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Watchmen Prequels

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WB may not see Watchmen as a possible franchise now, they first have to deal with it being a success on the big screen. So lets say the R-rated Watchmen movie has a budget of $100 million and makes $400 million world wide in late 2008/early 2009. That would be pretty good and eventually fans and Warner Bros. would want to turn Watchmen into a franchise. Some fans would hate it and would only want a Watchmen film. There are plenty of characters to choose from and others could always make cameos. Snyder said Watchmen will change the way superhero movies are made, Watchmen prequels could be some of those movies to introduce a different take on superheroes.

:) Rorschach & Nite Owl I-III: Nite Owl and Rorschach, working together, bring down Big Figure and the Underboss in 1965. And then that could lead to possibly two more prequels with Rorschach and Nite Owl. Focus more on the events leading up to Keane Act and then after. Perhaps do more foreshadowing of the Watchmen. The final Rorschach film could end with the start of Watchmen.

:) The Minutemen/The Minutemen Strike Again: The Minutemen were a group of superheroes that was formed before the events of Watchmen, between 1939 and disbanded ten years later in 1949.
Plenty of potential here for one or two films.

wikipedia said:
Nite Owl I

Hollis Mason was a policeman who became a "masked adventurer" after being inspired by the New York Gazette's article on Hooded Justice. After years of serving on The Minutemen, he wrote a book called "Under the Hood", which exposed much about the Minutemen, most notably the attempted rape of Sally Jupiter (Silk Spectre I) by The Comedian. After the dissolution of The Minutemen and the rise of Doctor Manhattan, he elected to retire and work on old cars, passing his mantle on to a fan, Dan Dreiberg, who would become Nite Owl II. Later, on Halloween, 1985, during the riot that broke out after Nite Owl II and Silk Spectre II freed Rorschach from prison, a violent street gang attacked Mason in his home, mistaking him for the current Nite Owl, and beat him to death in one of the most gruesome scenes in the novel.

Silk Spectre I

Sally Juspeczyk was an ex-waitress and burlesque dancer before becoming a crimefighter on the advice of her agent, and future husband, Laurence Schexnayder. Silk Spectre I was indecently assaulted by The Comedian, but the attack was ended upon Hooded Justice's intervention. An emotionally turbulent second encounter with the Comedian resulted in the birth of her daughter, Laurel, who would become Silk Spectre II. Silk Spectre I was involved in a tumultuous marriage with Schexnayder, which subsequently ended in divorce. Both her appearance in a Tijuana bible and her career as a burlesque dancer suggest she welcomes male attention. She later retires to a rest home in California.

Captain Metropolis

Nelson Gardner, an ex-Marine Lieutenant, was one of the more active proponents of The Minutemen group; he suggested that a collaboration of forces would be the most effective way to fight crime. "Social ills" motivate him to fight crime; however, what he defines as a "social ill", for example anti-war demonstration, belies the fact that his motivations for changing the world are selfish, or at least conservative, rather than pro bono publico, although he insists that this isn't true.

It is also suggested that he was involved in a homosexual relationship with Hooded Justice, thus necessitating a need for Sally Jupiter (Silk Spectre I) and Hooded Justice's sham relationship in order to keep the public from suspecting any relationship, which would subsequently damage the image of The Minutemen.

Hooded Justice

An extremely large, imposing figure, Hooded Justice, whose real identity is not revealed in Watchmen but who some claim is ex-circus strongman Rolf Muller, was the first of the costumed vigilantes. Strong rumours persist, implying that he was in fact a homosexual; Hooded Justice interferes with The Comedian’s attempt to rape Silk Spectre I, punching The Comedian. The Comedian’s response implies that Hooded Justice has a penchant for homosexual sadism, and that The Comedian will seek vengeance for his intervention. Sally Jupiter, or Silk Spectre I, posed as his girlfriend, but this was generally believed to be a sham relationship set-up to avoid anti-homosexual sentiments against The Minutemen.

Hooded Justice vanished when The Minutemen were questioned by the House Un-American Activities Committee, and was never seen again. There is speculation that he was killed by The Comedian, the results of the grudge that The Comedian held against him for interfering with his rape on Sally Jupiter.

Mothman

Something of a minor character, Byron Lewis was also investigated by HUAC, and had difficulty clearing his name. This is considered to be the starting point of the alcoholism that consigned him to a sanatorium. He is not a main focus of the storyline, but appears in flashbacks, at one point reduced in his later years to fragile sanity, unnerving the second Silk Spectre. He is regarded fondly by most of the Minutemen, and the first Nite Owl sends the second to visit him, uncostumed, on his behalf.

Dollar Bill

Dollar Bill was originally a star college athlete from Kansas who was actually employed as an in-house super-hero by one of the major, but unnamed, national banks. While attempting to stop a raid upon one of his employer's banks, his cloak became entangled in the bank's revolving door and he was shot dead at point blank range before he could free it. In "Under the Hood", Hollis Mason's tell-all book, he described Dollar Bill as an honest, friendly young man, and laments on the stupidity of capes because of this. Interestingly enough, Dollar Bill's clear commercial motivations (public identity, hired by a bank) are never commented on by his peers or the subsequent generation of vigilantes who all seem to regard him as a worthy hero - even Rorschach, who condemns Ozymandias for his commercialization, laments Dollar Bill's untimely death.

In the movie The Specials, the character of U.S. Bill was originally called Dollar Bill. However, DC would not allow the use of the name for a superhero character.

In the movie The Incredibles, there are two scenes with superheroes/villains whose capes have gotten caught or snagged on various objects, leading to their deaths. This could be based on Dollar Bill's accident, given the number of other possible references in the film, or it could be that the writers could have simply had the same idea.

Silhouette

Ursula Zandt became a crimefighter in 1939, and subsequently joined The Minutemen. In 1946 she was expelled from the group when it was publicly revealed that she was a lesbian; six weeks later she and her lover were killed by an adversary seeking revenge. A Jew who left Austria due to the rise of Nazism, she caused Sally Jupiter annoyance by refering to her Polish origins; Jupiter often denied her upbringing in Poland. Along with Mothman, she is one of The Minutemen about which little is known.

:) The Comedian: The events in the life of Blake, only touched upon or mentioned or not mentioned in Watchmen are now shown in more detail.

In the 1940s, Blake updated his Comedian uniform, after being stabbed by a small-time hood. He adopted a leather outfit that served as light body armor, adorned with short star-and-stripe-themed sleeves and a small happy face button. He retained the small domino mask and began carrying a pistol. He fought in World War II, becoming a war hero in the Pacific theater. It is also implied, but not directly stated, that he murdered Hooded Justice in revenge for the beating he suffered.

By the late 1960s, Blake had begun working as a covert government operative. Hollis Mason, the original Nite-Owl, had published his autobiography Under the Hood by this point and he disclosed the Comedian's sexual assault on Sally Jupiter/Silk Spectre, but Blake never sued him for it, interestingly enough. In 1966, he was invited to join the Crimebuster by Captain Metropolis, but he quickly ruined the older hero's hope of a new team by mocking him, claiming he was only doing it for vanity and glory, and even set his display on fire while saying that old fashioned crime fighting methods were not useful for saving the world when the threat of nuclear war lay overhead at all times. It was also here that the Comedian met his daughter, Laurie, now the new Silk Spectre, and asked her if her mother ever talked about him while lighting a cigarette for her, but their conversation was quickly broken up by an angry Sally Jupiter; the Comedian seemed genuinely perplexed that Sally was still holding a grudge against him, saying he thought they had settled their differences, and Laurie noted that the Comedian looked sad as he watched them drive away, and felt sorry for him until her mother told her of their past history (but still not telling Laurie that she was his daughter), after which she felt nothing but disgust and hatred towards him.

Alongside Doctor Manhattan, The Comedian played a major role in the United States' war with Vietnam. Shortly after Manhattan's godlike powers forced the north Vietnamese into full surrender, Blake was confronted by a woman he had made pregnant. He told her bluntly that he planned to leave the country immediately without her, and in a rage she slashed his face with a broken bottle. Blake shot and killed her. His injury led to a disfiguring scar that ran from his right eye down to the corner of his mouth; after this incident, he wore an enclosing leather gimp-style mask when dressed as The Comedian.

The costumed adventurers faced a massive backlash and rioting in the 1970s; in response, Congress passed the Keene Act, requiring all heroes to register with the government if they wished to remain active. The majority of them "retired" in anonymity; a few, like Ozymandias, publicly revealed their identities and capitalized on the sudden fame, while others, such as Rorschach, continued their activities in open defiance of the law. Doctor Manhattan and The Comedian were two of the few who registered with, and were employed by, the government.

Government-sponsored activity

It is strongly implied that Blake killed Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein before they could reveal the details of the Watergate scandal. In the series' alternate reality, Richard Nixon enjoyed unprecedented popularity and was able to serve four terms as President after a constitutional amendment. Blake was in Dallas, Texas, nominally as Nixon's bodyguard, on the day that John F. Kennedy was shot; it is also implied, although vaguely, that Blake either was the actual assassin or knew of the assassin's plot beforehand. The Iran hostage crisis in 1980 was resolved when Blake freed the captives after an assault.


What would you like to see?​
 
i am one of the fans that would hate a franchise. your ideas would make some pretty solid movies, but Watchmen can't be a franchise...it's Watchmen
 
No thanks. I have no desire to see it turned into a franchise, and I doubt it ever would. You don't see them planning a V for Vendetta sequel, do you?
 
No thanks. I have no desire to see it turned into a franchise, and I doubt it ever would. You don't see them planning a V for Vendetta sequel, do you?

What would that be about?

They have 45 years worth of potential storylines. Audiences are going to love Rorschach and other characters, and since he dies the only way fans can see him would be in a prequel set in the 60s or 70s. Going back to when the character was Kovacs as Rorschach and eventually just become Rorschach.
Some executive is going to watch the film, and look at the box office results and a lightbulb is going to go off with a prequel set in the mid60s in this alternate universe. All the studios want franchises.

What superhero film that has been a big success hasn't had a sequel? Marvel is re-making The Hulk, there was only 8 years between Batman & Robin and Batman Begins, Sony and Marvel want 6 Spider-Man films, Fox has a Wolverine and Magneto film in the works.

Plus Marvel has a about more than a dozen potential film franchises (Spidey, X-Men, F4, Blade, Ghost Rider, Hulk, Captain America, The Avengers, Iron Man, The Punisher, Doctor Strange, Ant-Man, Nick Fury, Namor and Luke Cage.)

What does WB/DC have? Batman, Superman, The Flash and maybe Green Lantern, Wonder Woman or JLA instead? They're going to want a another franchise to combat the 6 Spider-Man films, the 4-6+ X-Men films, the 3 Fantastic 4 films then Iron Man etc. Watchmen spinoffs/prequels can provide that.

Really I'm just adding another Watchmen thread to the forum, open more discussion other than potential casting and commentary on the latest news.
 
god, no! as much faith as i have in snyder, we're already pressing our luck making an initial watchmen film! the last thing we need is spin-off's!

and by the way, what the hell is everyones fascination with doing pre-quels?!
 
Would a world with global peace and Dan and Sally under new identities be an appealing film? Or going back and doing a French Connection like film with Rorschach and Nite Owl?
 
Let's call it "The Adventures of Li'l Watchmen" and make it a bit like "The Flinstone Kids".
It's as good an idea as the sequel to "Gone with the wind" starring Timothy Dalton and Joanne Whalley.
 
...no Prequels!!! Don't Give Hollywood Any Ideas!!!

I'm pretty sure they bring this up at meetings, "so can we make a sequel/prequel?" so nothing will stop them.

I knew some wouldn't be open to a film with Rorschach and Nite Owl in the 1960s but for some discussion - story ideas - screenwriters/directors (Greengrass? Hayter? Aronofsky? Snyder?) Use the alternate history etc.
 
They just seem pointless, really. They sound like boring action/adventure flicks with no real message or purpose to them. Going from something as smart and political as Watchmen to a buddy action movie with Nite Owl and Rorschach just seems dumb.
 
I'm pretty sure they bring this up at meetings, "so can we make a sequel/prequel?" so nothing will stop them.

I knew some wouldn't be open to a film with Rorschach and Nite Owl in the 1960s but for some discussion - story ideas - screenwriters/directors (Greengrass? Hayter? Aronofsky? Snyder?) Use the alternate history etc.
...It makes no sense to have prequels, it would alienate Moore fans.. I highly doubt anyone who respects comics would even think about doing this, The Watchmen is a one movie deal.
 
They just seem pointless, really. They sound like boring action/adventure flicks with no real message or purpose to them. Going from something as smart and political as Watchmen to a buddy action movie with Nite Owl and Rorschach just seems dumb.

...It makes no sense to have prequels, it would alienate Moore fans.. I highly doubt anyone who respects comics would even think about doing this, The Watchmen is a one movie deal.

WB greenlit Catwoman, Batman & Robin, Steel etc. they don't seem to respect comic books. Plus Marvel has more than a dozen potential franchises so someone at WB is going to want to make more $ from Watchmen.


http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9982

Q: Finally, this year will likely end up being one of the biggest for comics in other media. "Ghost Rider" performed above expectations, as did "300." There's "TMNT" coming out in a few weeks, but on the more mature side we also have "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer" and "Spider-Man 3" seeing release this summer. Now, "300" is kind of the next evolution in comic based films in the way you presented the material and filmed it. So, what's next? What do you see as the next evolution in comics inspired films?

SNYDER: Well, the evolution with "Watchmen" is not a visual one as much as it's a revolution of ideas in the sense that I don't think comic book heroes have ventured into pop culture in the way that they do in "Watchmen." I don't think they've been politicized and I don't think anyone's seen super heroes do what they might do in reality. There's no super heroes that have been rapists or have tried to assassinate presidents or win wars, and that's a huge deal. Also, audiences have never seen super heroes have trouble with impotency or a bad guy who wants world peace.

There's a lot of crazy concepts in "Watchmen" that I think will end up being the next evolution. In some ways it's the first time a comic based movie - and I don't really count films like "Road to Perdition" or "History of Violence" as they don't feature super heroes, so I don't count those as "comic book" movies necessarily - but I think when you see a movie with a super hero in it that acknowledges his super hero pedigree, you see him doing adult stuff in a cool way, I don't know what it means, but it sure is something else and something new for super hero films.


If they were to incorporate mature themes, maintained a similiar tone into the "buddy film" would that be acceptable? If it was "The Godfather Part II" of comic books?

I could care less if there were spinoffs just that if WB wanted to make one I would probably go see it and open to it if the right people were behind it.
 
If they were to incorporate mature themes, maintained a similiar tone into the "buddy film" would that be acceptable? If it was "The Godfather Part II" of comic books?

I could care less if there were spinoffs just that if WB wanted to make one I would probably go see it and open to it if the right people were behind it.
The only right people behind it should be Alan Moore, who didn't want to produce anything else related to Watchmen, because to him it was a self contained story. Coppola made The Godfather II with Puzo, I strongly doubt someone will convince Alan Moore to work on another chapter in the lives of the Watchmen.
 
The only right people behind it should be Alan Moore, who didn't want to produce anything else related to Watchmen, because to him it was a self contained story. Coppola made The Godfather II with Puzo, I strongly doubt someone will convince Alan Moore to work on another chapter in the lives of the Watchmen.

Well, I remember reading a rumor that when Moore and DC fell out, he was doing a continutation of the Watchmen universe, but who knows, I could be wrong. :o

As for the prequels...I'm going to have to say no to movies. But, I wouldn't be surprised if DC gets some name writers and artists to make small prequels like that for the release of the movie (it was done for both Superman Returns and TMNT, so who knows?).
 
THe problem with those ideas is that Watchmen is an allegorical film, it has a very strong message. Those spin-offs would be strong movies most likely but it'd lose that allegorical touch, and simply become a solid superhero movie franchise, would I be against that, probably not, but it would defiantely change what watchmen is all about.
 
As for the prequels...I'm going to have to say no to movies. But, I wouldn't be surprised if DC gets some name writers and artists to make small prequels like that for the release of the movie (it was done for both Superman Returns and TMNT, so who knows?).
If they dare to do it, Alan Moore will evoke Glycon to kill all the first born babies of the DC staff.
 
WB greenlit Catwoman, Batman & Robin, Steel etc. they don't seem to respect comic books. Plus Marvel has more than a dozen potential franchises so someone at WB is going to want to make more $ from Watchmen.

Yeah, and those movies all blew. All i'm saying is that WB should not make these, and I would be very unhappy if they did. That's not to say I dont think they will, although I dont. I'm just saying they shouldn't.

But they wont. It's one thing to continue a franchise based on a long running comic book, eventually making it very, very bad. It's completely different to adapt a comic book, then randomly make up prequels and sequels with no basis.

Maybe once we get a V for Vendetta prequel, some Lord of the Rings sequels, and Harry Potter 8. Then maybe i'll believe this could happen.
 
Yeah, and those movies all blew. All i'm saying is that WB should not make these, and I would be very unhappy if they did. That's not to say I dont think they will, although I dont. I'm just saying they shouldn't.

But they wont. It's one thing to continue a franchise based on a long running comic book, eventually making it very, very bad. It's completely different to adapt a comic book, then randomly make up prequels and sequels with no basis.

Maybe once we get a V for Vendetta prequel, some Lord of the Rings sequels, and Harry Potter 8. Then maybe i'll believe this could happen.

The Hobbit will be made eventually, once New Line's rights expire at the end of the year. And it will most likely be two films.

Harry Potter is not a comic book, DC doesn't have the rights to the Potter character. But you know if they did, a seqeul with an adult Harry would be made.

V for Vendetta didn't pull in a large enough box office haul. The R-rated 300 has $162 million domestically right now, basically ensuring that next film Zack Snyder does will be a box office hit.

There is more material, more potential for a Watchmen spinoff then the films you mentioned. Its taking flashback scenes from within the mini-series and filling in the blanks. Just imagine if Watchmen was another 5 issues long going into more detail about the past of The Comedian, Nite Owl and Rorschach. How many writers tried to adapt the Watchmen? There are plenty of skilled Hollywood and comic book writers that could flesh out films.

And as I said, Marvel has over 12 potential franchises and how many does WB have? They have Batman and Superman with the possibility of Flash and JLA. They could be done in about six years while Marvel will have Spider-
Man 4 & 5, Fantastic Four 3, Iron Man 2, Wolverine, The Incredible Hulk 1 & 2, Magneto, Ghost Rider 2, possibly X-Men 4, The Avengers, Captain America, Nick Fury and, more on the horizon, boosting their comic book and graphic novels to new heights. Plus the slew of merchandise they would sell. A Superman sequel doesn't seem to fill WB with the confidence that it should.

If Watchmen is a hit, and its your job to make WB money what are you going to do? Quit your job? No you greenlight an attractive spinoff with the most popular character. Yes there is no additional books or stories to adapt but that doesn't mean they can't find a writer who will fit the existing characters/themes into a new movie set in the 1960s.

Universal is filming the second Mummy sequel this summer. (and they managed to squeeze a prequel with The Scorpion King as well, a randomly made up film). If Planet of the Apes did better at the box office we would've seen a sequel by now.

A 300 sequel is in the works - did anyone think there would be a sequel to 300?

Hollywood loves sequels since the move already has a audience and they want to see the film. You've got Indy 4, Die Hard 4 Rambo 4 and Terminator 4 all coming to theatres, do you think those are necessary? I agree, their shouldn't be a sequel but Hollywood has too much evidence against it.
 
wasnt the 300 sequel rumor just that?

and from my understanding of the article, it would be another Frank Miller greek/mythology type movie, not necessarily "301"
 
There will never be that much demand for WATCHMEN prequel films. Prequel COMICS, I can see, but not films.
 
If they dare to do it, Alan Moore will evoke Glycon to kill all the first born babies of the DC staff.

Nah, I think he would want to get up, close and personal with his enemy--he'd want to feel the hot blood hit his skin and smell their last breathes. :wow:

But, Moorison is hanging around DC now, so it actually could go either way. :o
 
F*** that sh**. You don't ruin a story like Watchmen by franchising it. End.of.discussion.
 
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Maybe once we get a V for Vendetta prequel,

They could do the American Civil War that's mentioned, show the politics in how the war became. It would probably do better than V did in North America.
 
The Hobbit will be made eventually, once New Line's rights expire at the end of the year. And it will most likely be two films.

The Hobbit? You mean that book that already exists and was written many, many years ago? Yeah, doesn't count. That's why i chose to say sequel, because i'm referring to them adapting a popular source material, then making sequels and prequels that shouldn't exist.

Or fine, do you think they'll mae a prequel to The Hobbit after it comes out? No, because there's no basis for it. No one wants to see a Middle Earth movie not based off a Tolkein book, just like no one wants a Watchmen movie not written by Alan Moore.

Besides, hopefully the actors they cast will be respectable, and will decide not to return i they see a ****ty-ass script for a prequel, which i guarantee it will be. "So, you just did this epic, philosophical and politically complex film, wanna do a buddy superhero prequel?!?"
 

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