Iron Man Was Mandarin in the film? (don't read if you didn't see)

[Tony Stark]

Raza mentions something about Ghengis Khan, didn't catch exactly what he said, but the Mandarin always claimed to be a direct decendant of Ghengis Khan.

 

[The Geek Vault]

Just thinking ya know that thing stane uses that Neural scrambler thing, what if the mandarin get's a hold of that an reverse egineers it and makes that one of his rings.

 

[ironwez20]

did that guy with the ring get killed or not, they just showed him paralyzed in the tent.

 

[TheVileOne]

It was implied that Stane's soldiers were going to kill him.

Also, in the comics the Mandarin is pretty anti-technology and hates it. So the ideals of Raza and the 10 Rings are somewhat against Mandarin's sensibilities.

Raza didn't seem to be acting under orders, more like he wanted to be in controll himself. He's clearly not the typical Islamic terrorist trying to kill the infidels though.

 

[The Major]

It was implied that Stane's soldiers were going to kill him.

It was never shown on camera.

If Raza did survive we'll probably get a flashback or prologue in the sequel revealing how he escaped Stane's men.

Also, in the comics the Mandarin is pretty anti-technology and hates it. So the ideals of Raza and the 10 Rings are somewhat against Mandarin's sensibilities.

Wouldn't be surprised if movie Mandarin uses technology instead of magic. They'd want him to be realistic as possible. For some reason high end magic villains are off limits against "realistic" heroes in Holllywood. I'd like to be wrong with this but I don't see Favreau going that route with IM.

Raza didn't seem to be acting under orders, more like he wanted to be in controll himself.

He came across to me as a middle man.

I'd find it easy to believe Raza is one of Mandarin's "generals".

He's clearly not the typical Islamic terrorist trying to kill the infidels though.

I agree.

 

[TheVileOne]

It was never shown on camera.

So what happened then?

If Raza did survive we'll probably get a flashback or prologue in the sequel revealing how he escaped Stane's men.

He does not seem that important.

Wouldn't be surprised if movie Mandarin uses technology instead of magic. They'd want him to be realistic as possible. For some reason high end magic villains are off limits against "realistic" heroes in Holllywood. I'd like to be wrong with this but I don't see Favreau going that route with IM.

You do realize that Marvel Studios is set on making a Thor movie right? You know Thor? The Asguardian God? And you do know that Marvel wants to make an Avengers movie where all these movies crossover, right? And who was in Avengers? *GASP* THOR!

The deal is sonny jim Major, they will have to address this in the new Marvel Movie-verse at some point.

He came across to me as a middle man.

He never once spoke of a higher power. He acted like HE wanted to be Gengis Khan. "Now it will be MY turn". "Grant ME the gift of iron soldiers". Just saying, if he is supposed to be a middle man or a general, it didn't come off that way.

 

[Savage]

Yeah, the impression I got was that Raza was some kind of disgruntled employee (hence the alliance with Stane).

Either that or the Mandarin is simply a member of the Ten Rings. Anyone ever think of that? There are ten and each from different countries so it wouldn't be a stretch for The Mandarin to be the Chinese representative at the table seeking power. I can see him murdering the other members and taking the rings for himself.

And these things just have to be magic, giving the movie an almost Indiana Jones kind of feel with the mix of realism and fantasy. Magic vs. Technology. That's always been what Mandarin vs. Iron Man was about. Fury's already hinted that the world is much bigger than Stark thinks and TheVileOne makes an excellent point about Thor.

 

[The Major]

So what happened then?

We don't know.

Assuming Marvel's movie division is following comic rules with their movies: death's don't count unless you see the bodies. It's a huge comic book super-hero staple. Unless you actually see a major character die they survived off-screen. Which is always explained later.

Raza could have been taken away by other men in the headquarters once they heard the shots fired by Stane's men outside.

It all depends on what Raza's role in the movie was. If he was just an expendable Mandarin crony or a red herring he's dead. But if he is truly important he could have survived. We just never saw how.

He could even have died off-screen and we'll see Mandarin's reaction to it in the sequel when he finds out about it.

He does not seem that important.

We don't have all the details on him. He could just be a plot device villain but he could be much more since he is tied with the Ten Rings.

You do realize that Marvel Studios is set on making a Thor movie right? You know Thor? The Asguardian God? And you do know that Marvel wants to make an Avengers movie where all these movies crossover, right? And who was in Avengers? *GASP* THOR!

Of course I do.

The deal is sonny jim Major, they will have to address this in the new Marvel Movie-verse at some point.

Of course they will.

We just don't know how they will address it, though. It might be a huge thing or it could just be done subtly like in the first IM movie.

We'll have a better idea once IM's sequel starts getting made.

He never once spoke of a higher power. He acted like HE wanted to be Gengis Khan. "Now it will be MY turn". "Grant ME the gift of iron soldiers". Just saying, if he is supposed to be a middle man or a general, it didn't come off that way.

Easily explained. He wants to secretly overthrow Mandarin but to do that he needs advanced weaponry for it to happen.

I'm not saying you're wrong. You could be reading the movie better then I have.

We'll have a better idea once the status of Mandarin is revealed.

 

[TheVileOne]

The point is, you can't be closed minded about how they will treat the Mandarin and his rings they are going to have to address Thor existing on Midgard at some point, assuming it goes that far.

 

[The Major]

The point is, you can't be closed minded about how they will treat the Mandarin and his rings they are going to have to address Thor existing on Midgard at some point, assuming it goes that far.

That's true.

Guess I'm still used to thinking about Marvel films as Hollywood made productions.

 

[The Guard]

I seriously doubt that that was supposed to be the Madarin. Marvel will want a name. Chow Yun Fat, someone like that.

 

[Agent Thermal]

Please excuse my ignorance on the matter, but with all this talk of using magic to explain Mandarin's rings' abilities - I always thought that he discovered them in a crashed alien spaceship... Can anyone point me in the right direction here?

 

[TheVileOne]

The guy was Raza, not the Mandarin. The 10 Rings and Raza brandishing a big fancy ring were clear nods to the Mandarin though. It's unclear how deeply we should look into them though.

 

[EternalMaster]

Mandarin's rings were alien tech in the comics. Mandarin combined the insane tech with his Eastern martial arts and spiritualism to make himself a badass.

 

[Heretic]

Im pretty glad that Raza wasnt the Mandarin. Im not too familiar with the characters, but I was worried that if that dude was the Mandarin then he got punked out too easily by all sides.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Please excuse my ignorance on the matter, but with all this talk of using magic to explain Mandarin's rings' abilities - I always thought that he discovered them in a crashed alien spaceship... Can anyone point me in the right direction here?

Jarvis did mention to Tony, about visiting other planetary systems...so alien tech may not be totally out of the question.

 

[The Squirrel]

Here's a question I figure will go well in here:

Spoiler

Stane wears a very fancy ring on one of his fingers, similar to Raza's... is it suppose to be implied that he is a member of the 10 Rings? I know he was selling to them, but I didn't catch that he was wearing a ring until my second showing.

 

[Chris B]

I don't think he was. Plus, being Chinese to apart of the character, so I don't want them to change it.

That said, with the Mandarin, I think that they should explain the rings as being miniturized weapons he built. But I would be willing to give Favreau the benefit of the doubt if he found a way of keeping the alien technology angle or magical artifacts explanation if he found a way of presenting it in a way that wasn't silly.

And as obvious as it would be, Chow Yun Fat would be the best bet for the role, IMO.

 

[Chris B]

Double post.

 

[Chris B]

Also, in the comics the Mandarin is pretty anti-technology and hates it. So the ideals of Raza and the 10 Rings are somewhat against Mandarin's sensibilities.

To be fair, the anti-technology aspect was something that wasn't added to the character until the 90's. The Mandarin did often use technology in comics from the 60's and 70's.

 

[deathshead2]

More like Raza is just working for the Mandarin. In the comics he use to give his rings to henchmen all the time. Anyone else catch it Stane said in the tent that technology has always been Asias weakpoint cus of there magic?

 

[Savage]

He said that? Holy ****. Talk about nmore clues.

 

[Venomfan]

To be fair, the anti-technology aspect was something that wasn't added to the character until the 90's. The Mandarin did often use technology in comics from the 60's and 70's.

which is weird since his rings are from alien tech lol. what exactly is he "anti-technology" about? because obviously everything he has is a product of technology, but i'm guessing he's kinda of like the mennonites and amish and deems everything after a certain point in history to be bad or something

 

[deathshead2]

He said that? Holy ****. Talk about nmore clues.

Yeah right before he hit him with the Ear buzzer. "Tech has always been Asias weak point" Or soemthing around those lines then Stane says something about Magic. Walks off and his crew kills Razas men.

 

[The Squirrel]

Yeah right before he hit him with the Ear buzzer. "Tech has always been Asias weak point" Or soemthing around those lines then Stane says something about Magic. Walks off and his crew kills Razas men.

"Technology has always been your weakness in this part of the world." - I believe.