jr. is a journalist working for the Daily Bugle who's father was a colleague of Richard's. The symbiote could've been the precursor to the cross-species genetics research and something that Brock Sr. was heading. The project was shut down due to it's instability and the fact that it killed its first test subject (Brock Sr.). It was thought to be destroyed, but Norman actually retained it in hiding, hoping to refine it.

It would help to bring in Brock Jr. as a friend to Peter, in that they both are trying to figure out (under the radar of the Bugle), exactly what's been going on at Oscorp. The two would mirror each other a lot, in trying to learn more about their fathers as well

Brock ends up finding the symbiote and all this research exposing some their shadier doings. Peter takes it home to test it, but ends up coming into contact with it. He gets the black suit, provides the info to the Bugle. It shames Brock Jr. not just because it could've been his story, but because it involved his father (I'd like for Peter to leave out his own father's involvement), which ultimately ruins his name and credibility.

Peter loses the suit, Brock gets it. From it, he learns that Peter is Spider-Man and that Richard was the last face his father saw before he died (in his rage-mind, a Richard who let his father die). He then goes on his quest for vengeance to kill Peter and honor his father.

Maybe after he stops giving into his anger, or even after a rage overload, he'll see that his father (the first person to wear the suit), was actually the polar opposite of Richard and more in line with Norman. He'll see all of the awful things his father did in the name of science. From there, he learns to use his anger in a more targeted way to control the symbiote and becomes an anti-hero.

Blah blah blah, Carnage comes in, you get it. There'd have to be hints that the suit taps into repressed emotions which in turn, helps the host access repressed memories. The Brock Sr. stuff could be something Peter sees himself and tries to convince Eddie of, but realizes the only way for Eddie to see it is to push him to brink of madness.

I dunno, that all might be really dumb. I just like the idea of Eddie Sr. being made out to be a mirror of Richard, when he's actually a mirror of Norman. And I like the idea that Peter survived the spider bite because he's just like his father, whereas Eddie survived the Venom suit because he's nothing like his. He's not a bad man filled with hatred, but a good man in control of his anger.

 

[I'm Venom]

I think introducing Venom in the third movie won't work. Too much story behind it. Granted I know they can't completely go into the story, but they need to make Peter/Spidey have it for a bit since the symbiote got its powers so to speak by bonding to him first and mutated from being rejected by Spider-Man.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I think introducing Venom in the third movie won't work. Too much story behind it. Granted I know they can't completely go into the story, but they need to make Peter/Spidey have it for a bit since the symbiote got its powers so to speak by bonding to him first and mutated from being rejected by Spider-Man.

maybe not venom the villain but have peter wear the black suit throughout and ditch it at the end

 

[Super Jim]

^ I agree. For the Venom story to make the most sense, Peter needs to have the symbiote for a while.

Personally, I'd rather see him have the suit for a full movie, if not more.

The alien symbiote thing has been done, and very poorly I must add. The Spiderman 3 movie was ruined by both the way they made Peter Park act because of the symbiote and by the way they shoehorned and made Eddie Brock.

But what I really hope Webb gets is that most of us still want Brock, just done right this time.

Here is my list, tell me if you agree or not and what I may have missed:

- Eddie Brock needs to be a writer at the Bugle
- Eddie Brock needs to have his life "destroyed" by something that he blames on Spiderman
- Peter must have the black suit prior to Eddie getting it (otherwise it makes no sense having the powers it will need to)
- Eddie Brock needs to be married (Anne Weying) - to give him more to lose (she leaves him because he is emotionally unstable after everything that has happened)
- Eddie must be shown using weight lifting as a means of dealing with the stress
- The actor that plays Eddie must be very different to Peter, meaning physically larger - which becomes amplified once he becomes Venom
- Eddie must learn the identity of Spiderman from his "other"
- He must refer to the symbiote as his "other" and use the term "we"
- Venom must have superhuman strength, speed, agility and reflexes as well as the ability to adhere to most surfaces with his hands and feet.
- Venom must be able to project a web-like substance from its body, similar to Spider-Man's.
- Venom should be able to send out tendrils which can be used to grab or manipulate items from a distance.
- Venom must be able to bypass Spider-Man's spider-sense, preventing the hero from sensing attacks.
- Venom must be highly resistant to injury, capable of outright stopping bladed weapons, bullets, and can survive in hostile environments, including underwater and in toxic environments
- Once defeted Brock needs to be put in prison, right near some crazy dude named Kassidy
- We need to see the symbiote asexually reproduce creating a "spawn" that bonds with Kassidy

Here are some things I would like to have, but aren't necessary:

- Have us shown Eddie Brock's childhood to show us how his mother died during child birth and how his father treated him because of that.
- The Sin-Eater story (that's why I want a "Daily Bugle" TV show that could include Brock and this story)
- Have Peter "lose control" due to the symbiote when he fights the Green Goblin (or someone else). He realizes the loss of control was partially due to the symbiote so he discards it.
- The symbiote should give Venom the ability to morph appearanace and camouflage
- Venom's webbing is produced organically by the Symbiote from its own mass, which means that overuse can weaken the alien until it is able to regenerate. - Maybe this is how Spiderman wins.
- In a future Maximum Carnage movie Spiderman will need to break Venom out of prison to have him help defeat Carnage (Gives JJJ a good anti-spiderman story)
- After this story, where Spidey needs Venom's help, Venom escape to become an anti-hero (getting his own movie)
- A future Life Foundation story with the five symbiote spawns (Phage, Lasher, Riot, Scream and Agony). This would make a good future Venom movie - call it "Venom - Separation Anxiety".
- A future She-Venom story. This would make another good future Venom Movie.
- A future Anti-Venom story. Max Gargan would be the villain. This would make another good future Venom movie.

Here are some things I don't think we need

- Peter needing to use church bells (or even sound) to remove the symbiote
- Eddie getting the symbiote at the church
- The symbiote being an alien (much easier making it an enhancement invention at Oscorp)

 

[I'm Venom]

Eh to be honest it's kind of hard to do that storyline in a movie. You've got Spider-Man's first encounter with the symbiote that in itself is an arc it would have to take up the entire movie to be paced properly. Once you do the symbiote though you have to do Venom, so that would have to be the next film. Though, if they did it would still be better than Spider-Man 3, anything is better than that.

 

[Super Jim]

^ Not sure what you mean as far as being hard to do.

To me it's simple...

Let's say the Sinistaer Six is in TASM3 (sure looks that way). Wouldn't it make sense for Spiderman to try to infiltrate Oscorp and maybe even find Special Projects?

There could be this invention (black goo type stuff) that he finds that enhances the attributes of the user. Peter gets it on him (or decides to use it), which gives him the additional strength needed to fight the Six.

This way he has it for a good portion of the movie, which means it can be promoted and make the poster (which is what we all want, right?).

When he finally goes up against the Green Goblin he loses control and ends up pummeling him in his rage. For the most part this is because of Gwen, but something (the symbiote) makes him take it further than he would. He hesitates, which allows the Goblin to strike, and either the Goblin gets away (if they want him for a future movie) or Peter gets put into a position where he knows that the Goblin is pure evil and is forced to kill him. Maybe Goblin causes his own death. The specifics don't matter.

Peter, realizing that part of his losing control was the symbiote, removes it and tries to destroy it. Maybe he throws it in a furnace or something. Peter departs, thinking he did the right thing and the symbiote is gone.

The mid or after credit scene could be us being shown the symbiote creeping out of the furnace, obviously inured but not destroyed (maybe not injured at all since it can handle extreme evironments). It finds Brock (whose story could be told earlier in the movie - or in a separate movie - or in my Daily Bugle TV series idea), bonds with him, transforming him into Venom.

Brock, now as Venom, stands there, looking like this:

He turns to the camera and says:

"We are Venom!"

Fade to black.

 

[I'm Venom]

I just meant that it's hard to do what Spider-Man 3 tried and failed to. I'm not able to stress how important it is to split the whole arc into two different films. Peter finds and then wears the symbiote for an entire film that ends with a cliffhanger of Venom, and Spider-Man fights Venom for an entire film.

 

[Super Jim]

^ Then we are 100% in agreement.

1 movie for Peter to have the suit and discard it.

1 movie for Venom.

Venom is, or at least should be, that big of a threat!

 

[I'm Venom]

That's why you build Eddie in one movie and have him as Venom in the next. In Spider-Man 3, he was treated as a subplot until the last 25 minutes. The transition to villain was rushed. Having him in another movie allows you to treat him as a subplot, because really that's all he is at first, and after a while, have it all build up. Just build up the plot, have just Black Suit Spidey and introduce Brock in 3, then 4 is all Venom. Plus this allows you to actually explain what the black suit is and use it for more than half an hour against more than one villain. The black suit and Venom's demise are two separate stories that shouldn't be forced together.

 

[Super Jim]

^ Totally agree. Brock needs to be in TASM3 and not become Venom until the mid/post Credits Scene or in TASM4.

And yes, the symbiote needs to be part of the story and not the main part. It should be a subplot used to help Spidey defeat the Six and cause him to lose control on the Green Goblin.

Effectively, everything I explained above.

The only issue I see is forcing the Daily Bugle into TASM3. So far I have liked how they have handled the Bugle. Having Peter use technology to provide the pics to the Bugle and to send in his invoices makes a lot of sense and prevents the need of Peter spending an unnecessary amount of time at the Bugle.

That ws another problem with Spiderman 3, too much down time at the Bugle in order to set up the story.

So Brock could just be a reporter out on the street. But the issue is how much time would be needed to focus on Brock making a mistake on his story, him getting fired, his losing his wife, his blaming Spiderman, using weight-lifting to deal with the stress, etc.

See, too much time for a sub-plot that would be important in the next movie.

Again, this is why my Daily Bugle TV show concept makes so much sense. All of this could end up being in that show so it wouldn't bog down TASM3! The TV show actually ends up setting up and promoting the movie! Come on Webb, think about this... I'm willing to consult!

 

[I'm Venom]

TASM3 should be Peter in mourning over Gwen, starts working at the Bugle, and we get introduced to Jameson, we get introduced to MJ, but in the meantime we know Rhino will be there, but they can't have Rhino being the only bad guy he isn't all that interesting. Vulture would be nice, and the intro for Brock. Show his anger toward Peter/Spider-Man, and soon, Peter becomes reckless with the black suit and starts to become a danger to other citizens of New York. He also causes Eddie to lose his job at the Bugle. At the end Peter realizes what the symbiote is doing to him and takes it off, and the symbiote bonds with Eddie Brock.

 

[Super Jim]

TASM3 should be Peter in mourning over Gwen, starts working at the Bugle, and we get introduced to Jameson, we get introduced to MJ, but in the meantime we know Rhino will be there, but they can't have Rhino being the only bad guy he isn't all that interesting. Vulture would be nice, and the intro for Brock. Show his anger toward Peter/Spider-Man, and soon, Peter becomes reckless with the black suit and starts to become a danger to other citizens of New York. He also causes Eddie to lose his job at the Bugle. At the end Peter realizes what the symbiote is doing to him and takes it off, and the symbiote bonds with Eddie Brock.

Peter is already working at the Bugle. There was a specific scene where he was emailing Mr. Jameson his invoice for pictures and wrote that maybe Spiderman was just trying to help. The response he received was simply...

"Wrong!"

Perfect! That was actually perfect!

There is no need to have Peter go to the Bugle and waste the audience's time.

Also, Rhino is tired at this point. I think most would agree that we need something new. Mysterio, Kraven, Vulture, Doc Ock... So I guess what I'm saying is it's time for the full Sinister Six!

Everything else you want is what I wrote above:

Yes, introduce MJ as nothing more than a friend. That's 30 minutes of the movie max. If they have to do Brock in the movie (cause they won't go with my TV idea) then maybe 10-20 minutes max. It would have to be done very differently than what would be ideal. It would have to be Spiderman meeting Brock out on the street (he would be investigating some crime or something). Maybe Spiderman gives him incorrect info by accident, leading to him getting fired. All we would need to see is Brock being kicked out the front door of the Bugle. Maybe see him call his wife, blaming it all on Spiderman or something. Then at the mid-credits scene we could see Brock, alone in his apartment, possibly with anti-Spiderman articles posted on the wall, maybe a Bugle article appoligizing for Brock's article indicating that the reporter has been fired, and he'd be weghtlifting. Maybe somehow show that his wife has left him. Maybe he could be talking to himself, blaming all of his woes on Spiderman. The symbiote, having been discarded by Spiderman (as I explained above) bonds with him and we get to see Venom, who turns to the camera and says "we are venom" or "we will make the Spider pay!"

 

[I'm Venom]

Which would be the way to do it... have one movie to set up the symbiote and end with the creation of Venom then have him as the villain in the following.

 

[Super Jim]

^ Personally I'm not a fan of the "it came from space" concept for the symbiote. Been there, done that. Whether it's an asteroid (Spiderman 3) or your idea of a "crashed space shuttle"?, it's the same tired, been there, done that, thing.

Instead, let's go with something more alonf the lines of the Ultimate version, which has the symbiote Earth based. An invention, created for some purpose (whether to cure cancer, save Norman, enhance physcial attricutes, or whatever - it doesn't metter), makes the most sense.

Miving on...

Jensen Ackles as Eddie Brock?

On the one hand, he has the facial look, but the real question is physicality. As explained previously, Brock must be physically superior, in height, build, etc., to Peter Parker. This was one of the biggest mistakes they made in Spiderman 3, and making that same mistake here would be a huge disappointment. It would almost be as bad as making Venom Norman Osborn, which would just be stupid!

So, let's check Jensen's stats:

He is 6' 1" and looks to be around 200 pounds.

Andrew is 5' 10.5" and is slightly scrawnier.

This would probably be around the minimum we would want to see. I guess it could work, but it would probably be better if Brock was arund 6'4" and 225, pure muscle.

Not sure how many actors out there match that...

Armie Hammer is 6' 5" and would fit very well:


Dominic Purcell is 6' 2", but much more built than Jensen. He also looks like a bad arse:

 

[I'm Venom]

I think Jensen would make a more intimidating villian than Topher does not that he was bad or anything. Imagine his face coming out of the symboite, similar to how Topher's was in Spider-Man 3. Just have him add 25 lbs of muscle.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

 

[Rorschach2012]

They keep talking about this planned Venom film but I would much prefer a Spider-Man film where Venom is the sole villain.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I feel like they want that too, I hope they do at least.

 

[I'm Venom]

Use the black suit, have Venom introduced for the 4th one. I see Peter fighting most of the Sinister Six in ASM3 using the symbiote to win and the symbiote from taking over. Brock will be introduced in ASM3 as well as JJ and the rest of the Bugle.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

In the cartoon that I watched as a kid, it came from space and joined Spider-Man. I think they can use that format, except for Kingpin. Astronauts get it, crash, Spidey saves them, becomes black. Then Venom.

I think this is one of the best ways to go with it. I wouldn't mind if it was created in a lab. Better this than coming from a meteorite that just happens to land where Peter is. lol