Well, it's now official. Canada is on its way out of being a nation.

[J. J. Jameson]

Like I've said so many times before....


LOL @ CANADA!

 

[Mr Sparkle]

isn't this how many nations have been born?

 

[triplefive]

I don't get how you're reading this article and getting that Quebec will be anything other than a province with a different title. They already do their pension plans separate from the rest of the country, they tax separately, use a different judicial system and they administrate separately.

It's just semantics, and an attempt for the Tories to gain favour where they've lost some. Quebec isn't going anywhere.

 

[Themanofbat]

Hey Quebecois, we're in north america, SPEAK THE LANGUAGE

Which one? English, Spanish, French, Mexican???

 

[Themanofbat]

It will happen, if not this time, then perhaps next time.

A nation ultimately cannot stand when a significant portion of the population wants out.

We should work harder at pushing Quebec out.

Any proposals on how we can get rid of you???

 

[War Lord]

I don't get how you're reading this article and getting that Quebec will be anything other than a province with a different title. They already do their pension plans separate from the rest of the country, they tax separately, use a different judicial system and they administrate separately.

It's just semantics, and an attempt for the Tories to gain favour where they've lost some. Quebec isn't going anywhere.

I disagree. The more separate parts of a nation become, whether in practical terms or just symbolic terms, the more likely that the nation will break up.

 

[War Lord]

Any proposals on how we can get rid of you???

I can be bought cheap. Just mail me a certified cheque for about $50 million and I'll be gone the day after I cash it.

 

[Themanofbat]

I disagree. The more separate parts of a nation become, whether in practical terms or just symbolic terms, the more likely that the nation will break up.

Kind of like Harper can ok all the oil company restraints that Alberta insists upon, yet will fight against the same rights for Newfoundland... because the oil companies don't want the restraints.

 

[War Lord]

Kind of like Harper can ok all the oil company restraints that Alberta insists upon, yet will fight against the same rights for Newfoundland... because the oil companies don't want the restraints.

How is that relevent?

 

[triplefive]

I disagree. The more separate parts of a nation become, whether in practical terms or just symbolic terms, the more likely that the nation will break up.

There's nothing practical about this political decision. Everyone knows that. And the symbolic difference means nothing. It's like Yukon, NWT and Nunavut. Even the Bloq isn't fooled by that.

They're going to keep fighting but they're not going to get their way.

 

[Themanofbat]

I can be bought cheap. Just mail me a certified cheque for about $50 million and I'll be gone the day after I cash it.

I can buy a pair of concrete shoes (sized to your weight) for about 50 bucks, and I'll be rid of you that much cheaper.

 

[Themanofbat]

How is that relevent?

Alberta gets "special treatment"... which is what your against Quebec having.

Get it?

 

[War Lord]

There's nothing practical about this political decision. Everyone knows that. And the symbolic difference means nothing. It's like Yukon, NWT and Nunavut. Even the Bloq isn't fooled by that.

They're going to keep fighting but they're not going to get their way.

The Yukon, NWT, and Nunavut are the responsibility of the federal government because they are territories, not provinces.

Quebec is a province and it won't take long for this supposedly symbolic move to become quite practical and concrete.

 

[War Lord]

Alberta gets "special treatment"... which is what your against Quebec having.

Get it?

Resources belong to the provinces, not the feds. There is no special treatment that Alberta is getting that it's not already entitled to.

The only thing Danny Williams is fighting the feds is trying to keep his federal subsidy and the oil revenues.

 

[triplefive]

The Yukon, NWT, and Nunavut are the responsibility of the federal government because they are territories, not provinces.

Quebec is a province and it won't take long for this supposedly symbolic move to become quite practical and concrete.

What I meant was, do you think the creation Nunavut really changed things that much up there? The federal budget is distributed differently but I doubt spending has changed much from before.

 

[War Lord]

What I meant was, do you think the creation Nunavut really changed things that much up there? The federal budget is distributed differently but I doubt spending has changed much from before.

Would you really be saying the same thing if the feds consented to any other province being a nation within a nation? Would you really say that nothing has changed?

I personally support a decentralized Canada, because that was the way it was set up. However, that still meant that provinces were still provinces.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

We should work harder at pushing Quebec out.

No constipation jokes after this = another dead holiday at the Hype.

 

[triplefive]

Would you really be saying the same thing if the feds consented to any other province being a nation within a nation? Would you really say that nothing has changed?

I personally support a decentralized Canada, because that was the way it was set up. However, that still meant that provinces were still provinces.

No, because no other province is in remotely the same situation.

The formation of Quebec was completely distinctive from the rest of the country. And at present, the province is already different in nearly all of the ways that it counts.

Anyway, I'm bored of you. Move to the States and call it a day.

No constipation jokes after this = another dead holiday at the Hype.

Probably because nobody could be bothered to read through this thread. Who cares about Canada on American Thanksgiving?

 

[War Lord]

No, because no other province is in remotely the same situation.

The formation of Quebec was completely distinctive from the rest of the country. And at present, the province is already different in nearly all of the ways that it counts.

Anyway, I'm bored of you. Move to the States and call it a day.

Probably because nobody could be bothered to read through this thread. Who cares about Canada on American Thanksgiving?

You're incorrect on this one. Alberta, for example, is very much a distinct province in its own way. We're far more conservative than the rest of Canada, for example. And every other province is just as distinct as any other.

 

[triplefive]

You're incorrect on this one. Alberta, for example, is very much a distinct province in its own way. We're far more conservative than the rest of Canada, for example. And every other province is just as distinct as any other.

Multipartisanship is a cornerstone of our country. Being Conservative has absolutely NOTHING to do with it.

Was Alberta founded by another country? No.
Does Alberta have its own official language? No.
Does Alberta use a civil law judicial system while the rest of the country uses common law? No.
Did Alberta take the option to opt-out of the CPP and create its own system? No.


ETA: Not to mention that no other province has a nationally-recognized political party devoted solely to its representation.

 

[Matt]

Canada will never be annexed. The population is too big, which means it would create several new states and drastically change the set up of both Congress and the electoral college, factor that in with too much of a cultural difference and the fact that it will screw over too many politicians and possibly even lead to a prominent third party.

Never gonna happen.

 

[Themanofbat]

Resources belong to the provinces, not the feds. There is no special treatment that Alberta is getting that it's not already entitled to.

The only thing Danny Williams is fighting the feds is trying to keep his federal subsidy and the oil revenues.

The Newfoundland Government is fighting for THE EXACT SAME treatment that Alberta has for Oil Companies that are in Alberta.

Alberta has a clause in its agreements with the Oil Companies that STATE that said oil company MUST use ANY and ALL oil that it finds in Alberta within FIVE years. Otherwise, the oil will go to another company.

Oil companies hate this agreement because it forces them to use a resource they'd rather sit on and wait for a time when itwould be economically feasable for them to use it (ie, when they can milk more money out of the North American consumer)

Now that they have oil in Newfoundland, Oil Companies don't want that agreement clause in their because they don't like it. And Harper is more willing to side with the Oil Companies than an "Eastern Province" that means little or next to nothing to him. Because in Stephen Harper's view of Canada, it has Alberta and possibly BC in there and the rest of us can be damned to hell.

So IF, as you said, that resources belong to the provinces, they by all rights, JUST LIKE IN ALBERTA, Harper should be backing Danny Williams' demands to be treated the same as Alberta.

But that ain't happening....

 

[Themanofbat]

Canada will never be annexed. The population is too big, which means it would create several new states and drastically change the set up of both Congress and the electoral college, factor that in with too much of a cultural difference and the fact that it will screw over too many politicians and possibly even lead to a prominent third party.

Never gonna happen.

Not to mention that the American Government can't be bothered with our internal bickering.

The Americans have the perfect scenario going.... we self governement ourselves, and we take care (or attempt to) of our troubles, and as long as we don't stir the pot too much, the US leaves us alone. In the meantime, the US continually test their weapons in the North and can basically do what they want here... but they like to make us think that we are our own Nation that can act and think for itself.

 

[Matt]

Not to mention that the American Government can't be bothered with our internal bickering.

The Americans have the perfect scenario going.... we self governement ourselves, and we take care (or attempt to) of our troubles, and as long as we don't stir the pot too much, the US leaves us alone. In the meantime, the US continually test their weapons in the North and can basically do what they want here... but they like to make us think that we are our own Nation that can act and think for itself.

Well, look at it this way, at least your government has enough decency to give its people health care. As for us, our government is too busy butting into other people's business to worry about its own citizens

 

[redmarvel]

It will happen, if not this time, then perhaps next time.

A nation ultimately cannot stand when a significant portion of the population wants out.

We should work harder at pushing Quebec out.

I disagree. We need Quebec. Forget for a minute that without it we would have a country split in two and you'ld have to drive through a foreign country to get from Ontario to any of the Eastern Provinces. Forget for a minute that most of our laws and political requirements are based on the "two language" system. Forget for a minute the contributions Quebec has made to Canadian music. We would still need Quebec, why, because we need someone to argue with that CAN'T win. Without Quebec the only folk we have to argue with are the American's and we can't afford to win arguments with them too often (they might get upset and aim their big guns at us).