Homecoming Web of friends/supporting characters

[Webhead2006]

for me it be saying oh just cause we had emma or dane as harry lets not use them. That is foolish to say. As marvel ie kevin has said he want to play more with the supporting players in the spidey mythos. And with so many never been done to not being used. I am sure we wil got all the key players. IE mj, harry, gwen, flash are for sure to be here. Then others like liz, sally, kenny, to down the road like randy, glory, debra and felica should all appear over the course of films and other mcu appearances. As their is so much more we can do now and so many guys i really want to see played out. But i dont want to use every one right off the bat mind you. I rather for hs time leave it be liz, sally, mj, gwen, harry, flash and kenny for midtown. Then leave esu/collage time for characters like fleica, randy, debra and so forth. Its not like we will need every one be in every film. We could see like kenny or sally or even flash for like 2 films. Then leave. And we introduce and bring in others for later films.


As for gwen and ki;ling her. They could easily change her dying in a different way or by a different villain. Or she could easily just leave peter and move away and we dont see her. Their is so many ways they can go about things. Just like with harry and mj. There is many directions and story beats they can take.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Gwen in TASM series is one of the most overrated CBM character performances in the last five years.

Agreed.

 

[ernesth100]

For the first film.

-Friends: Harry and MJ
-Family: Aunt May, Uncle Ben(flashbacks)
Supporting Characters: Norman Osborn, J Jonah Jameson, The Rest of the Bugle, Flash and the Midtown Crew

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Stone was great as Gwen. She might have been definitive if she was in a better spider-man series. But, like everything else, she can be replaced.

As can J.K.

 

[PeterBenParker]

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Gwen in TASM series is one of the most overrated CBM character performances in the last five years.. At least in my opinion.

Right, much like it's your opinion that TASM2 suit is -insert barf emoticon-.

And basically what you're saying is that an essential character shouldn't be included because the previous actress was well-received by audiences.

My whole argument is that it'll be difficult to get audiences to adjust/accept a new portrayal of Gwen, let alone a new actress in the role of Gwen -- especially in the first friggin' film of this new series (which is what your post claims).

Why did so many people compare Maguire's Peter Parker/Spider-Man to Garfield's Peter Parker/Spider-Man (despite it being a reboot)? Easy, Maguire's performance was still fresh in the minds of audiences/critics so naturally some had trouble getting on board with the new take of Peter Parker.

Would you not have people claim it's too soon to have Gwen back again after how she was handled in the previous series? I mean, come 2017 it'll be 3 years removed from seeing the character which is even less time when you compare the last entry of the original series (SM3) to the reboot (TASM).

And MJ & Gwen can both appear, I don't see why she has to be a love interest? (If that's what you're implying) they are many routes they can take the character to distance themselves from Stone's portrayal.

Oh, they can both appear but I'd definitely hold off on Gwen until at least a sequel.

The only way I see the GA/Critics accepting a new take on Gwen is if they use a different version of her (Ultimate, as an example) or make a different move altogether like not including her.

For the argument of reusing her, it'd have to be something fresh and different enough to deviate itself from the past series so any comparison would be seen as a nit-pick as opposed to legit criticism (much like using a 19 year old actor to play a teenager as opposed to a late 20-something playing a teenager is something fresh and different).

For the argument of not reusing her, we've just seen her and seen her done quite well. Gone is the rotten taste of whatever Spider-Man 3's take was supposed to be and instead we were welcomed with a much more faithful adaptation of the character (with some few modifications/adjustments) played wonderfully by Emma Stone.

Either way, her being in the new series or not being in the new series is something that just doesn't bug me.

And Stone's Gwen is not comparable to JK Simmons's DEFINITIVE portrayal of J. Jonah Jameson. Not in the slightest.

Care to explain? Because if it has anything to do with these (looking at Gwen in TASM and TASM2)..

1. Having her know Peter's double life as opposed to not knowing it.
2. Having her loving Peter and Spider-Man as opposed to loving Peter and hating Spider-Man.
3. Having her be killed in a clocktower instead of on a bridge.
4. Having her be smarter than Peter.
5. Having her be killed by Harry as opposed to Norman.

..then I'm gonna having difficulty buying it.

The last series focused heavily on Gwen Stacy with Emma Stone being one of the most praised aspects of that reboot. So, yes, if they reintroduce Gwen in the first film they'll be inviting direct comparison/criticism.

Thank you.

But I could see them introducing Gwen in a sequel.

Which is why I said:

Gwen could come later on when they're ready to introduce her or just not include her at all.

Either way, having her in the mix (or out of) doesn't bother me.

Or I could see them not using her at all. Most Spider-Man adaptations don't include her if there's no intention of telling the story of her death. I doubt they're going to redo TNGSD. Without it, the character becomes less essential.

, especially to the bold.

Also:

People would get over it

Having a brand new Peter is pretty jarring but they still did it

Much to the dismay of many, especially those who loved and/or grew up with the original series (in the case of Raimi to Webb) or to those who loved Garfield and wanted him with Marvel (in the case of Webb to Watts).

So yes, people would get over it but it'll certainly take a bit.

Stone was great as Gwen. She might have been definitive if she was in a better spider-man series. But, like everything else, she can be replaced.

As can J.K.

Yes, which is why I said (in regards to Gwen, but can also be applied for J.K.):

Not saying it won't be possible, but it'll be a challenge.

 

[Webhead2006]

Personally I feel these are guys we like to see in first film. And remember not every one needs or will have a big or large role. Some characters could end up being a minor role or only appear for a scene or two.

So I still see midtown crew:
Harry
Mj
Gwen
Flash
Kenny
Liz
Sally
And peter

With more emphasis on peter harry gwen mj and flash. With liz, sally and kenny more smaller role.

Parkers, watsons, stacey's:
May in major role.
Ben a flash back or two a more cameo type role.

As for the watsons and stacey's counting which girls in the first film and how big of role. For Watson I want to see Anna and mentions of mj mom and dad and there bad relationship. Stacey's probably just see her dad and mention her mom and siblings.

Bugle crew:
Jjj and robbie bigger role then rest of bugle crew.
Betty supporting probably show up in 2 or 3 scenes
Ned in a supporting role but only a few scenes
Brock- in a minor cameo type role.

 

[ernesth100]

Again, take inspiration from Spectacular Spider-Man!

 

[harryoscop]

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Srry

Darn it, PBP! I can't write a super long reply post anymore, I'm on a character limit. (Android cracked, getting a new one for Xmas) Great post though, and a lot of good points. I'm going to try my best to adress them:

- Even if fans do throw a hissy fit about Gwen like Maguire when Garfield was announced, why the heck would Marvel care? they certainly didn't care what fans thought about Mandiran in IM3 because they know it will have no impact on the BO & people will still flock to the theaters to see it. If Feige sees great story opportunities with Gwen then he's going to use her and I doubt the outrage will be as big as when the MCU reboot/Tom casting was announced.

- And yes, for the reasons you listed I don't consider Stone's version of the character to be the 'Definitive' portrayal of Gwen, she was good but definitely not 'Definitive' , and I think she can be done better.

Wouldn't seeing USM Gwen.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

They kinda cared about the Mandarin though. With what they did in the All hail the king short

 

[harryoscop]

They kinda cared about the Mandarin though. With what they did in the All hail the king short

Maybe they'll do an TASM short, updating the fans on what Peter, Harry & Aunt May have been up to.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Maybe they'll do an TASM short, updating the fans on what Peter, Harry & Aunt May have been up to.

That would be confusing as ****. I'd take that as the start of the spidey-verse though

 

[SpeterMan3]

Again, take inspiration from Spectacular Spider-Man!

FTFY

 

[Webhead2006]

Personally their is no reasons marvel won't use all the big players. There is plently of stories to still tell. And many ways they can do things different from the past two series.

Do folks really think we would not see ben parker at all. Even with all the stuff of not a origin story. There is still ways to include ben and not bog down on origin stuff.

Just like doing mj, gwen and even norman. Just cause past series used x guys. Marvel will take things differently. And hopefully improve on areas the past films didn't get to or didn't do right. I for one want to see all the leading ladies in peter life. I want a good over arching deal with norman and goblin Id and hopefully big push in greater mcu too. And same goes with the bugle they really haven't used those guys well.

 

[Poppy]

As for gwen and ki;ling her. They could easily change her dying in a different way or by a different villain. Or she could easily just leave peter and move away and we dont see her. Their is so many ways they can go about things. Just like with harry and mj. There is many directions and story beats they can take.

I really hope Gwen is part of this reboot and we get to see her 'real' death. One of my favorite thing in the spidey mytho is how Peter was responsible for her death. But in the tasm movie Peter didn't catch her in time, it looked too much more like an accident.

I would die if we could the real version and the audience could hear the 'Snap'. And one of my other favorite part of her death, was Peter's reaction. It was so confident and cocky "I saved you hehehe" when he was actually holding a dead body without knowing yet.

It was much more tragic and I want this version. They could do it in the 1st movie.Like you said, it could be an other villian since Tasm 2 is still pretty recent, I wouldn't mind. They could even use a bridge this time.

 

[spiderman2]

I really hope Gwen is part of this reboot and we get to see her 'real' death. In tasm 2 she hit her head? It wasn't really clear. One of my favorite thing in the spidey mytho is how Peter was responsible for her death. But in the tasm movie Peter didn't catch her in time, it looked too much more like an accident.

I would die if we could the real version and the audience could hear the 'Snap'. And one of my other favorite part of her death, was Peter's reaction. It was so confident and cocky "I saved you hehehe" when he was actually holding a dead body without knowing yet.

It was much more tragic and I want this version. They could do it in the 1st movie.Like you said, it could be an other villian since Tasm 2 is still pretty recent, I wouldn't mind. They could even use a bridge this time.

I don't see how it wasn't clear. You could see her whole body hit the ground and you could hear a thud to. How is that confusing?

 

[Webhead2006]

There is no reasons marv3l wouldn't use everyone. I brought up point before kevin has said he wants to play more with supporting players. And many like randy Gloria. Kong, liz, sally and others have never been used or what not. Plus come on you really think if they really want to play out hs life we only see harry, flash and either mj or gwen. This is where we can play with relationships and friendships. And not all characters need to be around all the time or have big roles. I would be greatly disapointed if we don't see folks like liz, sally, and others have a shot.

 

[Young Superman]

I can't see anyone being able to play a better J. Jonah Jameson then J. K. Simmons.

 

[Webhead2006]

he would be great to have back. And slap on the stach and a wig he doesnt look all that much older even though its been about what 8 or so yrs since sm3. I do epect jjj/robbie to be in the 50s-60s range as for age and if i rcecall jk just turned 60. So he still isnt that old.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

get that midtown crew dynamic from spectacular, that **** was great

This, and that would be awesome. Flash's crew--was it Ox used in the SSM show? I just remember the Ultimate comics. I'd love to finally see Liz Allan, too.

 

[Webhead2006]

Tssm had randy and kong kong who was from ultimate comics.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

^ Woops. Thanks. Just looked it up. I was confusing Ox with Kong. Ox was an Enforcer in the Ultimates.

Gah..that just goes to show how out of touch I've been with Spidey. I guess it's from keeping my excitement and trying to keep my expectations at a low.

 

[Webhead2006]

ox was enforcer too in classic line too. OX, fancy dan and monatana are the enforcers names.

But ya i really want to see them use more supporting guys. Now i dont want to just dump all in hs like randy, gloria, debra i rather have those as guys to hold off to collage time. To replace folks like kong, or sally who i wouldnt expect to be around for good but to be there in hs then we move on from them. While we keep harry, mj, flash, liz and then bring in randy, gloria, etc.

 

[AvegningSpider]

Oh right, forgot about this thread!

 

[Majik1387]

Never even knew this thread was made.

Personally, I can't wait to see more of the high school characters this time around.

 

[AvegningSpider]

Me too to be honest, and since we were talking about the Midtown characters in the MJ Thread (Specially Flash), would it be that much of a change if Flash was a closeted homosexual (excuse me everyone if i ofend someone by saying this) in the new MCU Spider-Man?