Was the class 1-5 mutant stuff ever in the comic books?

[Exploding Boy]

That and Storm passes out whenever she does something extreme

 

[micky-fox]

That and Storm passes out whenever she does something extreme

What do you mean by extreme?

 

[Exploding Boy]

What do you mean by extreme?

Well. When she does things that arent in the normal range of her powers. Like control Earths something or other fields ect. It more depends on who writes her on how much she can handle.

 

[D-scythe]

So basically, being an Omega means you must have complete mastery over your skills? That simplifies it a lot.

Not complete mastery - infinite mastery. Take Magneto - even though he has amazing control of his powers, his abilities are still governed by the laws of physics pertaining to electromagnetism. To be an omega mutant means that either Magneto can actually manipulate/bend/twist these laws of physics to his desire, or that one day he has the potential to do so. So in theory, it doesn't matter if he can generate some electromagnetic reaction that can destroy planets - until he can bend the concept, the idea of electromagnetism to his will, he can never be an omega.

That's at least my understanding of the whole thing. Being classed as an omega mutant doesn't necessarily convey your destructive ability.

 

[micky-fox]

Not complete mastery - infinite mastery. Take Magneto - even though he has amazing control of his powers, his abilities are still governed by the laws of physics pertaining to electromagnetism. To be an omega mutant means that either Magneto can actually manipulate/bend/twist these laws of physics to his desire, or that one day he has the potential to do so. So in theory, it doesn't matter if he can generate some electromagnetic reaction that can destroy planets - until he can bend the concept, the idea of electromagnetism to his will, he can never be an omega.

That's at least my understanding of the whole thing. Being classed as an omega mutant doesn't necessarily convey your destructive ability.

Seems to make sense... but how can you bend the laws of physics with Magnetism. Aren't these the very laws that keep it as magnetism? Wouldn't any manipulation, bending or twisting turn it into another form of power? Do you have any examples or ideas on how Magneto could do this or what he could do if he did it?

 

[phoenixstorm]

No, basically being an omega level mutant means a writer employed by marvel who writes an X book made you one.

Its that simple.

The writers can make anyone they want an omega mutant just by altering there powers a bit like they did with Ice man.

This whole omega thing is really stupid. Jean is dead so just how much did it matter that she was omega whatever?

I used to read comics for the thrill and drama and characters, but its hard to be too concerned when omega level whoever has a problem. Thats why phoenix always dies and why she has become boring: because there's no suspense.

 

[D-scythe]

Seems to make sense... but how can you bend the laws of physics with Magnetism.

Realistically, it's impossible. But this is the Marvel universe

Aren't these the very laws that keep it as magnetism? Wouldn't any manipulation, bending or twisting turn it into another form of power? Do you have any examples or ideas on how Magneto could do this or what he could do if he did it?

I'm not a physicist, but I would wager it would involve something that a Marvel comic writer makes up that would go beyond magnetism, or that magnetism in some way can be manipulated to act or influence the other 3 fundamental physical forces (i.e. gravity, strong/weak nuclear) just like omega-class telekinetics can.

Actually, the four fundamental forces have been hypothesized to be elements of a single, unifying force (a concept that Einstein pursued to his grave). But as of yet it is still largely undefined, so if a Marvel writer wanted to make Magneto an omega electromagnetic mutant, he/she has a lot of abstract concepts he can work with the mold Magneto's powers as he wishes.

Keep in mind, realistically, this is all impossible. So there's no point in trying to approach the topic realistically.

 

[tclark10]

Ill do a quick throw in, i do remember a comic, might have been the Executioner's Song Saga, when they were all flying through space to the moon, Storm's power's were fading as she was getting further away from Earth's atmosphere. Clear example that her powers have limits, specially in space, but maybe limitless on Earth within an atmosphere.

 

[javon]

I half agree with that one (if thats possible,lol). When she was in space she gathered energy of an entire galactic core (millions of suns,planets, and stars). So why didn't she tire out then? And in Uncanny X-men #147 it stated that she has unlimited power. So0 I guess even the writers forget stuff sometimes.lol

 

[tclark10]

Nah i can totally agree with that, I mean X-cutioner's Song was how many years ago? They werent even thinking about Omega Mutants at the time, Apocalypse was still the most powerful at that time.

 

[micky-fox]

Realistically, it's impossible. But this is the Marvel universe

I'm not a physicist, but I would wager it would involve something that a Marvel comic writer makes up that would go beyond magnetism, or that magnetism in some way can be manipulated to act or influence the other 3 fundamental physical forces (i.e. gravity, strong/weak nuclear) just like omega-class telekinetics can.

Actually, the four fundamental forces have been hypothesized to be elements of a single, unifying force (a concept that Einstein pursued to his grave). But as of yet it is still largely undefined, so if a Marvel writer wanted to make Magneto an omega electromagnetic mutant, he/she has a lot of abstract concepts he can work with the mold Magneto's powers as he wishes.

Keep in mind, realistically, this is all impossible. So there's no point in trying to approach the topic realistically.

Who ever said I was trying to approach it realistically?

I just find it hard to imagine a way even a comic book character could manipulate magnetism beyond the level Magneto commands it without altering the magnetic principles that define it as magnetism. Magneto can manipulate it to control gravity. He uses it to defy gravity himself.

 

[D-scythe]

I just find it hard to imagine a way even a comic book character could manipulate magnetism beyond the level Magneto commands it without altering the magnetic principles that define it as magnetism. Magneto can manipulate it to control gravity. He uses it to defy gravity himself.

I don't think so. I was always under the impression that Magneto used some type of electromagnetic wave to enable him to fly/float.

As for the omega thing, it's what it seems like to me. Take Iceman for example - initially, his powers are mostly ice-based, but once more of his potential is reached, his powers beyond ice to total control of any type of water molecule.

 

[Gilpesh]

IMHO:

Omega = Their powers lift them above needing a human body

Iceman can stay as ice forever and live just as long.

Phoenix... is well Phoenix. She is still alive even though she is not in a body

And those are the two I know without pulling up another site.

 

[D-scythe]

IMHO:

Omega = Their powers lift them above needing a human body

Iceman can stay as ice forever and live just as long.

Phoenix... is well Phoenix. She is still alive even though she is not in a body

And those are the two I know without pulling up another site.

You're absolutely right. Never thought of it that way before.

 

[Gilpesh]

You're absolutely right.

I get that all the time...

 

[micky-fox]

I don't think so. I was always under the impression that Magneto used some type of electromagnetic wave to enable him to fly/float.

As for the omega thing, it's what it seems like to me. Take Iceman for example - initially, his powers are mostly ice-based, but once more of his potential is reached, his powers beyond ice to total control of any type of water molecule.

Maybe you're right. Magneto's ability to fly or 'levitate' has a lot of discussion potential. I'm not sure if anyone can fully explain this. I always thought the Earth's gravtational pull was based around magnetism. The core of the Earth and all that science crap... thus, Magneto can control that pull. That's how I've thought of it. He could do both, though. Use a magnetic pull or push to raise himself into the air... that one makes sense. At least we can be sure of that.

 

[tclark10]

IMHO:

Omega = Their powers lift them above needing a human body

Iceman can stay as ice forever and live just as long.

Phoenix... is well Phoenix. She is still alive even though she is not in a body

And those are the two I know without pulling up another site.
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Wouldn't Colossus be classified as that? He might need his body of course, but in his armour form it has been stated, that he doesnt need to breathe or eat, for an undetermined amount of time(maybe not at all). I guess it would all determine how long he could stay in his armoured form, which no one has ever answered.

 

[javon]

^Someone already wrote that. Gilpesh.

 

[tclark10]

^ I didnt see anybody write anything about Colossus?

 

[D-scythe]

Wouldn't Colossus be classified as that? He might need his body of course, but in his armour form it has been stated, that he doesnt need to breathe or eat, for an undetermined amount of time(maybe not at all). I guess it would all determine how long he could stay in his armoured form, which no one has ever answered.

Nope. Colossus actually needs a body, whether metal or not.

 

[tclark10]

^ I mentioned that part. And i wouldnt classify him as an Omega either, probly an Alpha, his strength is limited to a point. But as far as how long his lifespan will be who knows? He might not even age when he is in armoured form, so what if he was in it for over 10 years or so?

 

[javon]

His metal will get crusty and he'll be a cheap version of Doctor Doom?

 

[Gilpesh]

Wouldn't Colossus be classified as that? He might need his body of course, but in his armour form it has been stated, that he doesnt need to breathe or eat, for an undetermined amount of time(maybe not at all). I guess it would all determine how long he could stay in his armoured form, which no one has ever answered.

What I mean about not needed a human form is they can live on with no body and just as their essence. And Colossus (Metal or not) cannot do that.

 

[javon]

What do you mean essence?

 

[Gilpesh]

What do you mean essence?

Their mind or something, what makes them who they are.