Superman Returns Was Superman Returns the perfect movie?

[Angeloz]

It might be nice to have a 5-6 hr film but I doubt it's happening. Also if you want to know what happened when he was away there's the moment when he came back and was watching TV with humans being humans i.e. war and conflict. Then when he appeared they seemed happier i.e. showing his feats.

Angeloz

 

[Spade]

It was a great movie. It just wasn't a great Superman movie nor a good superhero film. If this was a movie about the Sentry or another indie character and people were changed around, maybe it would've worked. But even then, it would've had issues with the draw-ins for a first film.

 

[mego joe]

It was a great movie.

It just wasn't a great Superman movie nor a good superhero film. If this was a movie about the Sentry or another indie character and people were changed around, maybe it would've worked. But even then, it would've had issues with the draw-ins for a first film.

I disagree that it was a great film, but you are one hundred percent correct in your assesment of it had it been a new character that no-one knew anything about. It might even have been interesting.

 

[El Payaso]

It was interesting enough to take Superman and show his problems for real, not just some heroic music and some quick last minute solution instead.

 

[Angeloz]

I disagree that it was a great film, but you are one hundred percent correct in your assesment of it had it been a new character that no-one knew anything about. It might even have been interesting.

Most shocking. Does this mean you have a double standard? Otherwise what do you mean? Don't worry I won't beat you up. Unless you like pillow fighting?

Angeloz

 

[mego joe]

Most shocking. Does this mean you have a double standard? Otherwise what do you mean? Don't worry I won't beat you up. Unless you like pillow fighting?

Angeloz

No, no double standard at all. My contention all along is that SR showed Superman out of character. If it were a completely new and different character in the film then it could have been interesing. It doesn't mean that I wouldn't have problems with it, but my contention is that the story was wrong for Superman. THe problems given to Superman in SR are not problems that fit with the Superman character. C'mon, Superman not saying good bye to the woman he loves (and with whom he's sexually involved) before leaving on an extended space journey? He knows it's wrong in the movie and he STILL does it. That's just not a problem Superman would have. It may be a difficult thing to do, but he would do it. His problem would be how he overcame his fear and difficulty in telling her goodbye, but he would tell her goodbye his problem would not be the fact that he DIDN"T say goodbye. The problems SUperman is shown havng in SR are not the problems Superman should have b/c he would not act in such a manner to get himself into that position. COnversely, I can see how a character would act like that and get into those type of problems. However, that is the thing, it is a different character, NOT Superman.

So a new character that had that type of story could be interesting. But SUperman is NOT that character. SR portrays a Superman-like character but NOT Superman.

 

[Angeloz]

No, no double standard at all. My contention all along is that SR showed Superman out of character. If it were a completely new and different character in the film then it could have been interesing. It doesn't mean that I wouldn't have problems with it, but my contention is that the story was wrong for Superman. THe problems given to Superman in SR are not problems that fit with the Superman character. C'mon, Superman not saying good bye to the woman he loves (and with whom he's sexually involved) before leaving on an extended space journey? He knows it's wrong in the movie and he STILL does it. That's just not a problem Superman would have. It may be a difficult thing to do, but he would do it. His problem would be how he overcame his fear and difficulty in telling her goodbye, but he would tell her goodbye his problem would not be the fact that he DIDN"T say goodbye. The problems SUperman is shown havng in SR are not the problems Superman should have b/c he would not act in such a manner to get himself into that position. COnversely, I can see how a character would act like that and get into those type of problems. However, that is the thing, it is a different character, NOT Superman.

So a new character that had that type of story could be interesting. But SUperman is NOT that character. SR portrays a Superman-like character but NOT Superman.

To you.

So you're eliminating midi-chlorians as Jason's conception. OK I'm feeling silly. Don't mind me.

Angeloz

 

[mego joe]

To you.

And that's been the crux of the debate since the film came out, IMO. I just don't understand how it can be 'Superman.' I can understand liking it despite the mis-characterization and that's about taste. But I can't understand how his actions can be seen in character. I also firmly believe the subject matter has little or nothing to do with the essentials of a good Superman story. But I know this is the rift that divides the 'lovers' from the 'haters.'

So you're eliminating midi-chlorians as Jason's conception. OK I'm feeling silly. Don't mind me.

Angeloz

I usually feel silly!!

 

[Angeloz]

Why does it have to love or hate? Why not those with underwear and those without?

Still silly.

Angeloz

 

[mego joe]

Why does it have to love or hate? Why not those with underwear and those without?

Still silly.

Angeloz

If only it were that simple... ah underwear. I guess there's only one question left to ask...

Where do you fall in?

 

[Angeloz]

If only it were that simple... ah underwear. I guess there's only one question left to ask...

Where do you fall in?

I was wondering about yourself. Also if I freaked you out too much with that comment. 'Cos it probably is a bit radical. So any silly suggestions that might not be too naughty?

Angeloz

 

[mego joe]

I was wondering about yourself. Also if I freaked you out too much with that comment. 'Cos it probably is a bit radical. So any silly suggestions that might not be too naughty?

Angeloz

Right now, no, but that is not an all the time thing. And you...

 

[Angeloz]

Right now, no, but that is not an all the time thing. And you...

No suggestions? Or no underwear? Or both?

By the way I might have incurable silliness disease. It comes and goes. But seems to be a chronic condition.

Angeloz

 

[mego joe]

No suggestions? Or no underwear? Or both?

By the way I might have incurable silliness disease. It comes and goes. But seems to be a chronic condition.

Angeloz

No underwear.

Suggestions? I can be excruciatingly silly, so any silliness is most appreciated.

 

[Angeloz]

No underwear.

Suggestions? I can be excruciatingly silly, so any silliness is most appreciated.

Does that mean those that dislike "Superman Returns" don't wear underwear?

'Cos generally speaking as a woman it's just ill advised not to wear underwear. Except those few times when it's impractical eg. showers. And other activities.

Or should we turn it to those that have laces on their shoes and those that don't?

Angeloz

 

[mego joe]

Does that mean those that dislike "Superman Returns" don't wear underwear?

That's an interesing question, but I don't actually think there's any correlation between the two. But, you never said which camp you were in?

'Cos generally speaking as a woman it's just ill advised not to wear underwear. Except those few times when it's impractical eg. showers. And other activities.

Well, you SHOULDN'T really wear undies during THOSE activities should you? Unless of course it's the kind with the...

Or should we turn it to those that have laces on their shoes and those that don't?

The underewear is much more interesting.

Angeloz

 

[Angeloz]

I was also thinking of him wearing them on the outside (underwear or whatever you want to call them).

Angeloz

 

[mego joe]

I was also thinking of him wearing them on the outside (underwear or whatever you want to call them).

Angeloz

You know, I never really thought of those superhero briefs as underwear on the outside. I always just imagined it as a big one piece leotard designed with different color trunks for aesthetic reasons.

 

[Angeloz]

You know, I never really thought of those superhero briefs as underwear on the outside. I always just imagined it as a big one piece leotard designed with different color trunks for aesthetic reasons.

Nice thought. Though sometimes they were a might too big.

Angeloz

 

[Nightwing1977]

If only it were that simple... ah underwear. I guess there's only one question left to ask...

Where do you fall in?

I was wondering about yourself. Also if I freaked you out too much with that comment. 'Cos it probably is a bit radical. So any silly suggestions that might not be too naughty?

Angeloz

:heart: Are you 2 flirting or something? So much talk between you 2. :heart:

 

[Angeloz]

I don't know what he thinks but I don't mind if you join the fun.

Angeloz

 

[Nightwing1977]

I don't know what he thinks but I don't mind if you join the fun.

Angeloz

I prefer AgentPat join along with us instead of mega joe. Seeing as I'm straight & all. I don't believe in threesome with another guy. Another girl is ok.

 

[Angeloz]

I prefer AgentPat join along with us instead of mega joe. Seeing as I'm straight & all. I don't believe in threesome with another guy. Another girl is ok.

Hey I try to have innocent fun here. You're just naughty.

Angeloz

 

[The Joker_1000]

What does any of this have to do with SR?

 

[DrunkSquirrel]

What does any of this have to do with SR?

It is okay to slide off topic on occasion. Plus, i am interested in seeing how this soap opera unfolds.