Well, it's now official. Canada is on its way out of being a nation.

[Themanofbat]

I disagree. We need Quebec. Forget for a minute that without it we would have a country split in two and you'ld have to drive through a foreign country to get from Ontario to any of the Eastern Provinces. Forget for a minute that most of our laws and political requirements are based on the "two language" system. Forget for a minute the contributions Quebec has made to Canadian music. We would still need Quebec, why, because we need someone to argue with that CAN'T win. Without Quebec the only folk we have to argue with are the American's and we can't afford to win arguments with them too often (they might get upset and aim their big guns at us).

That kind of logic will go over jonty's head...

 

[Darthphere]

Its pretty sad how desperate Jonty is to be an American.

 

[War Lord]

I disagree. We need Quebec. Forget for a minute that without it we would have a country split in two and you'ld have to drive through a foreign country to get from Ontario to any of the Eastern Provinces. Forget for a minute that most of our laws and political requirements are based on the "two language" system. Forget for a minute the contributions Quebec has made to Canadian music. We would still need Quebec, why, because we need someone to argue with that CAN'T win. Without Quebec the only folk we have to argue with are the American's and we can't afford to win arguments with them too often (they might get upset and aim their big guns at us).

1. We don't need Quebec and we have no right to keep her if she ultimately wants out.

2. I have no plans on visiting Newfoundland or the Eastern seaboard in the near future anyway.

3. Laws and constitutions can be changed.

4. Doesn't matter what a province's contributions to a country is, if they really want out, it's not worth a fight to keep them. It's like being married, if a spouse wants out, you're probably better off without them anyway.

5. You can always argue with Albertans, they're always willing to put up a fight and they want to stay in Canada.

 

[JLBats]

Christ, Jonty, just move to America

I'm just saying, crossing your fingers and praying for an annexing so you can

live my dream!!

seems incredibly lame and petty, and a long way to go when a simple "getting the hell out" would suffice.

 

[Kyalesyin]

5. You can always argue with Albertans, they're always willing to put up a fight and they want to stay in Canada.

Surely Albertans are canadians too?

 

[Themanofbat]

1. We don't need Quebec and we have no right to keep her if she ultimately wants out.

2. I have no plans on visiting Newfoundland or the Eastern seaboard in the near future anyway.

3. Laws and constitutions can be changed.

4. Doesn't matter what a province's contributions to a country is, if they really want out, it's not worth a fight to keep them. It's like being married, if a spouse wants out, you're probably better off without them anyway.

5. You can always argue with Albertans, they're always willing to put up a fight and they want to stay in Canada.

Most Albertans think their sh****t doesn't stink like most Quebercers do...

And ultimately, you have no idea whether the people of Quebec want out, because everytime they have a referendum on the issue, the Stay in Canada side ultimately wins, regardless of how close the margins are.

 

[TwoMinutesHate]

I think the whole reason Quebec wants to separate is so they can have their own hockey team at the Worlds and Olympics, so here is what I think we should do:

After this NHL season is over, we have our own version of the Summit Series: Canada vs. Quebec. Except this will just be a best of 7 and there will be no ties. The winner of the series gets to decide Quebec's fate.


Anyways, to be serious for two minutes, I think that they should just have another referendum; a final referendum. If Quebec votes to stay in Canada, again, then that's final, they will stay a province within Canada and there will never be another referendum. If hey choose to separate, then that is final, they get to separate and we won’t have to hear their whining anymore.

If they do separate though, will the Montreal Canadiens have to change their name?

 

[Matt]

1. We don't need Quebec and we have no right to keep her if she ultimately wants out.

Did America have the right to keep the South Jonty?

 

[Darthphere]

Oh snap! Civil War-OFF!

 

[War Lord]

Did America have the right to keep the South Jonty?

I don't think Canadians are willing to go to war to keep Quebec. I know for sure that I ain't willing to fire a single bullet to keep her.

She's not worth the time or trouble.

 

[Matt]

Oh snap! Civil War-OFF!

No, I'm serious. I want to hear his thoughts on this.

 

[Matt]

I don't think Canadians are willing to go to war to keep Quebec. I know for sure that I ain't willing to fire a single bullet to keep her.

She's not worth the time or trouble.

You didn't answer the question.

 

[War Lord]

You didn't answer the question.

Canada doesn't have the right to keep a province if it really wants out. This is evidenced by the fact that Quebec was even allowed to have a referendum in 1995 to decide if it wanted to stay or not, not to mention that the Prime minister has given Quebec the symbolic promise of making it a nation within a nation, though that won't stay symbolic for long.

 

[Matt]

Canada doesn't have the right to keep a province if it really wants out. This is evidenced by the fact that Quebec was even allowed to have a referendum in 1995 to decide if it wanted to stay or not, not to mention that the Prime minister has given Quebec the symbolic promise of making it a nation within a nation, though that won't stay symbolic for long.

Again, you didn't answer the question. I'm not asking about Canada.

 

[Darthphere]

Jonty, do a barrel roll!

 

[JLBats]

Christ on a stick, Jonty, stop trying to answer the subtext you see and just answer his question about the South.

 

[War Lord]

Again, you didn't answer the question. I'm not asking about Canada.

As far as I know, America was set up to be indivisible. So in light of that, the US did have the right to keep the south.

However, that's irrelevant to Canada's situation.

 

[Matt]

As far as I know, America was set up to be indivisible. So in light of that, the US did have the right to keep the south.

However, that's irrelevant to Canada's situation.

Well you know wrong then. Interesting that you support America using war to keep a state, but Quebec has the right to be its own nation. You truly are the definition of hypocrisy.

 

[War Lord]

Well you know wrong then. Interesting that you support America using war to keep a state, but Quebec has the right to be its own nation. You truly are the definition of hypocrisy.

I said as far as I knew, the US was indivisible. If I was wrong, than I was wrong. A lack of knowledge is hardly evidence of hypocrisy. Nice try though.

I knew what you were getting at, which is why I addressed this point before you brought it up. Canada has been set up from the beginning as a nation that can be subdivided. If they can vote themselves into confederation, like Newfoundland did, they can also vote themselves out.

Canadians aren't willing to go to war to keep their nation together and Quebec, the least of all, is hardly worth the bullets that would have to be fired. That's why I'm more than happy to see her off as long as she takes her fair share of the debt, which currently stands at around 528 billion.

 

[redmarvel]

And ultimately, you have no idea whether the people of Quebec want out, because everytime they have a referendum on the issue, the Stay in Canada side ultimately wins, regardless of how close the margins are.

Actually I suspect most people living in the province of Quebec would prefer to remain "Canadian". They just enjoy the publicity their province gets whenever this issue comes up. If the Bloc did not stand for "separation" then they would have no platform whatsoever.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

I'm moving to canada soon, very soon.

 

[The Overlord]

Not likely. Soon enough, we'll all be Americans.

I find it ironic that you criticize Americans for not being patriotic enough, yet you have no patriotic pride as a Canadian.

 

[Addendum]

If I was canadian, I might care

 

[JLBats]

I'm moving to canada soon, very soon.

Wait until Jonty has been gone awhile, at least until the smell clears out.

 

[War Lord]

I find it ironic that you criticize Americans for not being patriotic enough, yet you have no patriotic pride as a Canadian.

Why would I be patriotic about a country with so many self-destructive tendencies?

I'm not a masochist like yourself.